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Yeah, just the existence of the bug, none of the other stuff. edit: in regards to the ending of Disco Elysium
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Rody One Half posted:I assume the thing he was spoiled on was The Meeting? yeah chat was full of people posting barely disguised spoilers about that event
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Kazzah posted:Yeah, just the existence of the bug, none of the other stuff. poo poo that sucks. My favorite reveal in the game.
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Aug 5, 2021 16:37
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That sucks. Pat's reaction was great. Some people just can't contain themselves. No self control.
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Aug 5, 2021 18:15
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This is why with story heavy games I really prefer the system where the offsider handles chat and censors spoilers for the player. Admittedly this tends to require an offsider who has already played/otherwise spoiled themselves so Reggie couldn't really do it.
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Aug 5, 2021 19:23
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Woolie went hard on the fedora tipping poor plebians believing in cryptids poo poo the instant the topic came up so it's no surprise the woolies in his chat got equally abrasive and defensive, probably why Pat got through spoiler free
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Aug 5, 2021 19:47
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I don't remember which streamer it was but there was someone playing through...I think it was either undertale or subnautica, and they had their chat moderator who had played the game filtering specific questions and tips from chat to help them along or ask questions without spoiling anything. that worked out really well. wish I could remember the specific stream though.
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Aug 5, 2021 20:34
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i mean this game was exactly what someone like Woolie needed because my god is he poisoned by cynicism. He's barely able to take a position without second guessing himself by arranging every event against all of known human history. And yeah, he got very mean spirited over the cryptozoologists. So its a huge shame that the moment was spoiled because i think he really needed the joy and wonder.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:09
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The lesson here is: never read twitch chat
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Aug 5, 2021 21:31
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I REALLY hope either a fan or Pat hires someone to do compilations for his Mass Effect runs. at the very least a clip compilation of all the poo poo flying apart and breaking all the time. and things like this: https://clips.twitch.tv/AcceptableDoubtfulQuailPanicBasket-EGvGA2PtDD99Gf2l
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Aug 10, 2021 00:58
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Captain Invictus posted:I REALLY hope either a fan or Pat hires someone to do compilations for his Mass Effect runs. at the very least a clip compilation of all the poo poo flying apart and breaking all the time. One thing I hated about ME2 and ME3 is that the spacebar was the "do everything" button. You can sprint, take cover, vault, and interact with things all with the spacebar with no official way to keybind those functions to other buttons.
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Aug 10, 2021 04:31
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Podcast is taking 3 weeks off for Woolie’s honeymoon
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Aug 10, 2021 23:45
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Kazzah posted:Podcast is taking 3 weeks off for Woolie’s honeymoon WHY DIDN'T HE TELL US THERE WAS A WEDDING??
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Aug 10, 2021 23:48
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Grouchio posted:OH SHI- BEcause of posts like this
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Grouchio posted:OH SHI- Privacy I expect.
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Aug 11, 2021 06:55
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Kazzah posted:Podcast is taking 3 weeks off for Woolie’s honeymoon Nice, will look forward to hearing what kind of wild poo poo Woolie will have story wise after that. Maybe I'll actually be caught up with the podcast by the time they're back!
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Aug 11, 2021 08:44
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Grouchio posted:OH SHI- i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the super best friends are not your super best friends
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Aug 11, 2021 12:47
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Man this spoilercast Like At least Woolie liked it, but Disco Elysium is so unsubtle but so excellent in its messaging that seeing failure to fully comprehend that messaging is so frustrating. And Pat is somewhat guilty of it too although less so
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I don't know if they ever said what "big picture" message or themes they took away from it were, other than a story about a beleaguered cop in an alternate world. That stuff feels the most unsubtle, how it's trying to say that the course of history isn't written in indelible stone, even if the forces in contention are huge and unfathomable, change begins with community and solidarity, etc. via the stickbug and all. I will say, the minor conversations and smaller characters I think can have multiple readings based on the player and their Harry, and that stuff doesn't seem so obviosuly cut and dry. In the end I really appreciate how slow Woolie took it, and how he and Reggie seemed to genuinely pay full attention to the material and take it all in. I can't hold it against them that they're not erudite English literature professors, even if I like my interpretations better than theirs. Reggie was vital to this lp.
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Aug 11, 2021 13:43
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I also listened to part of a podcast Abnormal Mapping about the game and they pissed me off with their opinions unaligned with mine. What I felt was obvious they missed, and what they took issue with I felt was addressed or didn't see as a problem. That's just how this poo poo is.
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Aug 11, 2021 13:45
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The Reading that really infuriates me, because it's not really reading, Is the assertion that the world is just crazy in Harry's response to it/rationality applies only because it's this crazy sci-fi world, when the entire point is that all of that is just metaphor that maps directly on the real world. The world treats you as crazy if you look at the forces that both run and destroy it and demand that they change.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:08
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Yeah that eludes lots of people on real life who should have learned it by now. How can people continue to look at the frightening acceptance of the current status quo by corporations and political bodies around the world, and blame it on a few corrupt politicians or extremist factions, rather than being the explicit intention and result of exercising power through economic control. Woolie and Pat are cool, but political normies, and this stuff just doesn't penetrate a lot of people's range of acceptable possibilities.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:24
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Not trying to be a prick or condescending, but I watched every bit of their playthrough and I have opinions.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:25
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There's also the failure to fully process the point of the Deserter. Yes he is at large an example of revolutions' darker tendencies and in the micro a madman that you have to deal with regardless of the way you go, but he is also meant to be the physical embodiment of all the pain that has been inflicted on revechol for decades. The stripping of autonomy, The removal of resources, everything that neoliberal imperialism has done is meant to be embodied in this one character. But Woolie just kind of dismisses him as "yeah yeah crazy guy/this is the real face of communism" E: And yeah there's a lot more to say here than like, "Oh man I can't believe Pat/Woolie missed this menu option in Mass Effect/didn't find the secret butthole hidden on level 5 of Doom" Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 16:32
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Matt showing his politics more nowadays has only made me like him more, he retweets and occasionally comments on very leftist stuff and like has been very clear about strongly supporting LGBT people.
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Rody One Half posted:E: And yeah there's a lot more to say here than like, "Oh man I can't believe Pat/Woolie missed this menu option in Mass Effect/didn't find the secret butthole hidden on level 5 of Doom" Hold on now, John Romero’s butthole is in Doom?
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I don't think Disco Elysium is actual very good at convincing people who don't already share the games political perspective. Yes, within the setting, Moralism will never solve the problems and everything is doomed without a revolution. But the game is written by people who want that revolution. It would be kind of weird for them to say otherwise. Within the reality of a Chick Tract, all atheists might actually worship Satan but I don't have to respect that either.
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Aug 11, 2021 17:38
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If they proffered a disagreement on those grounds that would be one thing. I just think they didn't dwell on the overriding political and social message and took more interest in the human interest stuff and window dressing. I did consider that the game allows you to be satisfied and feel like a good person in the end, regardless of being a socialist revolutionary or not. (maybe not in the fascist one). That's probably a strength of the game, but at the same time I do feel like they supply ample concrete reasoning for the socialist line of thinking.
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Aug 11, 2021 17:54
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Honestly think the message at least politically is the flaws in political systems. Something HAS to give in Revachol and none of the philosophies presented are really solution which keeps people lost. Granted I only played through once.
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Aug 11, 2021 18:22
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Big Moralism Posting ITT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l-zOD5ilao gently caress chat.
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Aug 12, 2021 00:23
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Woolie and Chat are no longer Friends.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Honestly think the message at least politically is the flaws in political systems. Something HAS to give in Revachol and none of the philosophies presented are really solution which keeps people lost. i mean communism has a solution. It was so much of a solution the forces of capital razed it to the ground and salted the earth. Yeah bits of the communism presented in disco, were hosed up. If the FELD story is to be believed, civilians were just getting lined up and shot. But, if you do nothing, which is the moralist solution to everything, the capitalism grinds up humanity forever and kills way more than the communists shot. I feel reducing Disco's politics to 'all the ideologies are bad' is literally the danger of the moralist ideology. Tie yourself up so much trying to find the one true perfect ideology that you just reject everything and declare yourself a 'humanist'. While the world burns around you. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Aug 12, 2021 02:33
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Literally according to everyone including the last encounter says the communists were capping people left and right. Remember the devs are from Estonia they know very well how bad poo poo can get. We're coloring communism as the solution because of the political leanings of this forum so we see it as the solution in Disco. They don't present a softer solution so that's where we go. Moralism has also failed in Revachol. The devs both want you to take a stand and recognize the mass of failure all around. A sort of contradictory place to put you. It's not that they're all bad it's that they've all failed. Something new has to take hold in that powder keg and we're left wondering what that will be. Going to amend my opinion it's primarily about failure. It's about failure. Yours, the locals, ideologies, politicians. The rest is up to us to color in as we project it. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Aug 12, 2021 02:42
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The devs literally thanked Marx and Engels when getting a reward. They have a side here.7c Nickel posted:I don't think Disco Elysium is actual very good at convincing people who don't already share the games political perspective. Yes, within the setting, Moralism will never solve the problems and everything is doomed without a revolution. But the game is written by people who want that revolution. It would be kind of weird for them to say otherwise. Within the reality of a Chick Tract, all atheists might actually worship Satan but I don't have to respect that either.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:00
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everyone believes in the death of the author, until they don’t
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The devs are commies, but the game is pretty clear in saying the Soviet Marxist-Leninist model isn't really that great either and musing about how True Communism might as well be impossible to build. It's just the average Online Communist has trouble with leftists that write nuanced poo poo about communism in pop culture.
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Well yeah, as I said, writer's Estonian, he knows how it can go. But it's also very clear that while "True Communism" might be impossible to even conceive, nevermind achieve, that impossibility doesn't mean fighting for it is meaningless. and in the fiction, there's literally a second uprising coming
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There's a Galeano quote that I feel defines the game pretty well, I'm paraphrasing here but it goes something like "why do we walk towards the horizon if we can never reach it? Simple, so that we keep walking forward"
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