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Babysitter Super Sleuth fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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Jul 29, 2021 22:19
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did you post that in the wrong thread
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Jul 29, 2021 22:22
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Alaois posted:did you post that in the wrong thread Apparently, thought I had the poop culture thread open when I posted that but I guess not
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Jul 29, 2021 22:25
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Mr Phillby posted:There was deffo a misogynist backlash agsinst Ghostbusters 2016 but its also fair to say that Sony leant into it in order to create a narrative that watching their mediocre comedy movie was some act of Woke rebellion. . I'm just pushing back on this trash narrative RLM floated. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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Jul 29, 2021 23:07
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How could they hire women after the movie was already produced.
Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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Jul 29, 2021 23:23
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The 7th Guest posted:does channel 5 count as an online creator, because Andrew Callaghan's video on that patriot conference was loving insane. it's also highly upsetting (considering the subject), so I dunno about linking it. but some of the conspiracies man I'm going to embed it, bitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKOLwt8pwo
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Jul 29, 2021 23:30
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I mean I don’t think it’s especially unlikely that the producers looked at the dailies/test screenings, realized the movie was gonna be kind of poo poo, and decided to amp up the existing culture war brush fires via twitter sockpuppetry to try and maybe get some more money back by riling up the consumption-as-activism crowd, but it’s kind of ridiculous to think that was the plan from the start
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Jul 29, 2021 23:31
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bushisms.txt posted:So the movie that started the woke rebellion was some how a strategy already? You didn't answer my question, how did Sony lean in? Hire women? Push back at blatant racism directed at a cast member? The whole empty politics thing where going to see a movie is a victory for feminism and a strike back against the online nerds of the right was already a construction of outlets like buzzfeed that hype pop culture bullshit for a living. I don’t think the studio was or is particularly aware of that niche phenomenon. Maybe there were trailers made by people who were trying to harness that culture-war stuff, but it can’t be top-down or a choice by anyone running the studio.
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Jul 29, 2021 23:37
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:I'm going to embed it, bitch channel 5 whips rear end imo
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Jul 29, 2021 23:40
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I mean I don’t think it’s especially unlikely that the producers looked at the dailies/test screenings, realized the movie was gonna be kind of poo poo, and decided to amp up the existing culture war brush fires The cast makeup was literally the same, save gender, just a bunch of comedy gently caress-ups trying to make a movie and it became political around them not because of them. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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Jul 29, 2021 23:45
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I mean I don’t think it’s especially unlikely that the producers looked at the dailies/test screenings, realized the movie was gonna be kind of poo poo, and decided to amp up the existing culture war brush fires via twitter sockpuppetry to try and maybe get some more money back by riling up the consumption-as-activism crowd, but it’s kind of ridiculous to think that was the plan from the start Nobody is saying that in this thread though? Its all part of the marketing strategy, and doesn't really have much to do with the production of a film.
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Jul 29, 2021 23:46
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I don't think the culture war and misogyny poo poo played into production or Sony's marketing, but there absolutely was a subset of twitter and pop news outlet dipshits pushing a narrative that the way to own the misogynists was to buy as many Ghost Busters 2016 funcopops as possible and fill your feed with them, which lol.
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Jul 29, 2021 23:49
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fun hater posted:channel 5 whips rear end imo He's cool and went on Hasan Piker and Will Neff's podcast (other online creators + reviewers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTTQX3Do2yY
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Jul 29, 2021 23:49
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RareAcumen posted:Nah, you should've left it up and reminded everyone that those are the same chuckleheads that made that 12 hour long video about Jenny Nicholson's Joker video lmao One of their more recent grand slams was a podcast series screamcrying about Loki for some reason where Part 1 alone was double the length of the entire first season of the show's runtime. You could watch Loki once and part 1 of New He-Man twice in that same time period.
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Jul 30, 2021 01:21
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Groovelord Neato posted:It's incredible how people lumped him in with the misogynist psychos when he said "I don't think I can give it a fair shake because I don't think anything could live up to the original". * Small town where nothing ever happens, strange girl who doesn't fit in, stressed out single mom, helpful science teacher guy, Finn Wolfhard
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Jul 30, 2021 01:30
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Fil5000 posted:I think people assumed because he released a video titled "No Review. I refuse" that he was taking some sort of chuddy stance and didn't look beyond the clickbaity title. And I can only assume he titled it that for engagement purposes (given he's been doing this poo poo longer than anyone), so I guess it mostly did the job. Whenever this gets brought up, I always think about how Devin Faraci lambasted him as misogynist, and then like a month later, it turned out Farci had sexually assaulted a woman. Mr Phillby posted:The chuds are part of the whole marketing apperatus now. I don't think they made a bad He man show on purpose (they made a he man show that just happens naturally) but I bet if it was made even 5 years ago 'we'll kill off He Man in the first episode and have Teela be the main character' would have been stamped out by the studio instantly. Nowadays they can see the incredibly predictable shitstorm ready to drive engagement up up up into the stratosphere! People are already prediciting that's what they're doing with the new Predator movie in production, based on what's been announced: https://twitter.com/alexdnz/status/1420489659080130562
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Jul 30, 2021 01:38
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Predator’s about on-par with Terminator in its good/bomb ratio. I don’t see why they’d start coming up with alibis now, 31 years after the last good one. Did anyone ever blame the 4 terrible terminator sequels on feminism?
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Jul 30, 2021 01:45
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Max Wilco posted:Whenever this gets brought up, I always think about how Devin Faraci lambasted him as misogynist, and then like a month later, it turned out Farci had sexually assaulted a woman. "Might be PG-13" Just loving stop, if you're gonna make a movie about the Predator, Alien, Blade, Spawn, any spread of violent monster movie type IPs they've tried or thought of trying it with, stop trying to clip them down a rating to attempt to sell more tickets, while if anything making less people want to see a neutered entry in doing so.
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Jul 30, 2021 01:51
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Predator’s about on-par with Terminator in its good/bomb ratio. I don’t see why they’d start coming up with alibis now, 31 years after the last good one. Genesys came out just early enough that it wasn't swept up in QAnon, But For Movies's bullshit impeller, but Dark Fate certainly was 
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Jul 30, 2021 01:52
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Max Wilco posted:People are already prediciting that's what they're doing with the new Predator movie in production, based on what's been announced: edit: this is also why people tend to get defensive of female and minority leds movies, because if it flops even just for being bad the robots that run our society will blame the woman or minority before anything else. As they still see minorities as just another marketable feature, not as people. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Jul 30, 2021 01:55
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An industry of Misters Bibs
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Jul 30, 2021 02:00
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The part that I'm amused by is that we've already had a PG-13 Predator film with a female lead... That film wasn't good, but I don't think it was because of some kind of Hollywood feminist false flag operation or whatever the gently caress the original Tweet was talking about?
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Jul 30, 2021 02:01
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NorgLyle posted:Related but having now watched the newest Ghostbusters: Afterlife trailer I am completely confused as to why I (or anybody) is supposed to be excited to see this movie. It... doesn't appear to be a comedy? Or at least they didn't put any jokes or humor in the trailer and 'hey let's literally do Stranger Things* again, only as a movie!' isn't exactly lighting my world on fire. I bet it's going to be worse than 2016 but it'll be bad for different reasons. And yeah not having a single joke in your comedy series trailer is insane. Antifa Turkeesian posted:Predator’s about on-par with Terminator in its good/bomb ratio. I don’t see why they’d start coming up with alibis now, 31 years after the last good one. Numerically they're equal but Terminator 2 is way better than Predator 2. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Jul 30, 2021 02:07
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Groovelord Neato posted:I bet it's going to be worse than 2016 but it'll bad for different reasons. I think the fact that they couldn't replicate the original Ghostbusters charm or success in 1989 with the same cast and director is a pretty good sign that the well ran dry on this franchise long ago. The intense desire for more Ghostbusters (outside of studio execs wanting to repeat the same merchandising success as the original) strikes me as especially odd because, while the original movie was very entertaining, I never really got the sense that the world they were building had a bunch more stories in it just waiting to be told.
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Jul 30, 2021 02:14
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the best way they continued ghostbusters was with the cartoons, like with MIB the format was ideal for expanding on an established setting.
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Jul 30, 2021 02:18
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KingKalamari posted:The part that I'm amused by is that we've already had a PG-13 Predator film with a female lead... chuds aren't generally all that media-literate or versed in media history, nor are they really interested in anything but pushing their lovely narratives also i've always had a soft spot for the first AvP movie. it's dumb, sure, but i always enjoyed it - 12-year-old me thought it was the coolest thing ever when it came out, and it aged remarkably well compared to all the other stuff 12-year-old me found cool
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Jul 30, 2021 02:43
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Mr Phillby posted:The chuds are part of the whole marketing apperatus now. I don't think they made a bad He man show on purpose (they made a he man show that just happens naturally) but I bet if it was made even 5 years ago 'we'll kill off He Man in the first episode and have Teela be the main character' would have been stamped out by the studio instantly. Nowadays they can see the incredibly predictable shitstorm ready to drive engagement up up up into the stratosphere! Do you have any evidence that Kevin Smith and the studio are somehow baiting chuds to get away with making a bad show, or at least deflecting blame for making a bad show? I ask because this thread seems to be assuming it's terrible and drawing conclusions based on that, but all the reviews I've read and the thread in TV IV seem varying degrees of positive? This clearly isn't a situation where no one liked it. I haven't seen the show myself to be fair, but it seems pretty bad faith to accuse the new He-Man show of that when (as far as I know) they probably didn't even realise it would be part of culture war nonsense. I mean, people are mad that it has lesbians, when it doesn't even have lesbians!
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Jul 30, 2021 02:59
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the ghostbusters thing is so weird because 2016 and now this new one both seem to be trying to, like, tell some sort of emotional story, I guess because it has women and hollywood won't let women just make a stupid comedy, but it's so weird to do to loving ghostbusters of all movies. Like, the new trailer was so truly bizarre and out of tone I genuinely thought it was a joke, it truly felt like a different movie they just shoved a ghost trap into
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Jul 30, 2021 03:07
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Melusine posted:Do you have any evidence that Kevin Smith and the studio are somehow baiting chuds to get away with making a bad show, or at least deflecting blame for making a bad show? I ask because this thread seems to be assuming it's terrible and drawing conclusions based on that, but all the reviews I've read and the thread in TV IV seem varying degrees of positive? This clearly isn't a situation where no one liked it. I don't think they intentionally make a bad product but I think the extremely cynical use of tokenized 'representation' for marketing purposes is 100% used as a failsafe 'okay if this doesn't do well we can maybe imply the ONLY reason you'd dislike it is because you were mad a lady was in the show'. I think the whole...woke-washing? Is that a term? Whatever you call the general umbrella the assorted 'washing's fall under thing is a very cynical move 9 times out of 10 that cynicism means it's more a tool than a genuine thing.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:10
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KingKalamari posted:The part that I'm amused by is that we've already had a PG-13 Predator film with a female lead... They don't care, they never have cared, and they never will care. They just want to be able to feel victimized and outraged anytime new media comes out that does not meet their incredibly narrow ideal of straight white male power fantasies.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:12
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Melusine posted:Do you have any evidence that Kevin Smith and the studio are somehow baiting chuds to get away with making a bad show, or at least deflecting blame for making a bad show? I ask because this thread seems to be assuming it's terrible and drawing conclusions based on that, but all the reviews I've read and the thread in TV IV seem varying degrees of positive? This clearly isn't a situation where no one liked it. In regards to the new Masters of the Universe show (He-Man isn't even in the title) what we've got is literally a half of the produced season so far and He-Man does die in the first episode (along with Skeletor) but his presence is there throughout the whole thing. Much of the show is his close family and friends reacting to learning that Adam was He-Man and lying to them the whole time and what the villains will do now that Skeletor is gone and most magic with him. Smith was certainly going for a "darkness before the dawn thing with it since He-Man and Skeletor are back in the last episode cliffhanger and will presumably take the spotlight in the second half. The show is certainly not perfect but most of the narrative is chuds being mad that first She-ra dared to be for girls and now they don't have a "He-Man" series that is anti-woke like they thought it would be.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:17
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... like what did they imagine that He-Man was gonna turn to camera and say "women get back in the kitchen, look up black crime statistics" and morph into a Pepe or some poo poo. Honestly my main complaint with the show was that Hamil was just doing his increasingly worn down Joker voice for Skeletor when they could have gotten someone who can do a proper Skeletor impression.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:30
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oooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo gently caress me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXljeaktnDA Games Workshop just cancelled If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device through it's new fanart zero-tolerance policy. gently caress. Grouchio fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Jul 30, 2021 03:32
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Stupid kneejerk reaction. Obviously sucks he feels unsafe but goddamn dude even if your stuff didn't fall under parody they're not gonna waste the money and PR hit to take down something like that. Warhammer fanbase has driven itself into a hysteria shining flashlights under their chins and going oooooooooooo GW's coming for your cartoons oooooooooooooo. Since when has "don't tie your entire business into an IP you don't own" become bad advice, just change your Patreon to "x is creating animations" rather than "x is creating Warhammer animations" and you'd be safe.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:36
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Wait, were there people who thought Kevin Smith of all people would make something Anti-Woke? Also, isn't there still going to be a He-man based off the Modern She-Ra?
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Jul 30, 2021 03:39
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Groovelord Neato posted:I bet it's going to be worse than 2016 but it'll be bad for different reasons. And yeah not having a single joke in your comedy series trailer is insane. I think it owns, every genre should do this so trailers stop spoiling the movie.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:40
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Does the FCC have oversight over Youtube?
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Jul 30, 2021 03:46
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SteelMentor posted:Stupid kneejerk reaction.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:53
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Between chatting with an IP lawyer about this stuff and that GW has been going around offering fan creators jobs left and right I'm pretty confident they're not about to nuke someone's channel from orbit. Apparently they dinged the patreons of the artists who turned down the offer but that's standard IP protection fare and again, fixed by just changing your header to generic "animation".
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Jul 30, 2021 03:56
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sexpig by night posted:the ghostbusters thing is so weird because 2016 and now this new one both seem to be trying to, like, tell some sort of emotional story, I guess because it has women and hollywood won't let women just make a stupid comedy, but it's so weird to do to loving ghostbusters of all movies. Like, the new trailer was so truly bizarre and out of tone I genuinely thought it was a joke, it truly felt like a different movie they just shoved a ghost trap into Some guy saw that Stranger Things is (was) hot for a while, realized they have the movie rights to the biggest paranormal action horror franchise of the 80s and immediately started figuring out how to reel one of the kids in to their cash-in movie.
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