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cakesmith handyman posted:Dunking on a shark with a loving circular saw for a jaw, let's see your evolutionary speciality then bud. aye i got yer evolutionary speciality RIGHT HERE BUDDY *gestures rudely to highly sophisticated internal temperature regulation systems and over developed pattern recognition*
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Winning on a long solo breakaway or small group is like the craziest way to win in road cycling. It almost never happens, they always get caught
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EoinCannon posted:Winning on a long solo breakaway or small group is like the craziest way to win in road cycling. It almost never happens, they always get caught And the mad lass loving did it. She did probably have some help from drafting off the motorcade, but idk how far ahead they keep. They dutchies are mad AF because cycling is Serious Business™ in the Netherlands. Well, at least disappointed they didn't win. Cycling teams are horse poo poo, cus at a bare minimum, with radios, someone can scout multiple factors for you and give you the answers for when to push or hold off. I prefer to see the top individual in individual sports whenever possible; I find any "team" racing ends up being a contest of who has the most money and eyes on the race. And she researched her own body to get there. Like literally She loving Dr Manhattaned her body to perfection and left the mortal plane of cyclists.
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Jul 28, 2021 10:36
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Wasabi the J posted:And the mad lass loving did it. She did probably have some help from drafting off the motorcade, but idk how far ahead they keep. Team road cycling is amazing but it is not a Time Trial. Another great thing about Anna's win is she did it with a normal bike that you can buy from a bike shop.
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Jul 28, 2021 10:45
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Aramoro posted:Team road cycling is amazing but it is not a Time Trial. That reminds me of the Australian cycling team that won gold in a previous Olympics, (I think 94? or possibly earlier), that did it with normal racing bikes against a team, (I think it was either America or England), that had fancy spokeless wheels and weirdo aerodynamic helmets and stuff. Because the Australian Olympic Committee didn't put any cash into the cyclists budget for those sorts of things at the time. Of course now, the Aussies look like clowns in their colourful lycra and silly helmets and carbon fiber wind tunnel tested bikes that cost more than an ordinary person earns in a month.
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Jul 28, 2021 11:10
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:No trainer no coach, wasn’t even considered a contender and won gold Aramoro posted:Another great thing about Anna's win is she did it with a normal bike that you can buy from a bike shop. This lady is amazing. What an achievement.
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Jul 28, 2021 11:27
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Wasabi the J posted:And the mad lass loving did it. She did probably have some help from drafting off the motorcade, but idk how far ahead they keep. Yeah cycling is big here in Denmark too. the danish cyclist was pretty mad at the bigger nations for reasons I don't know enough about cycling to understand (something about the peloton being lazy?), but she seemed ok with the winner
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I haven't seen anything about the Dutch being mad at all that she won? All I've seen is a bit of disappointment that they got second place and irritation about the lack of communication tools or something? Other than that there's just a bit of schadefreude about the second place winner thinking she won as she got over finish line and a lot of recognition of the winner's achievement.
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Jul 28, 2021 12:43
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Taeke posted:I haven't seen anything about the Dutch being mad at all that she won? All I've seen is a bit of disappointment that they got second place and irritation about the lack of communication tools or something? Other than that there's just a bit of schadefreude about the second place winner thinking she won as she got over finish line and a lot of recognition of the winner's achievement. Yeah the Dutch aren't that salty, just upset at themselves. To take nothing away from Anna's achievement the Dutch really messed up and should have been aware she was there and caught her when they could have.
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Jul 28, 2021 12:46
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EoinCannon posted:Winning on a long solo breakaway or small group is like the craziest way to win in road cycling. It almost never happens, they always get caught I rarely watch road cycling, but the few times I have the breakaway rider won. I just did some reading on it and it appears there are certain races and circumstances where breakaways have a better shot and winning, but apparently not 'often', as you say. This race seemed to have a few of those circumstances. Even after reading about I still have the impression that road cycling is terminally boring. The race is decided in the first 5 km, why ride the remaining 130 km? This latest Olympic race only confirmed that (allegedly mistaken) belief. I still don't buy the radio thing. No one noticed that there was a breakaway group in the beginning or they thought they had pulled it back or something? It is your job to ride a bike and come in first, how do you lose track of who is in front of you? Boot and Rally has a new favorite as of 15:31 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Jul 28, 2021 15:28
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Boot and Rally posted:I rarely watch road cycling, but the few times I have the breakaway rider won. I just did some reading on it and it appears there are certain races and circumstances where breakaways have a better shot and winning, but apparently not 'often', as you say. This race seemed to have a few of those circumstances. Its probably pretty hard to focus while you're staring a few feet in front of you and riding the edge of exhaustion for hours. Especially if your used to having a crew feeding you info and telling you what to do.
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-Zydeco- posted:Its probably pretty hard to focus while you're staring a few feet in front of you and riding the edge of exhaustion for hours. Especially if your used to having a crew feeding you info and telling you what to do. Many others were able to keep track. At one point Van Vlueten even tried to catch the lead and didn't manage it. It sounds to me like they got beaten by someone actually trying to win it and are blaming radios.
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Jul 28, 2021 19:30
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A bad carpenter gets their rear end whooped by a math nerd with $200 CCM lol get rekt
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BrigadierSensible posted:
This made me chuckle, bikes can go into the 5 figures so you're absolutely correct, but understimating the cost of a cutting edge bike quite a bit  Which makes her win even better
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Jul 28, 2021 22:03
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Boot and Rally posted:Many others were able to keep track. At one point Van Vlueten even tried to catch the lead and didn't manage it. It sounds to me like they got beaten by someone actually trying to win it and are blaming radios. That's totally possible, but Van Vleuten's reaction as she crossed the finish line certainly made it look as though she had no idea she hadn't won. So they might be blaming radios after the fact, but radios or no radios, she certainly didn't know there was a rider ahead. From the limited amount I've read, the peloton caught up to the breakaway group, so I think the problem is simply that Van Vleuten didn't keep track of how many people were in the breakaway pack.
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Every interview is like 'sure that other rider won, but had our massive sponsorship and funding infrastructure and entire team of world-class thoroughbred athletic elites been told to put in maximum effort we would have done so. But we didn't and it's not our fault it's only the Olympics who cares gg to the rando I guess' like they weren't smoked
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Jul 29, 2021 00:23
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I'm kind of surprised they don't have anyone on the sidelines to use hand signals when they don't have radios.
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Jul 29, 2021 01:05
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There's motorbikes getting around that are supposed to hold up boards with the time gaps on them I'm not sure how they are organised in the olympics or how that changes over the course of the race
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Jul 29, 2021 01:37
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It seems that the big reason she won is that the rest of the pack just forgot she existed. She hasn't raced on a team in 4 years and was considered the equivalent of a random person off the street by Olympic standards, so the main group let the initial breakaway pack gain a lead like usual before speeding up to overtake them. Nobody noticed that the pack was one short and thus made no attempt to catch her, causing her to gain such a huge lead that she was well out of sight and off the track by the time second place arrived.
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Jul 29, 2021 03:37
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Sounds like more excuses to me
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Jul 29, 2021 05:23
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Milo and POTUS posted:Sounds like more excuses to me Yeah, as a layman I read stuff like "causing her to gain such a huge lead that she was well out of sight and off the track by the time second place arrived" and think well, apparently she rode her bike better than the others. There might be more technical stuff to that particular version of competition, but that is utterly uninteresting for me as a spectator. If it is within the rules, the others should suck it up and learn from it.
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Agreed. But I can understand not pushing that little bit extra once you think you're in the lead, and thinking that your main competitor is right beside you and that if you push, they'll push too. So you save your strength for the final sprint, rather than putting more into the long-distance catch up. It still comes down to the fact that the winner rode faster than everyone else, though.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Sounds like more excuses to me Yeah that all feels like explanations for why they don’t have a gold medal and she does. As an Olympic level cyclist you’d think that you would be able to keep track of who is in front of you but I’m not an Olympic level cyclist so 
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Jul 29, 2021 13:28
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I can guarantee that although her bike was off the shelf/from a bike shop it still "cost more than the average person makes in a month".
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Lady Disdain posted:That's totally possible, but Van Vleuten's reaction as she crossed the finish line certainly made it look as though she had no idea she hadn't won. So they might be blaming radios after the fact, but radios or no radios, she certainly didn't know there was a rider ahead. That is what I am saying. "If we had known someone was up there we would have tried harder" is just an excuse. It is the Olympics, they probably should have tried harder anyway.
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Roblo posted:I can guarantee that although her bike was off the shelf/from a bike shop it still "cost more than the average person makes in a month". I looked it up and the basic off the shelf version cost £3200 and there's some minor to moderate customization and technical doodads Still not what I would assume someone riding in the Olympics would use, let alone a gold medallist
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buying the best bike is cheating anyway. bikes should be outlawed in cycling because they can give an unfair advantage to the wealthy
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Boot and Rally posted:That is what I am saying. "If we had known someone was up there we would have tried harder" is just an excuse. It is the Olympics, they probably should have tried harder anyway. They were doing the standard method of racing that gets taught. Staying in a large group provides a huge aerodynamic benefit so you don't strain your muscles as much, so you stick together in a large pack for most of the race and don't try to break away to get the lead until closer to the end. It's typical for a few riders to try and get a huge lead at the very beginning, only to tire out and have the rest of the pack catch up and absorb them a while later. Their method of racing was picture perfect except for where they forgot that there was another racer by the time they grabbed the stragglers.
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chitoryu12 posted:They were doing the standard method of racing that gets taught. Staying in a large group provides a huge aerodynamic benefit so you don't strain your muscles as much, so you stick together in a large pack for most of the race and don't try to break away to get the lead until closer to the end. It's typical for a few riders to try and get a huge lead at the very beginning, only to tire out and have the rest of the pack catch up and absorb them a while later. Their method of racing was picture perfect except for where they forgot that there was another racer by the time they grabbed the stragglers. I think a factor in them forgetting there was another rider out ahead was their reliance on radio in their pro teams meaning they don't usually have to keep track of that sort of thing. Doesn't make the winning ride any less amazing imo. Best rider on the day won
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It would have worked if it wasn’t for someone who was trying to win
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I don’t understand how the Yankees gave up more for an older rental than they did for a guy under control.
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Hackers film 1995 posted:buying the best bike is cheating anyway. bikes should be outlawed in cycling because they can give an unfair advantage to the wealthy Do the teacher thing of “I hope you brought enough for the class”. Your whizbang bike is allowed in competition if and only if you make it available to all qualified competitors.
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EoinCannon posted:I think a factor in them forgetting there was another rider out ahead was their reliance on radio in their pro teams meaning they don't usually have to keep track of that sort of thing. Doesn't make the winning ride any less amazing imo. Best rider on the day won I'm a huge fan of anyone beating the established elite athletes by not following their rules. Like Cliff Young winning a 544 mile ultramarathon in 1983 at the age of 61: quote:Young arrived to compete in overalls and work boots, without his dentures (later saying that they rattled when he ran). He ran at a slow and loping pace and trailed the pack by a large margin at the end of the first day. While the other competitors stopped to sleep for six hours, Young kept running. He ran continuously for five days, taking the lead during the first night and eventually winning by 10 hours. He was a total legend.
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Platystemon posted:Do the teacher thing of “I hope you brought enough for the class”. Japanese Keiren racing is great, all the bikes are the same model steel frame, competitors wear pads, and the strongest riders get bullied by everyone else.
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Phy posted:I looked it up and the basic off the shelf version cost £3200 and there's some minor to moderate customization and technical doodads My dad, who tends to be fairly knowledgeable when it comes to cycling, tells me that the most expensive bike in the Tour de France this year cost 20,000 (I believe that's Australian dollars, which would be ~£10,500).
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RCarr posted:I don’t understand how the Yankees gave up more for an older rental than they did for a guy under control. Okay, what
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Milo and POTUS posted:Okay, what It just doesn’t make sense that the Yankees gave up more for an older rental than they did for a guy under control.
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Rizzo is older than Gallo and he’s a free agent next year. Gallo is younger and still in arbitration. Yet the Yankees gave up more for Rizzo. Edit: I realize now this isn’t the MLB thread. RCarr has a new favorite as of 04:53 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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RCarr posted:Rizzo is older than Gallo and he’s a free agent next year. Gallo is younger and still in arbitration. Yet the Yankees gave up more for Rizzo.  
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Touché salesman. Touché.
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