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TheWorldsaStage posted:I cant wait to see KatHan's AgHaw again My fam has been watching Parks and Rec and she's on there in season 4 as a foil to the main characters. I really enjoy her nasty energy.
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Aug 1, 2021 22:20
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I'm sorry to drag this out but holy poo poo!Klams posted:But the mega-fuckery part, is that Disney are sort of doing the same thing. In as much as, they are beholden to their shareholders to make profits, they have an "ethical" obligation to pump those numbers. So when someone sees that there's an opportunity to chisel a bunch of money, and that it's possible within their rights to do so, they equally, MUST do so, as a matter of principle. Obviously, you weigh up 'good faith' that you might lose as a result of doing it, as a kind of non-tangible asset, and put some arbitrary worth on it, and see if losing it would be worth more or less. Both parties agreed upon, and set the terms for, how they would profit from this project that they both worked on. If Disney doesn't like those terms then they can and should renegotiate with Johansson. What they should not do is to unilaterally decide that this agreement just doesn't apply anymore because it's no longer convenient for them. That's...that's literally just them breaching a contract that they themselves agreed on. That's how you do business if you're a lying scumbag that can't be trusted not to screw over people you work with. There's no economic obligation to do that, much less an ethical one! Like yeah, sure, they're in the business of making the most money they can at any given moment, and y'know how else they can make money? If they just don't friggin' pay their actors! And yet that's not something they should do! "Oh won't someone please think of their ethical obligation to the shareholders" What? Really, what? The lengths that people have been going to in order to "both-sides!" this thing is unsane. It's really not that complicated, y'all. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Aug 1, 2021 |
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Aug 1, 2021 23:06
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Anything Disney ever does in this arena is by definition never ethical, hope that helps!
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Aug 1, 2021 23:22
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Another Bill posted:My fam has been watching Parks and Rec and she's on there in season 4 as a foil to the main characters. I really enjoy her nasty energy. I was introduced to her on Crossing Jordan many, many years ago where she played an absolute sweetheart. It's a joy seeing her have so much fun in a role. I can't wait to see her in Knives Out 2, God she better be the killer and have a hammy af monologue.
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!Klams posted:But the mega-fuckery part, is that Disney are sort of doing the same thing. In as much as, they are beholden to their shareholders to make profits, they have an "ethical" obligation to pump those numbers. So when someone sees that there's an opportunity to chisel a bunch of money, and that it's possible within their rights to do so, they equally, MUST do so, as a matter of principle. Obviously, you weigh up 'good faith' that you might lose as a result of doing it, as a kind of non-tangible asset, and put some arbitrary worth on it, and see if losing it would be worth more or less. The Capitalist "principle" on display here is, at best, "Penny wise and Pound foolish." At worst it's "Trump: The Fart of the Deal." One reason that "billionaire" Donald Trump is up to his eyeballs in debt and sinking fast is that most serious business-people won't deal with him any more because they know he either can't or won't hold up his end of any bargain they make with him. If this Scarlett Johansson situation comes to trial, the best outcome for Disney would be a loss. If they lose and pay her what she's owed (plus some punitive damages) they can say with maybe a little credibility. "Oops, our bad. We've learned our lesson and it'll never happen again." If they win they get to keep the "pennies" that would have gone to Johansson. And they'll need them. Because their movie budgets will skyrocket. Because major talent (not just actors/actresses but directors/writers/etc.) will demand to be paid in full up front. Because they now know that Disney cannot be trusted to uphold its part of the bargain when it comes to a "piece of the back end." And those "back-end" deals are important to lowering production costs. A movie that pays Scarlett Johansson $15-20 million plus a percentage of the take/box office instead of paying her $50 million up front can spend that "extra" $30-35 million on FX or marketing or other stuff to get the movie to make more money. Even "better," talent with a piece of the take is effectively invested in the project. The better the project does, the better they do. So they have a big motivation to do their best to make the project succeed instead of "phoning it in." Talent paid up front? quote:Michael Caine on Jaws: The Revenge : I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific. Everyone fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 2, 2021 |
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Aug 2, 2021 00:42
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In fairness to Michael Caine, that movie's badness has essentially nothing to do with him. A quick Google search reveals the following: He was paid 1.5 million for about a week on set. The house is indeed terrific. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Aug 2, 2021 |
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Aug 2, 2021 01:00
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A.o.D. posted:In fairness to Michael Caine, that movie's badness has essentially nothing to do with him. Oh, absolutely. If anything he had an effect similar to but lesser than what Samuel L. Jackson did for Deep Blue Sea in terms of making on otherwise mediocre/crappy movie a little more watchable. I just posted the quote because I thought it was an eloquent illustration of "I don't give a gently caress about this movie because I already got paid."
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Aug 2, 2021 01:13
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Micheal Keaton only had 17 minutes of screentime in Beetlejuice.
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Aug 2, 2021 01:24
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Don’t you dare besmirch the classic deep blue sea.
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Invalid Validation posted:Don’t you dare besmirch the classic deep blue sea. I'm not, but let's face it. The presence (and sudden absence) of Samuel L. Jackson is the main reason that movie is a classic.
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Aug 2, 2021 01:45
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gently caress that, it's a legitimately good little action horror flick. I will throw hands over Deep Blue Sea any day.
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Aug 2, 2021 01:46
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My fav part of deep blue sea is ll cool j surviving to make a rap video of becoming a shark furry hybrid
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Aug 2, 2021 01:50
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McPhearson posted:Micheal Keaton only had 17 minutes of screentime in Beetlejuice. Yeah, but I bet he had to spend hours in the makeup chair every day of filming.
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Aug 2, 2021 01:55
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I was picturing The Big Blue in my mind and was really confused about all this shark talk
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Aug 2, 2021 02:31
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A.o.D. posted:Yeah, but I bet he had to spend hours in the makeup chair every day of filming. I'd be ok with Michael Keaton being double cast as Mephisto.
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Aug 2, 2021 03:50
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Diabetic posted:I'd be ok with Michael Keaton being double cast as Mephisto. Michael Keaton as Mephisto as Beetlejuice who wants to wed Elizabeth Olsen as Wanda Maximoff as Lydia Deets (reading the Dark Magic book made Wanda go super-duper Goth for reasons).
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Everyone posted:Oh, absolutely. If anything he had an effect similar to but lesser than what Samuel L. Jackson did for Deep Blue Sea in terms of making on otherwise mediocre/crappy movie a little more watchable. That's not really it though because Michael Caine is in that category of film actors (significantly represented by brits) who were there to work and would take any cheque if they had space in their schedule and you got a professional performance from them no matter what.
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Aug 2, 2021 10:42
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Frankenstyle posted:Disney needs to start shoveling more of their hidden Nazi gold into making more shows, stat. This thread gets too weird in the lull between shows. It does and I'm sorry. FWIW I assumed Dr Nutt was being a dick and this really turns out to have not been the case. So, that's on me. I'm super excited about What If? The art style looks pretty slick. Are there good comic runs worth reading in this version of the universe? I know I can google it but I want to avoid spoilers and when I've looked for other comic books the information is usually like "an amazing series in which THIS and THAT and then THAT happens - you should totally read this thing". Which I'd like to avoid.
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Aug 2, 2021 10:50
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ClydeFrog posted:It does and I'm sorry. FWIW I assumed Dr Nutt was being a dick and this really turns out to have not been the case. So, that's on me. Just read them. What if has no continuity or impact on the canon of the comic books. They're just explorations of various ideas. Some are lots of fun, some explore neat ideas, some are duds. It's like an ideas workshop where writers are given free reins.
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And (from what we've seen) the show is adapting the concept in spirit rather than in specific detail.
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Aug 2, 2021 11:10
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Almost all issues of What If is a new story, just pick the issue that sound cool. I can remember liking What If Rogue got the power of Thor.
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Aug 2, 2021 11:26
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The most successful what if? May be marvel zombies, I think? It was ramp up after ramp up of ridiculous premises (at one point some of them eat galactus and become space zombies that travel across galaxies to eat people), got a bunch of spin offs using cult fav characters like Howard the duck and machine man, and when interest waned it ended with a whimper utilizing very comic book power abuse (the sandman - the villain in spider man who turns to sand - is revealed to be a secret weapon hidden in a jar and upon release he killed the space zombies because the sand shreds their flesh to nano pieces). It was a very strange series!
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Aug 2, 2021 11:28
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Alchenar posted:That's not really it though because Michael Caine is in that category of film actors (significantly represented by brits) who were there to work and would take any cheque if they had space in their schedule and you got a professional performance from them no matter what. Especially if it's being filmed somewhere nice. The other apocryphal story about Caine and Jaws: The Revenge is that he agreed to do it because he loved the script - the first line was "EXT: THE BAHAMAS"
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Aug 2, 2021 11:51
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If you’re interested in What If? but also want something with core characters and continuity you might also like Exiles which is essentially Marvel’s Sliders, following a ragtag group of characters from the multiverse going to various realities issue to issue.
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Nikumatic posted:If you’re interested in What If? but also want something with core characters and continuity you might also like Exiles which is essentially Marvel’s Sliders, following a ragtag group of characters from the multiverse going to various realities issue to issue. I'm going to second this recommendation. Exiles was a great series.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:The most successful what if? May be marvel zombies, I think? It was ramp up after ramp up of ridiculous premises (at one point some of them eat galactus and become space zombies that travel across galaxies to eat people), got a bunch of spin offs using cult fav characters like Howard the duck and machine man, and when interest waned it ended with a whimper utilizing very comic book power abuse (the sandman - the villain in spider man who turns to sand - is revealed to be a secret weapon hidden in a jar and upon release he killed the space zombies because the sand shreds their flesh to nano pieces). It was a very strange series! A close 2nd is What If? #105 that introduced Spider-Girl, which was the springboard for an entire imprint and I think to this day the only female-led solo series that made it to 100 consecutive issues at Marvel.
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!Klams posted:
I know you put ethical in quotes but even so there's a huge difference between your ethical obligations as a person working for or running a division of a company, and the legal obligations of the corporate entity itself to its shareholders, and most people in business at high levels keep those to things very very separate. And although it is true that many shareholders will obviously just want to see numbers go up without too much attention to detail, that's not a given, and it's often the case that shareholders with a significant stake in a corporation do have an opinion on how a company makes its money. I think often people put too much stock in the idea that the people running companies are super cold human spreadsheets and not just regular if slightly sociopathic humans perfectly capable of making the wrong calls and loving up.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:The most successful what if? May be marvel zombies, I think? It was ramp up after ramp up of ridiculous premises (at one point some of them eat galactus and become space zombies that travel across galaxies to eat people), got a bunch of spin offs using cult fav characters like Howard the duck and machine man, and when interest waned it ended with a whimper utilizing very comic book power abuse (the sandman - the villain in spider man who turns to sand - is revealed to be a secret weapon hidden in a jar and upon release he killed the space zombies because the sand shreds their flesh to nano pieces). It was a very strange series!
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The Saddest Rhino posted:My fav part of deep blue sea is ll cool j surviving to make a rap video of becoming a shark furry hybrid MY HAT IS LIKE A SHARK FIN
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The Grumbles posted:I know you put ethical in quotes but even so there's a huge difference between your ethical obligations as a person working for or running a division of a company, and the legal obligations of the corporate entity itself to its shareholders, and most people in business at high levels keep those to things very very separate. New Coke.
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What Ifs are great. Two of my favorite issues ever were What Ifs. There are two main series. The first volume ran from 1977-1984 for 47 issues and the second volume ran from 1989-1998 ran for 115 issues. After that there were sporadic one shots and minis up to present day. Some of my favorite issues: Volume 1 #1 What if Spider-Man Joined the Fantastic Four? #3 What if The Avengers Had Never Been? #22 What if Dr Doom Had Become a Hero? #24 What if Spider-Man Rescued Gwen Stacy? #44 What if Captain America Were Revived Today? (Personal favorite of V1) #45 What if Hulk Went Berserk? Volume 2 #4 What If the Alien Costume Had Possessed Spider-Man? #15 What if the Fantastic Four Had Lost the Trial of Galactus? #26 What if the Punsiher Killed Daredevil? (Personal favorite of V2) #27 What if Namor Had Joined the Fantastic Four? #39 What if the Watcher Saved the Multiverse? #49 What if the Silver Surfer Possessed the Infinity Gauntlet? #64 What if Iron Man Sold Out? Other One Shots What If Doctor Doom Had Become the Thing? What If: Annihilation (The Annihilation Wave makes it to Earth) What If: Spider-Man vs. Wolverine (Spider-Man and Wolverine become like a mercenary team, it's really cool) What if: Newer Fantastic Four (New Fantastic Four vs Thanos) What If: Secret Wars (Doom wins Secret Wars) (Another personal favorite) What if: Infinity Thanos (Thanos joins The Avengers) These are all quick reads. Most of them are on Marvel Unlimited (most of the V2 issues aren't there).
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Party Boat posted:Especially if it's being filmed somewhere nice. The other apocryphal story about Caine and Jaws: The Revenge is that he agreed to do it because he loved the script - the first line was "EXT: THE BAHAMAS" He's like a cross between Bruce Willis and Adam Sandler.
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Several common What If themes: Spider-Man is the lynchpin of the entire Marvel universe. If he dies everything goes to poo poo. Reed Richards minus Sue Storm equals the most deranged villain ever.
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A.o.D. posted:Reed Richards minus Sue Storm equals the most deranged villain ever. I would looooove to see The Maker in the MCU. 
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The first three episodes of What If...? are reportedly: 1. Captain Carter 2. Star Lord T'Challa 3. "Loki on Earth" And there's rumblings that Captain Carter could appear in Multiverse of Madness. live with fruit fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Aug 2, 2021 |
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live with fruit posted:The first three episodes of What If...? are reportedly: If they do that, I'm betting it'll be a lot like they did for the CW's Flashpoint. A quick view of a universe in a montage with a wide variety of characters that is basically just a bunch of cameos. Like, "Ooo...Captain Carter" cut to "Oooo...Miles Morales" etc.
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I am hoping they use this to backdoor some fan favorite characters and actors back into the MCU fold. With Chadwick Boseman's unfortunate passing, it'd be cool to see "good guy" Killmonger come out of the What Ifs, or Captain Carter becoming the new modern day fish out of water character with Chris Evans hanging up the shield. (Obviously Falcon is still Captain America but he lacks the man out of time element that Steve Rogers has). I don't think those things are likely but it's a good time for the MCU to get shaken up and see what lands. Meanwhile, in DC land, somehow Doom Patrol is the best superhero show I've ever seen and I can't believe this absolute gem had to suffer under some bullshit DC only streaming service before finding a better home at HBO. Seriously watch this if you haven't seen it, it's absolutely incredible.
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Maybe spoil the rumors about surprises in upcoming mcu movies.
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Doctor Nutt posted:I am hoping they use this to backdoor some fan favorite characters and actors back into the MCU fold. With Chadwick Boseman's unfortunate passing, it'd be cool to see "good guy" Killmonger come out of the What Ifs, or Captain Carter becoming the new modern day fish out of water character with Chris Evans hanging up the shield. (Obviously Falcon is still Captain America but he lacks the man out of time element that Steve Rogers has). I don't think those things are likely but it's a good time for the MCU to get shaken up and see what lands. Make the AU Peggy Carter the MCU's Captain Britain and really annoy some dorks online.
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