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Gort posted:Yeah, there's definitely a line between "Hey, did you see this problem over here, it might be a good idea if you dealt with that" and "No, you should spend your first three actions doing that and then the last action doing this" where you should probably back off a bit and let the player play suboptimally rather than make their presence pointless But everything needs to be OPTIMAL. Fun and other's agency do not factor in when playin board games. Please respect this unbreakable law.
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I wouldn't care to say what the prevalent opinion is, but Xia was miserable both times I played it. It's very luck-based (roll-to-move, roll-to-fight, roll-to-see-what-you-found), what isn't luck-based is kinda tiresome, and the whole thing takes 3 hours or so. But it is set in space, and maybe you enjoy those three hours pretending you and your friends are traders going around space.
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Xia would have benefited massively from set map layouts. If Arydia is going for a hack n slash /w a proper campaign - I could see it working out well, as there are definitely SOME things I like about Xia's gameplay systems.
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FulsomFrank posted:We had a Pax weekend and got to play Pax Viking, Ren (2nd), Pamir (2nd) and I mostly enjoyed all these games, some way more than others. Wait there's more Pax games? Are any of them actually possible to find? Because I really want Pax Pamir but it was a one-time run and it's impossible to find now.
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Aug 3, 2021 16:54
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I liked Xia. Thought it was a great game ... of a particular type. Like a huge messy chaotic, crazy stuff happens type game, which comes with the usual variable results, long play time, frequent unfairness. Some of the complaints people level against (the trading rules) got tweaked in the expansion. Having said that, it's a game I got the time and patience for about once a year.
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nonathlon posted:I liked Xia. Thought it was a great game ... of a particular type. Like a huge messy chaotic, crazy stuff happens type game, which comes with the usual variable results, long play time, frequent unfairness. Some of the complaints people level against (the trading rules) got tweaked in the expansion. That makes it sound like an experience generator more than a game, IMO. Which is all fine but I think most of the people in this thread prefer games with more impactful choices. Which is all to say that I'd expect the next game by the Xia designer to follow the same path.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Wait there's more Pax games? Are any of them actually possible to find? Because I really want Pax Pamir but it was a one-time run and it's impossible to find now. There are tons. Some more complicated than others. A lot have similar beats but play differently. Pick your theme and go. I thought Pax Pamir: 2nd edition had a couple of print runs? https://www.boardgamebliss.com/products/pax-pamir-second-edition?_pos=1&_sid=067f94bd1&_ss=r Looks like it'll be back in stock imminently. Treat yourself and get the metal rupees though, they rock.
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Aug 3, 2021 18:13
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FulsomFrank posted:There are tons. Some more complicated than others. A lot have similar beats but play differently. Pick your theme and go. Nice! I'm bad with money, I ordered Pax Renaissance and Pax Viking from my local game store since those were the two they had in stock.
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Reign of Witches is a mini 2p pax-adjacent game that I highly recommend too, from Hollandspiele.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Nice! You might want to look into noted covid denier, climate change denier, minsogynst, and racist Phil Eklund before you buy any of his games. The first edition of Pax Pamir was even infected by his garbage because he included a ridiculous essay (and didn't allow Cole to publish his counter essay) since he was the publisher. If you're coming to the Pax games for mechanical reasons, check out Oath. Same designer as Pamir, but set in a fantasy world and really feels like an evolution on the Pax games with a built in campaign like system that alters the deck and world map between games. If you're here for the historical settings, there's a ton of options we can probably help point you to.
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Bottom Liner posted:You might want to look into noted covid denier, climate change denier, minsogynst, and racist Phil Eklund before you buy any of his games. The first edition of Pax Pamir was even infected by his garbage because he included a ridiculous essay (and didn't allow Cole to publish his counter essay) since he was the publisher. Ouch. Too late now, but next time I'll know. I played a few games of Oath, it was fun. And I'd be interested in the options uggested: I'm all for fun boardgame times. Is there like a good TTS group or something?
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i dislike phil as much as the next guy but Oath very much isn't a Pax game. pax ren and pamir 2e are very interesting and good games even though phil's a shithead.
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Impermanent posted:i dislike phil as much as the next guy but Oath very much isn't a Pax game. pax ren and pamir 2e are very interesting and good games even though phil's a shithead. I also like Pax Porfiriana, although I think it's more for the visual style than it bringing anything unique to the table in terms of Pax gameplay.
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Impermanent posted:i dislike phil as much as the next guy but Oath very much isn't a Pax game. pax ren and pamir 2e are very interesting and good games even though phil's a shithead. Phil had nothing to do with pamir 2e
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Papes posted:Phil had nothing to do with pamir 2e oh yeah, that's true - all the more reason to recommend that one imo
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Impermanent posted:i dislike phil as much as the next guy but Oath very much isn't a Pax game. pax ren and pamir 2e are very interesting and good games even though phil's a shithead. I said evolution on the system, and that's what it feels like to me. You manage a limited number of actions and build a small tableau of cards to boost those, the "map" is made up of cards that further drive the game and actions, and there are a variety of win conditions that all have different goals (and you generally need to trigger them and hold on a round before being stopped). It doesn't have the card market, which is the biggest difference beyond setting. In a way, Oath is closer to other Pax games than Pamir 2 is (being just about scoring points).
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StarkRavingMad posted:I also like Pax Porfiriana, although I think it's more for the visual style than it bringing anything unique to the table in terms of Pax gameplay. I like Porfiriana. It's not as complex as many of the other Pax entries, and it's a surprisingly flexible game that can go in many directions with many strategies. On the down side, it's one of the earliest, the earliest?, Pax game and it's a touch rough around the edges and almost every card has some special power or feature. It's the Sierra Madre games I've had the most success teaching others.
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So Par Pamir plays ok at 2 players then? I've got the new version of that and of Pax Renaissance, and I've been debating if my wife and I should try them out before we can get other people to play too.
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I would recommend pax pam 2p! It’s rather cutthroat, and a very different experience than at higher player counts but it works well. Thinking about it maybe playing with 3-4 first might be a better introduction to the game though.
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Aug 3, 2021 23:07
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a few quick 2p games of it is good for learning the system and getting the rules and possibilities down and worth it before diving in 3-4 all new players IMO. It's very different and not best at 2, but still worth playing.
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Aug 3, 2021 23:37
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Arydia looks incredibly fiddly. Look at the amount of busywork required for doing a mundane little task like the most basic 'kill rats' quest.
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Played a tense 5 player game of BSG with a bunch of the expansion stuff added (thanks The Black Stones!). We tried the cylon fleet option and there was a huge swarm of raiders close on our heels the entire game - we'd mange to just get away after they all jumped in and started to swarm us throughout the game. I was Adama and started as admiral, became president when Ellen Tigh turned out to be a cylon, lost my Admiralty when I drew a second mutiny card and then lost the Presidency to Helo. We managed to eke out a human win with both cylons revealed, Helo and I in prison and Admiral Starbuck successfully making a desperate final jump with every resource at 2 or less. 10/10, would kill toasters again.
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Llyranor posted:Arydia looks incredibly fiddly. Look at the amount of busywork required for doing a mundane little task like the most basic 'kill rats' quest. Yeah, so many of these big kickstarters feel like they are just trying to replicate computer games. I know some people love this stuff but I can play any one of a number of RPGs if I want the same experience. This is halfway between a videogame and playing dungeons and dragons but way more fiddly and likely limited in content compared to other options.
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They're all trying to recreate Gloomhaven's lightning in a bottle but none of them have the mechanical chops of GH but all the bloat.
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How's Charterstone? I see it's available on switch/steam/ios, in descending order of price.
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MonsieurChoc posted:How's Charterstone? I see it's available on switch/steam/ios, in descending order of price. Unbalanced trash. Like, 1 color wins most campaigns at 45+% rate. Beyond that, it's a boring worker placement at best.
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MonsieurChoc posted:How's Charterstone? A giant soup of "convert X into Y" actions.
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Funzo posted:So Par Pamir plays ok at 2 players then? I've got the new version of that and of Pax Renaissance, and I've been debating if my wife and I should try them out before we can get other people to play too. Most people say the best Pax game for 2p is Pax Renaissance. Pax Pamir 2e is definitely playable at 2p but it's like a knife fight in a phone booth, can be fragile and mistakes are very punishing.
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My favorite Pax for two players has actually been Transhumanity (as long as you don't read the footnotes)
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alkanphel posted:Pax Pamir 2e is definitely playable at 2p but it's like a knife fight in a phone booth, can be fragile and mistakes are very punishing. Not just mistakes, but the card market too. The wrong flip can and will determine a lot of games at 2. Just another thing to plan for and play around, but it is even more punishing at 2 since it can be a coin flip.
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Charterstone is a legacy game that starts out extremly, unenjoyably simply and moves into just being basic by the end. Besides introducing mechanics, each game has a little gimmick, some of which are deeply questionable. One such twist was to roll a D6 at the end of your turn, get a point on a roll of 6. How unlocks are structured means it's possible for fun mechanics to get buried and you'll never see them. And the story is not very compelling.
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A game about modelling hot dogs out of clay with wire, and then drafting them. Will it be the hot new trend? https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/343876/sell-out-seven/images
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If you want a light legacy game try My City, it's much cheaper and I've enjoyed the first half of it I've gone through.
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Funzo posted:So Par Pamir plays ok at 2 players then? I've got the new version of that and of Pax Renaissance, and I've been debating if my wife and I should try them out before we can get other people to play too. I've enjoyed it best at 3. I've got a 13 and a 15 year old that I play with (brothers who are very competitive .. so the games can get pretty cutthroat). That said 2p+Wakan isn't bad, once you get her rules down she seems to create enough space between the players for us that it usually doesn't come down to a single play. I also have a version of Pax Ren and have not even cracked it open yet. It's sounding better to hear it's good at 2p. RadioDog fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Aug 4, 2021 |
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meatsaw posted:I also have a version of Pax Ren and have not even cracked it open yet. It's sounding better to hear it's good at 2p. For the love of God, try to learn the rules beforehand or watch some videos or something because the game is not a joke when it comes to complexity, at least at first glance. It makes Pamir feel like Sushi Go in comparison.
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Mr. Squishy posted:Charterstone is a legacy game that starts out extremly, unenjoyably simply and moves into just being basic by the end. Besides introducing mechanics, each game has a little gimmick, some of which are deeply questionable. One such twist was to roll a D6 at the end of your turn, get a point on a roll of 6. How unlocks are structured means it's possible for fun mechanics to get buried and you'll never see them. And the story is not very compelling. Counterpoint, it had two of the coolest legacy things I've seen in a legacy game.
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If it’s the two I’m thinking of they’re neat neat gimmicks they don’t come close to justifying the game/time investment.
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Bottom Liner posted:If it’s the two I’m thinking of they’re neat neat gimmicks they don’t come close to justifying the game/time investment. I dunno, I know what you mean. I had some fun with it, but, the people in my group DEFINITELY had more fun with it than they did with Gloomhaven. For them, the high-quality moment-to-moment gameplay of GH grew stale because they weren't really as gamey gamers as me. The one playing saw, for example, never managed to kill anything, and just did the other thing that saw does, and it wasn't until I looked over her cards I was like "Wait you could have been doing X all this time?!?" But they delighted in the constant unlocks of Charterstone and the frivolity of it. I agree that it's not (even close to) as good 'mechanically', but, y'know as an experience, for some people, there's definitely mileage in it.
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Yeah, the people playing Charterstone around here seemed happy with it, although maybe not ecstatic. Perhaps it's a question of weight and expectations - boardgamers can get awfully uptight about what people have fun with.
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Finally managed to see my parents after like 2 years and brought Baseball Highlights with me and I really like the game. I think it’s one of those undervalued deck builders and my dad, who usually isn’t much into board games, really enjoys it. Should get some of those expansions for it though.
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