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It's only Socialism if the "wrong" people get it. Otherwise it's just me getting help through a system designed to help taxpayers like me who are just having a difficult time through no fault of their own.
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Yes! Pay workers more! Literally what weve been asking!
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Jul 26, 2021 04:57
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poo poo i would love an extra 300 a week at my job i'd be like, 40% less miserable.
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Jul 26, 2021 05:01
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Just pay people more money. Just pay them more an hour. People will work if you pay them more money. If you can't afford to do that, you can't afford to be in business. This is basic poo poo that capitalism is supposed to solve.
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Jul 26, 2021 06:05
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That sounds like commie poo poo!
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Jul 26, 2021 06:22
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the_steve posted:It's only Socialism if the "wrong" people get it. Otherwise it's just me getting help through a system designed to help taxpayers like me who are just having a difficult time through no fault of their own. Slavery ended 150 years ago and has no effect on currently existing society, I insist as I slowly shrink into a cotton plant with no symbolic value whatsoever.
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Okay maybe I'm asleep but I'm awake enough to be honest: I don't know what they're actually trying to say. Is it because it's a non sequitur: Who are the lazy people being rewarded? The people making minimum wage? The people "holding out for a management position"? Anyone not employed? Or the definition fallacy: Why are they "lazy" if they're unemployed? Did they get laid off? Earning unemployment insurance income? Medical, or short term disability? Or are they complaining about food stamps here? Are they a retiree? Or... (still thinking, which is likely pointless since their message has nothing to do with rational thought.)
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Jul 27, 2021 00:49
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Okay maybe I'm asleep but I'm awake enough to be honest: I don't know what they're actually trying to say. It's referring to the extra $300 in unemployment.
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Jul 27, 2021 00:52
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Okay maybe I'm asleep but I'm awake enough to be honest: I don't know what they're actually trying to say. Basically, jobs pay so loving little that people are making more money staying home and collecting unemployment. The OP believes this to be a moral failing of the people rather than the employers, as obviously it's just laziness to collect the larger check rather than let yourself be worked to death for less than pennies. Their solution is to give extra money to the people who are working, which is a remarkable Own Goal as "Not making enough money while working" is the entire reason people are staying home in the first place.
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^^^ There it is, the self-own of their approach making things de facto worse as well as logically less consistent. To whit, posted at the same time... I think I'm having difficulty figuring it out because I counted at least seven logical fallacies. Assuming (with many drugs) they use this to prove "unemployed people getting 300/wk extra were lazy", wouldn't the obvious conclusion be, "oh crap we're giving 300/wk to employed people so now they're lazy (along with all the unemployed people who got a job to prove our point)!"  To say nothing about a 62% labor force getting 300/wk versus a 6% unemployment pool getting that amount. (61.4B vs 5.9B/wk) ps I mostly have it now. Thanks for your patience. Conclusion: Don't hire these people as "knowledge workers". PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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Jul 27, 2021 01:33
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You are really overthinking this. This is the summation of their thought. There is nothing else there to get and if you try to think deeper than this you'll have already spent more effort than they did.
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Jul 27, 2021 01:38
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gently caress yeah 300 bucks a month to every working person in the US, sounds good
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Jul 27, 2021 03:20
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300 a week would drastically improve my life. And probably the businesses around me when I waste it all on food and frivolous poo poo instead of the savings I should be earmarking it for.
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Jul 27, 2021 22:13
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HootTheOwl posted:300 a week would drastically improve my life. You could steal all of Jeff Bezos money back and it would flow back to Amazon within a few years
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Jul 27, 2021 22:54
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HootTheOwl posted:300 a week would drastically improve my life. For real. Give me an extra 300 bucks a week and I'm going to burn it on takeout or ingredients for a recipe I want to try but didn't want to spend money on.
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Jul 27, 2021 23:08
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It's the craziest thing. Turns out that if you give poor people money they spend it right away on the things they've been too poor to afford, thus circulating that money in the economy immediately. Who could have possibly predicted this!?
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Jul 28, 2021 00:45
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Dameius posted:It's the craziest thing. Turns out that if you give poor people money they spend it right away on the things they've been too poor to afford, thus circulating that money in the economy immediately. every single economist that hasn't been injected with Chicago School brain fungus I know it's in vogue to dunk on economics but this is exactly what reasonable mainstream economics would predict and maybe we should do a lot more of this spending and ideally make the Federal Reserve Money Spigot a refundable tax credit to every American
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Jul 28, 2021 00:59
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That's why I try to focus it from the perspective of groups conservatives claim to care about - small businesses. If people had more money, they would spend that money in businesses. Don't those businesses deserve that money? People get paid, businesses get paid.
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Jul 28, 2021 01:06
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I posted this in the funny graphs thread but it applies here too https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
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Jul 28, 2021 01:39
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Panfilo posted:That's why I try to focus it from the perspective of groups conservatives claim to care about - small businesses. If people had more money, they would spend that money in businesses. Don't those businesses deserve that money? People get paid, businesses get paid. B-b-b-but if you force those job creators to actually pay money to people, they'll just raise the prices! Why am I being punished just because Bobby the Frycook wants to be able to pay his rent and still afford to eat!?
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Jul 28, 2021 02:18
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GreyjoyBastard posted:every single economist that hasn't been injected with Chicago School brain fungus It really shouldn't take an economics degree to figure out a consumer based economy only functions when consumers have money to spend. Top heavy economies do gently caress all for anybody and, like most top heavy things, are much more prone to collapse.
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Jul 28, 2021 15:47
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the_steve posted:B-b-b-but if you force those job creators to actually pay money to people, they'll just raise the prices! Why am I being punished just because Bobby the Frycook wants to be able to pay his rent and still afford to eat!? Why would a high schooler need to pay rent? Checkmate libtard
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Willatron posted:It really shouldn't take an economics degree to figure out a consumer based economy only functions when consumers have money to spend. Top heavy economies do gently caress all for anybody and, like most top heavy things, are much more prone to collapse. Ah but what if you're Mr. Rich Fucker and want to keep all of the money to yourself? Then what?
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Jul 31, 2021 23:41
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Boy this guy must be really old since I've never heard of a time when retirement was an embarrassing secret. quote:Right wingers trying to erase the history of slavery, genocide and racism in the Americas are not intelligent, A Good Meme.
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Aug 1, 2021 00:07
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Intelligent people learn from Hitler's first coup and spectacularly fail in the same way.
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I like the complete lack of humanity in just saying "Man, I miss the times when shaming the unemployed was more common."
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Grimdude posted:I like the complete lack of humanity in just saying "Man, I miss the times when shaming the unemployed was more common." Yeah, I overhear and directly get a lot of "nobody wants to work" bullshit in my day to day life - from regular coworkers to bosses - and I still don't think that's true but, if I'm being honest, I don't know enough to about it to generate any kind of well thought out pushback on it. This is me completely ignoring the thing where going to work somewhere for $10 or $13 an hour with no benefits at all simply makes no sense if you have to pay a babysitter that much to care for your child, get sick, have a car break down or just need a trip to the dentist. I think we've hit critical mass here and are on a late stage 2:00 am Monopoly board for the most part but it's like... Even the BOSSES I work for can't make any money because none of them are in the top 5% and those fucks who are literally have all the equity, power and control. Period. Some of these employers are this close to getting it but always fall back on how poor people are lazy and everyone is kicking back on $250/week sticking it to the man.
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A friend's dad has been going on and on about how millennials (he actually means Gen Z) are lazy and that unemployment and the bonus are keeping people from working and isn't it so sad restaurants can't find enough employees, and on each of these multiple occasions my friend tries to explain things to him. Recently this guy's niece, a hostess for front of house, told him what she makes and he was all "they don't pay her enough!" And then not a few days later pulled out the laziness canard. 
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Aug 1, 2021 18:10
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What exactly have they spoiled? It seems more that they have been wrong a poo poo ton with their conspiracy theories. 
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Orange Devil posted:BioNTech was literally using the mRNA technique used for the vaccine to research and develop cancer-treatments and possible cures before the pandemic happened and they, for obvious reasons, shifted all available resources onto checking out if maybe they could use the same techniques to do something useful against the pandemic. Shhhhhh no the vaccine literally came out of nowhere and is made of dead babies because Fox News said! --stupid people
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:What exactly have they spoiled? Nothing. It's just that you can wake up one day believing that Toad People from the Moon grew a Joe Biden body double in a Moon lab, kidnapped real Joe Biden, and astral projected the Biden body double to Earth to steal the election with a telekinetic vote changing helmet, and somehow there's already a Facebook group dedicated to that narrative with over 10k followers already waiting to tell you the whole thing is true and everybody who tells you otherwise is a Deep State Toad People agent forever. "If it didn't happen, then why do we all keep saying it did!"
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:What exactly have they spoiled? There's no way that's a real person and not a stock photo. EDIT: He's real and his Twitter is full of stupid stuff. https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1421547681936068613
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Aug 3, 2021 15:29
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Yeah I'm sure they'd be much happier with a conservative in charge to undermine any progress against covid.
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It's funny too how he calls her a conservative while the rest of the world calls her far-right, but that's just because conservative in the US is far-right. and to be fair the Democrats are centre-right
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Aug 4, 2021 03:29
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thinkin about all the americans that have doggedly insisted to me that France is a socialist country
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Aug 4, 2021 11:47
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A large portion will call neolib California a socialist hellscape.
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Maybe the government that spends the most GDP on its military in the world could build more poo poo then. Or maybe that money isn’t going to where it should be? Just asking questions here.
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