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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

ilmucche posted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58075743

I wonder if feelings will be hurt over this

CCP: "Oh but you allow Western propaganda The Witcher?"

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Threadkiller Dog
Jun 9, 2010

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Ort means "area", ört means "herb". Use the Ö key - it's right between L and Ä.

Hey maybe its some subtle chicago joke.
Malört=bad herb
Malort=bad area :downs:

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Alan Smithee posted:

CCP: "Oh but you allow Western propaganda The Witcher?"

There's a baddie king with a red colour scheme, pretty sus IMO :hmmyes:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Threadkiller Dog posted:

Hey maybe its some subtle chicago joke.
Malört=bad herb
Malort=bad area :downs:

Mal as in "moth".

Fox Cunning
Jun 21, 2006

salt-induced orgasm in the mouth
Malört is a regular nordic bitter, or bäsk, introduced by a Swedish immigrant iirc.

It is good for healthy.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

Shumagorath posted:

A half-rear end vaccine and a full-rear end lockdown isn't so bad as long as the testing doesn't also... well, you know.

Atlas Hugged posted:

Thailand tried going all in on the sino-x vaccines, but they could never even get enough of those to vaccinate the population. Only Phuket got close to full vaccination and as we've seen, the sino vaccines do not stop transmission as was mentioned above. So all the targets or thresholds to keep Phuket open to tourists that the government established have been blown through as daily infections there keep increasing.

Nationally, Thailand is only at about 6% fully vaccinated. Expats have been scrambling trying to find avenues to get vaccinated and the government has sworn that we're included in the free vaccine schemes because we basically have to be for herd humanity to be achieved. Things are not looking great here. Lots of places have closed permanently (including the iconic train market) and the education system is a mess. My school is threatening to reduce staff because parents are refusing to pay fees if we're online. Things are not great.

Atopian posted:

They don't work to prevent infection, but they have halfway decent efficacy in terms of hospitalisation/death, so better to have than not.
High-risk groups have generally had two shots so far, vaccination of children aged 12-17 began a few weeks ago, although none have had 2 shots yet.

A third shot is almost a certainty at this point, although there is some speculation as to whether it will be more of the same or something RNA-based.

Back to the current government public health response, as someone noted above, this stuff has tended to work in the past. No complaints about efficacy so far, just general nervousness.

SerCypher posted:

Are they even still attempting to vaccinate people with the Chinese made vaccines?

Or have they completely backed off since they don't really work.

I'm assuming they're frantically trying to get MRNA ones scaled up.

etc.

There is value in having it, but yeah efficacy was question (and established as weak early on) and even their own people were saying it (much to the chagrin of the superiors)
It looks like they will continue with the face saving thing (because - they have invested very heavily (in all capacities), but they will follow up with a third (mRNA) version.
https://fortune.com/2021/07/16/china-mrna-vaccine-pfizer-biontech-fosun-doses/

Vietnam and Taiwan both hosed up on hoping for a domestic version to be ready. Taiwan got the help from that problem earlier given it's role in the global economy.

Vietnam is now catching up, and the numbers while low are concerning for a country with 'almost no vaccines' in the country to defend itself with.

Saigon/HCMC has/is being hammered by Delta, and we are basically under martial law at this point.
Its the worst numbers in the country because of the density, and there is a freight train of vaccination going on right now which I am very pleased to see.

fwiw: the French and EU citizens have support to get vaccine via their embassies.
the UK government: "crickets and tumbleweed" (yay - Brexit)
the Viet govt: confirmed my registration to get a vaccine.

I remain simply appalled at the UK government actions. But, this is not that thread.

While I'm here,
hahahaha badminton win - Taiwan #1

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



ilmucche posted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58075743

I wonder if feelings will be hurt over this

First, it's a lovely rule that shouldn't exist and only does because the IOC gets embarrassed. gently caress those guys, they deserve to be embarrassed.

Second, Mao may be a political figure, but it's clearly not a significant political statement. He's basically a symbol of China and carries about as much weight as wearing a country's flag. It's stupid to even talk about this.

Weird. The IOC is so lovely that I'm taking China's side against them. That's pretty bad.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
OLYMPICS ARE A BUNCH OF POPUP LANDLORDS

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

SerCypher posted:

I guess I should have said 'Don't really work" in the sense they don't have a chance of stopping the virus through herd immunity like the mRNA ones. People I know in China were basically getting forced to get the vaccine for a while, but that has seemed to slow down.

I didn't know they were going to produce pfizer internally, that makes sense at this point given it has a good track record.

Fosun really lucked out and bought the rights to the Pfizer vaccine way back before it had been fully tested and the efficacy rates were known. Then they got sorta hosed over by "needing" domestic testing/etc cuz there have been news stories they've ready to roll it out since like March. I think with how the domestic mRNA vaccine has kinda disappeared combined with Delta clusters appearing in China has finally allowed them to get into production.

Do you know where people were forced to get the vaccine? I hadn't heard that and in my experience it's always been voluntary where plenty of people (like at least half of my office, numerous olds in my neighborhood, more than half of my Chinese friends, etc... in contrast to most foreigners being very eager to get vaxxed) opted to not get them because they saw them as not really worthwhile due to the low efficacy and the lack of any real clusters domestically. This is all anecdotal, of course.

In fact, vaccination points here are currently mobbed because of the current Delta clusters are scaring those people into finally going to get them.

Ailumao fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Aug 6, 2021

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
I heard of healthcare workers getting told "get vaccinated or don't show up to work until you do" a while back but nothing else.
I know a bunch of public-facing roles that haven't been forced into it even though you might imagine they had been, like teachers.

Were the forced-vaccination people Party members? When they sign up, they're effectively signing away a lot of rights even as they gain some privileges.

Edit: but yeah, this Delta stuff has a lot of the public running scared to the vaccination centres.
Previously the attitude was "I don't have an opinion about the vaccine, but we're safe here so I don't need the hassle", but now people obviously don't feel so safe here.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Scaring people enough to finally go get their loving vaccine already is the silver lining I suppose.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru
The fun new term du-jour on Twitter

AntiFa AntiVA

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

url posted:

The fun new term du-jour on Twitter

AntiFa AntiVA
And unlike antifa they really are to blame for society's ills.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Shumagorath posted:

And unlike antifa they really are to blame for society's ill.

FTFY

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
Mildly weird story today:
An acquaintance was at a train station and saw some guy shuffling along in leg shackles, escorted by two heavies and a guy carrying what looked like a bunch of dried/long-life food.
No police/military uniforms, so ???.

Acquaintance tried taking a photo, but then the heavies called a couple of police officers nearby to make them delete it.
So... wtf?

If you've got some super-secret prisoner stuff to do, surely there are... police vehicles for that?
Not like an extreme story or anything, but so much doesn't add up. Leg shackles in public, next to plainclothes heavies, obedient police. Weird as hell.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Why hide it if you want to make a point?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Ailumao posted:

In fact, vaccination points here are currently mobbed because of the current Delta clusters are scaring those people into finally going to get them.

I just saw on the news here that Delta's spread to 40 cities, including Wuhan who must be so loving sick and tired of this poo poo by now.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Grand Fromage posted:

Why hide it if you want to make a point?

Sure, but then why no photos?
It's the inconsistency that's weird.

Any aspect of it could easily be explained one way or another, but taken together it's ???

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Maybe they just wanted to quietly humiliate the guy?


I got arrested for shoplifting as a kid and the cops took great pleasure in walking me around the store in front of everyone while still keeping people away from me.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

Megillah Gorilla posted:

I just saw on the news here that Delta's spread to 40 cities, including Wuhan who must be so loving sick and tired of this poo poo by now.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
Yeah, lots of not-exactly-lockdown going on in my area at the moment.

You can technically go where you like, but if anywhere you went subsequently gets identified as a hotspot then you can end up in quarantine for a couple of weeks. So most people don't go places unless they have to.

See how it goes over this month I guess. Obviously major disruption if it hits the scheduled back-to-school dates. Government by as already signaled that school opening is contingent on low infection numbers.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

lol how the gently caress is covid moving around, just ban international travel until its over. "But but my sister lives in Australia and I live in China and my dad has a summer house in France and we just have to see each other" lol eat poo poo there's a pandemic.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Atopian posted:

Sure, but then why no photos?
It's the inconsistency that's weird.

Any aspect of it could easily be explained one way or another, but taken together it's ???
<taps mic> *ahem*

...


...


No why.

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

Atlas Hugged posted:

for herd humanity to be achieved

:tinfoil: wake up sheeple

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

goblin week posted:

:tinfoil: wake up sheeple

Ah gently caress the Illuminati is going to be furious with me for that leak.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Happy Father's Day to my fellow Goon Dads. I'm lucky enough to have a patio this year so I can BBQ by myself while drinking beer.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Yeah feel good being a new dad.

gotta go change my 3rd diaper in 2 hours now

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Are you the guy in the Taiwan LINE group posting about your new kid?

Anyway, just wait until your kid is five and asking you uncomfortable questions about existence.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

the very same.

hey, if my kid doing that, you know you I succeeded.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Get some sleep then. It's gonna be a rough forever.

IT BURNS
Nov 19, 2012

Tnuctip posted:

Living in Ohio, it was called Cinci-Nasti

Still better than Columbus the arm pit of the us Midwest. What’s the armpit of China’s non costal region?

I know, I grew up there :smith:

Ironically, the first country I went to outside of the US was China in 2001, and it was like "wait, this is cleaner than Cincinnati..."

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
When I first came to China, the place/time meant that it had a very rough-and-ready, chabuduo, wild-west atmosphere.

Which made it more amusing when one of my earliest conversations was with some US factory manager dude drowning his sorrows in a bar as he lamented that labour here was so much bitchier and protected than back home, that you couldn't just fire people when you wanted, you had to give notice and reasons, and all I could do was smile and nod.

But yeah, it's a weird fractured social landscape from my outside perspective. Some things much worse than what I was used to, a few things better, difficult to determine why.
Then, society being arbitrary/subjective, I'm sure the reverse must be true for Chinese people going elsewhere.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Atlas Hugged posted:

Are you the guy in the Taiwan LINE group posting about your new kid?

Anyway, just wait until your kid is five and asking you uncomfortable questions about existence.

my kid was just about five last year when he busted out the line "dad, am I real or not real" before 7am on a Saturday

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

The Great Autismo! posted:

my kid was just about five last year when he busted out the line "dad, am I real or not real" before 7am on a Saturday

I hope you answered "yes", in the finest zen tradition.

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

Atopian posted:

Yeah, lots of not-exactly-lockdown going on in my area at the moment.

You can technically go where you like, but if anywhere you went subsequently gets identified as a hotspot then you can end up in quarantine for a couple of weeks. So most people don't go places unless they have to.

See how it goes over this month I guess. Obviously major disruption if it hits the scheduled back-to-school dates. Government by as already signaled that school opening is contingent on low infection numbers.

yeah, they've pretty much suggested people don't leave their province for this reason. I cancelled a trip to HZ which would've been fine but I don't wanna end up in quarantine.

That said, the Pudong cluster seems to be contained and jiangsu is trending down. I think it's mostly bad because Delta is so much more easy to spread, 94 cases yesterday which is a new high.

From what I've read a lot of heads must be rolling in Jiangsu rn between the initial outbreaks now stemming from the Nanjing airport (which seems to have been made worse by lax testing/contact tracing initially) and the woman who basically escaped nanjing to travel to yangzhou, and used a fake QR code and go to a mahjong parlor, basically causing basically the whole yangzhou outbreak.

Basically all the people checking QR codes rn in Shanghai are asking for you to open the code in front of them probably cuz of that.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Ailumao posted:

From what I've read a lot of heads must be rolling in Jiangsu rn between the initial outbreaks now stemming from the Nanjing airport (which seems to have been made worse by lax testing/contact tracing initially) and the woman who basically escaped nanjing to travel to yangzhou, and used a fake QR code and go to a mahjong parlor, basically causing basically the whole yangzhou outbreak.

Mahjong also responsible for a few small clusters/spread in Taiwan as I recall, and I'd bet there was spread from it in SG etc.

Motherfuckers just gotta go and game no matter what

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Ailumao posted:

yeah, they've pretty much suggested people don't leave their province for this reason. I cancelled a trip to HZ which would've been fine but I don't wanna end up in quarantine.

That said, the Pudong cluster seems to be contained and jiangsu is trending down. I think it's mostly bad because Delta is so much more easy to spread, 94 cases yesterday which is a new high.

From what I've read a lot of heads must be rolling in Jiangsu rn between the initial outbreaks now stemming from the Nanjing airport (which seems to have been made worse by lax testing/contact tracing initially) and the woman who basically escaped nanjing to travel to yangzhou, and used a fake QR code and go to a mahjong parlor, basically causing basically the whole yangzhou outbreak.

Basically all the people checking QR codes rn in Shanghai are asking for you to open the code in front of them probably cuz of that.

That does sound very Jiangsu.

And yes, you could always get through checkpoints with a screenshot of a code, because I did every time the app glitched, which was often.

bones 4 beginners
Jan 7, 2018

"...a masterpiece that no one can read too often, or admire too much."

LimburgLimbo posted:

Mahjong also responsible for a few small clusters/spread in Taiwan as I recall, and I'd bet there was spread from it in SG etc.

Motherfuckers just gotta go and game no matter what

Time to bring in the big guns if we're to end this mahjong pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDCtFcZj4Dc

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

Atopian posted:

That does sound very Jiangsu.

And yes, you could always get through checkpoints with a screenshot of a code, because I did every time the app glitched, which was often.

The fact every province or even city uses a different code is pretty annoying. The Shanghai code works through Alipay or Wechat and is very solid, loads fast, and is easy to access. When I traveled last year or earlier this year every city had a new app or miniapp and it was completely random if they worked well or not.

Chengdu has an A+ health code app where under the code it shows a panda at home until you get vaccinated when the panda goes on a trip. I thought that was cute and know a couple people who got vaccinated literally to have the cooler panda.

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Ailumao posted:

Chengdu has an A+ health code app where under the code it shows a panda at home until you get vaccinated when the panda goes on a trip. I thought that was cute and know a couple people who got vaccinated literally to have the cooler panda.

This is good public health policy.

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