Blue On Blue posted:

the entire picture is basically 'if seinfeld never stopped, and George just keeps falling back-asswards into better and higher paying jobs'

alternatively 'we gave Kruger control of CIG'

Thoatse posted:

I'm not sure what Kruger is in this context or you meant Kramer but it made me remember this which was nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

Thoatse posted:

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The positional desync is so bad, that my rear shields go down when i'm heading face on, and then the front of my ship starts to get damaged...

At the end, only my rear shield is down, NONE of the shots hit on my end, and then my ship combusts out of nowhere. I know reddit isn't the best place for this, but people really need to see how bad the combat desync is right now.

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to be honest this has been happening for years and its just more obvious in this patch. Losing your rear shields and your hits never registering on an opponent has been the case for a long time, but now its happening with every ship and not just the fast ships strafing around to stay behind you on their screen while you are turning and registering hits on them on your screen.

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There is no "game" until basic network and video performance is fixed.

Everything they keep on fiddling with and revising in all of these updates...

It's as if they're constantly re-renovating the same bathroom over and over -- changing the paint on the wall, then the next day deciding to replace it all with tile anyway, then putting in a fancy new toilet and shower head -- the whole while, the plumbing is non-existent, and the room itself cannot be used by any one for any thing.

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This is unintentionally funny cuz game development is like this. Not joking. Game dev is messy: is all about reworks, renovations and scrapping parts of the game. When the public hears about it sporadically (Anthem, CP2077, Watch Dogs 1 are always the first examples that come to people's mind) they cast the devs in a bad light; That's why most game studios keep this stuff internally through NDAs. For example, go check out online about Bioshock Infinite's history of reworks, revisions and cut content; Originally the game was going to be completely different all together and EVEN feature multiplayer modes...

That's why we gotta respect and understand the Star Citizen devs (but not take away our constructive criticisms and feedback!!) for at least not hiding what is happening with feature development. Transparency comes with the cost that now every Dick and Jane will call them out on Standard Game Dev practices...

posted:

Iterating and revising is not the problem and not what I was getting at with this post. It’s actually commendable that specific teams are constantly improving and refining systems in their scope.

The point I was trying to make was that the core tech is absolutely absent. It’s not that it’s being revised or updated so much as it’s completely missing.

They spend so much time and effort not only developing these abstract systems, but actually marketing them with the social facing parts of the company like star citizen live, ISC and the news letters… BUT ITS ALL COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT without the core tech; without the netcode — without the plumbing.

For god sakes, SPARE ME the latest “gameplay” pass and give me a workable client/server architecture that can actually handle the poo poo you’ve been trying to do for the past 5 years. Please.

posted:

SoonTM. Yeah I just haven’t played in a while. Every time I play and see some new graphical change or pretty little part addition on something I just get frustrated knowing that the money spent on all these artists could’ve been spent on developers to improve the servers. I love to look at my shiny space game but it’s frustrating when I can sometimes can’t even play it

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the game has been getting worst and worst with new patches, They speak about how they want to tweak their game and the dogfight but the game is way too bad for that, it's barely playable, and as soon as fire and effect are going down it s a desync fest. Making tedious bugged features that add zero fun to already dead gameplay and calling it simulation doesn't make it into a good or fun game. I don't believe server meshing will change anything. First atm the server is only handling a very limited number of players, way less than you would expect to be in a single chunk anyway. I think the problem is how they deal with animation and the amount that they want to use,...

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Welcome to alpha

Dwesa posted:

Probably going to get downvoted for showing this, but the desync in 3.13.1 and 3.14 really makes the game unplayable... You could be dodging every single shot and it doesn't matter because your opponent sees you as comepletely still. I understand that server meshing is coming soon, but this is baddd

https://v.redd.it/7pakuley75f71/DASH_480.mp4

Dwesa posted:

Probably going to get downvoted for showing this, but the desync in 3.13.1 and 3.14 really makes the game unplayable... You could be dodging every single shot and it doesn't matter because your opponent sees you as comepletely still. I understand that server meshing is coming soon, but this is baddd

And it seems that "ED refugee" posts stopped for now. I guess Turbulent's astroturfing campaign ended.

tuo posted:

Cat Stranding looking good

Fidelitious posted:

You have to try and find the comedy in these responses otherwise it ends up being really annoying to read the same stuff for years on end.

JackSplater posted:

Now I want a death stranding mod that replaces BB with a cat. That'd actually be amazing.

Fidelitious posted:

You have to try and find the comedy in these responses otherwise it ends up being really annoying to read the same stuff for years on end.

Game dev is not like this as a standard. Like people are not pointing to Anthem, Cyberpunk, and Watch Dogs as examples of how to do development properly.
And yeah, scrapping and remaking over and over often leads to a bad game, but Anthem was fully functional upon release. It was mostly uninteresting and plagued with bad decisions but it worked just fine.

And by god, people still just poo poo out 'alpha' like it excuses anything lol. I know the usage of terms is highly subjective but something in alpha should be mostly functional but missing a lot of art and user friendliness.
With how the state of the game is being described it shouldn't even be in player's hands. You cannot test something for gameplay fun or bugs if it's non-functioning. It's pointless.

Glazius posted:

Well, apart from two very significant bugs in the scaling code Anthem was functional. Weapon damage always scaled to you regardless of wlvl, so the slight newbie boost your starter weapon got actually made it the best weapon in the game. Accessories were always several ilvls behind the rest of the gear that would drop, and so much was tied just to average ilvl that it was never worth it to actually equip them for bonuses, because an empty slot didn't figure into average ilvl calculations.

When you should not loot half the drops in a looter shooter, that's kind of bad.

L. Ron Hoover posted:

On the other hand, Star Citizen is now starting to make loot tables in year 10, which consists stuff you can buy in their store. So there's bad, and then there's very bad.

Lammasu posted:

When someone says "It's alpha" does anyone ever counter with the point that it still being an alpha at this point in development insane?

trucutru posted:

So what happened to that German magazine that had articles about star citizen? are they still publishing those? is anybody at all talking about the game outside reddit and this lovely thread?

Lammasu posted:

When someone says "It's alpha" does anyone ever counter with the point that it still being an alpha at this point in development insane?

commando in tophat posted:

I think defense to that is that "even in alpha it has more content (or something, or is just better) than all AAA games combined, totally worth my $27,000"

trucutru posted:

So what happened to that German magazine that had articles about star citizen? are they still publishing those? is anybody at all talking about the game outside reddit and this lovely thread?

Dwesa posted:

time game development is a flat circle

Plank Walker posted:

Imagine four features on a cliff. Say a direct copy of the feature nearest the cliff is implemented and takes the place of the first feature. The formerly first feature becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth needs to be reimplemented in the next patch.

Game development works the same way

Fidelitious posted:

You have to try and find the comedy in these responses otherwise it ends up being really annoying to read the same stuff for years on end.

Game dev is not like this as a standard. Like people are not pointing to Anthem, Cyberpunk, and Watch Dogs as examples of how to do development properly.
And yeah, scrapping and remaking over and over often leads to a bad game, but Anthem was fully functional upon release. It was mostly uninteresting and plagued with bad decisions but it worked just fine.

And by god, people still just poo poo out 'alpha' like it excuses anything lol. I know the usage of terms is highly subjective but something in alpha should be mostly functional but missing a lot of art and user friendliness.
With how the state of the game is being described it shouldn't even be in player's hands. You cannot test something for gameplay fun or bugs if it's non-functioning. It's pointless.

Play posted:

If they release into beta then people will start actually reviewing the game on its merits and without tons of qualifiers. From this I divine that it will never release into beta

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah the truth is that SC isn't yet in alpha, its in mockup.

One giant $500M mockup. Released to players because they're the investors of this game. But pretending a mock is a finished title is lmao.

SC hasn't even hit MVP status yet, so definitely not alpha.

Sammus posted:

Obviously loot tables are only a temporary solution. In reality, all “loot” is going to have a history, and be traceable back to the player or NPC owned factory that created it. Storage chests and boxes around settlements will be filled by NPCs stockpiling goods to complete dreams of being store owners, arms dealers, or just back woods farmers.

TheAgent posted:

the latest sq42 update talks about all the new mocap they are getting done. And how they are finally using track view for stuff lol

Seriously I'd clock sq42 at 4 years out at the minimum

a redditor said posted:

Or, you know, it's a pre-alpha product, and you're here to test it.

Yes, 3.14 is pre-alpha, CIG even calls it such. They're looking for de-sync gameplay footage to knock this problem down, so if you're not willing to test, then by all means uninstall.

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

The Four Noble Truths of Crobear development?

What is the sound of one grabby hand clapping?

TheAgent posted:

lol I that one leak turns out to be true and they had to do pick up mocap and new va for pusher AND they had to remocap the remocap she insisted on doing for other actors

That's a solid lol when that comes to pass

"Special Thanks: Sandi Gardiner Roberts"

TheAgent posted:

the latest sq42 update talks about all the new mocap they are getting done. And how they are finally using track view for stuff lol

Seriously I'd clock sq42 at 4 years out at the minimum

slashtom posted:

Sometimes spectrum can bring laughs..