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Sonic Dude posted:Far be it from me to rain on the poo poo-on-Tesla parade, but after owning one for a little over a week I just don’t see the reason for it. I’m absolutely not a diehard Tesla fan, and if Ford dealers weren’t actively seeking to avoid selling anyone a Mach-E (no, I don’t want a hybrid Escape), I probably would have ended up with one of those instead. Maybe if it's not a self driving car then they shouldn't call it "autopilot" and just call it lane keeping assist and adaptive cruise control like every other automaker and not try and fleece thousands of dollars from their customers peddling features that don't exist.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:18
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Strabo4 posted:cool story. hope your family doesn't get locked in and immolated FCKGW posted:Maybe if it's not a self driving car then they shouldn't call it "autopilot" and just call it lane keeping assist and adaptive cruise control like every other automaker and not try and fleece thousands of dollars from their customers peddling features that don't exist. Absolutely this. Calling adaptive cruise “autopilot” and auto-lane change “full self driving” is insane and I can only imagine how much their corporate liability insurance wants them to change it.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:19
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I myself will carry you to the gates of the job site You will build eternal, matte and weather-resistant
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Aug 5, 2021 21:19
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Phanatic posted:1. Power steering is a convenience, not a necessity, and it is entirely possible to steer a car without power steering all day long. Especially at highway speeds, where you barely need to move the wheel at all to do things like change lanes or get over on the shoulder. Are you trying to argue that turning off the engine should be attempted before hitting the brakes or putting the car in neutral, or are you just trying to talk until everyone else gets bored and you can claim victory to yourself? If you can find a recent case where someone was actually pressing the brakes and couldn't stop their car that might go a long way towards convincing anyone that you aren't just wasting everyone's time because you like keys.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:27
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Sonic Dude posted:they’re safer in an EV than the vehicles with 15 gallons of gasoline Hahahaha, it takes 25,000 gallons of water to put out the lithium fire from the vape pen batteries, so do what the poster above suggested and keep break out tools with saw attachments.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:28
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why are so many people online willing to jump in front of a bullet/broken angle grinder cutoff disc for Tesla
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Aug 5, 2021 21:33
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Real talk: Musk actually talked in an aspirational way about technology, which is way rarer than it should be in our world. We all know it was a scam for attention and government contracts, but that doesn't change that what he said actually resonated with people who grew up on scifi showing amazing tech doing awesome things.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:37
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Monkey Fracas posted:why are so many people online willing to jump in front of a bullet/broken angle grinder cutoff disc for Tesla Tesla can sink or swim on their own merits, but EVs as a whole are absolutely going to be A Thing™ from now on, and spreading garbage about them being death traps or murdering children in their sleep isn’t useful to anyone. I’m happy to talk about the dumb poo poo Tesla does, but what’s actually useful is to help educate people on why perception doesn’t always equal reality.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:40
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Contrary to popular belief, you do not have to hand it to billionaires, ever.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:40
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Monkey Fracas posted:why are so many people online willing to jump in front of a bullet/broken angle grinder cutoff disc for Tesla Weird. It's almost as if they have a Tesla of their own, and thought it would be helpful to share their perspective on the company. Nah. Tesla's only bad.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:43
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Cat Hatter posted:Are you trying to argue that turning off the engine should be attempted before hitting the brakes or putting the car in neutral, or are you just trying to talk until everyone else gets bored and you can claim victory to yourself? I thought I was pretty clear on what I was arguing: changing ubiquitous and universally-understood user interfaces for marketing reasons is dumb and bad. quote:If you can find a recent case where someone was actually pressing the brakes and couldn't stop their car that might go a long way towards convincing anyone that you aren't just wasting everyone's time because you like keys. The thing that kicked off the whole Toyota recall was specifically a CHP officer in a borrowed ES350 who failed to stop the car with the brakes. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-oct-25-na-toyota-crash25-story.html quote:The report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration draws no conclusions about the cause of the Aug. 28 accident, but discloses new details, including the fact that the brakes were heavily damaged. That would seem to confirm a frantic 911 call made by Saylor’s brother-in-law from the speeding car, during which he said, “There’s no brakes.”... And, no, this was not an "old person who can't find the correct pedal and then blames the computer."
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Aug 5, 2021 21:43
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LifeSunDeath posted:Contrary to popular belief, you do not have to hand it to billionaires, ever. but I have been told my entire life that if I hand everything to them that they'll graciously hand some of it back to me...
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Aug 5, 2021 21:44
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Toyota chat: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1043632_those-two-so-called-runaway-prius-cases-cars-not-at-fault https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a16576573/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration/
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Aug 5, 2021 21:46
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Monkey Fracas posted:why are so many people online willing to jump in front of a bullet/broken angle grinder cutoff disc for Tesla When it comes to autopilot, you have a bunch of giant nerds dreaming of the day perfect self driving will save a billion lives, and acting like progress is a bar that fills up over time. The logical conclusion of that is that any self-driving attempts are ridiculously valuable and that criticism is harmful. If you're talking about Tesla in general, it's more that everyone loves to argue, and also people that poo poo on the cars often go beyond the actual problems. If you don't use autopilot, the cars are pretty safe despite the stupid design decisions. When a product has features as dumb as those doors it makes sense to guess that everything else is a deathtrap too, but in practice it seems like most of the features are fine and then musk sticks his head in and demands a couple really awful ideas.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:47
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Azathoth posted:Real talk: Musk actually talked in an aspirational way about technology, which is way rarer than it should be in our world. We all know it was a scam for attention and government contracts, but that doesn't change that what he said actually resonated with people who grew up on scifi showing amazing tech doing awesome things. Right yes, and it resonated enough to create false optimism about the feasibility of Tesla autopilot
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Aug 5, 2021 22:00
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hellotoothpaste posted:Right yes, and it resonated enough to create false optimism about the feasibility of Tesla autopilot Oh I'm not saying be believed a thing he was saying and wasn't willing to literally kill people by calling his poo poo something it obviously isn't, just that people are way willing to go to bat for Ol' Musky than any other company because they desperately want to believe in a future that isn't 0.4% better mileage than last model year and a redesigned grill as being the big advancements every year.
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Aug 5, 2021 22:11
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Azathoth posted:Oh I'm not saying be believed a thing he was saying and wasn't willing to literally kill people by calling his poo poo something it obviously isn't, just that people are way willing to go to bat for Ol' Musky than any other company because they desperately want to believe in a future that isn't 0.4% better mileage than last model year and a redesigned grill as being the big advancements every year. Yeah, that makes sense. I wish he didn’t steal the controls to that boat, cuz I’m on it.
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Aug 5, 2021 22:12
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I forgot this wasn't AI so not everybody in here is aware that all new cars are mandated to loving suck from the factory.
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Aug 5, 2021 22:29
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Phanatic posted:I thought I was pretty clear on what I was arguing: changing ubiquitous and universally-understood user interfaces for marketing reasons is dumb and bad. That might have been the original point, but when confronted with opposing arguments that putting the ignition switch on the dash is not unique to buttons and turning off the car should be second to last on the emergency procedure list right above "try to hit something soft", you started arguing about how "no, having full braking and steering power isn't that important actually". If you can't find a case more recent than 12 years ago, I'm going to assume this is not a common problem. Also, from what I've seen, that car has a traditional shift lever and he could have been shifted into neutral. Not to mention that, as PhotoKirk's Car And Driver article shows, firmly pressing the brakes is enough to stop a car even if it has significantly more power than that cop's loaner Lexus.
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Aug 5, 2021 22:37
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Sonic Dude posted:that they know how to operate the door handle which is literally 4 inches from the shiny “open door” button. What do you think that door handle will do if you are in a situation where your car is on fire and there's no power? Sonic Dude posted:Tesla can sink or swim on their own merits, but EVs as a whole are absolutely going to be A Thing™ from now on, and spreading garbage about them being death traps or murdering children in their sleep isn’t useful to anyone. I’m happy to talk about the dumb poo poo Tesla does, but what’s actually useful is to help educate people on why perception doesn’t always equal reality. Yes, there are well made EVs that have standard safety features. Tesla isn't one of them.
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Aug 5, 2021 22:46
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Z the IVth posted:I was reading a recommendation not to charge past 80% regularly anyway to preserve battery life?
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Aug 5, 2021 22:50
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Cat Hatter posted:That might have been the original point, but when confronted with opposing arguments that putting the ignition switch on the dash is not unique to buttons and turning off the car should be second to last on the emergency procedure list right above "try to hit something soft", I specifically said it’s not about the placement of the control, it’s about the behavior of the control. Changing from a key to a button is just as dumb as changing how door handles work or how the steering wheel is shaped. quote:you started arguing about how "no, having full braking and steering power isn't that important actually". My comment on braking is that while, yes, you lose vacuum boost after a couple of pedal applications, that’s irrelevant in the case of runaway acceleration because if you make more than a couple of pedal applications you’re going to lose your brakes anyway and fail to stop the car quote:If you can't find a case more recent than 12 years ago, I'm going to assume this is not a common problem. Also, from what I've seen, that car has a traditional shift lever and he could have been shifted into neutral. These things can all be true: 1. Runaway acceleration is not a common problem. 2. When it does happen it’s most frequently a person who confused the accelerator and the brake. 3. Changing the interface for stopping the car from a key to a button is dumb because it makes it harder for people to turn off their cars in an emergency. quote:Not to mention that, as PhotoKirk's Car And Driver article shows, firmly pressing the brakes is enough to stop a car even if it has significantly more power than that cop's loaner Lexus. Did you notice upthread where I said that brakes exert way more torque than the engine and how if you use them properly they’ll stop a runaway car? The point is that people sometimes don’t use them properly, and then we gently caress around with the tools that they need to use next. It’s dumb. Just like changing mechanical door handles to electronic ones that require you to use some other new, hidden tool to operate in the event that something bad happens.
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Aug 5, 2021 22:51
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The OSHA thread considers nearly every risk to be an actual thing that will happen to them personally. Just don't mention Tesla. It doesnt work. You get red texts. They don't do Bayes. They don't know who that is. They use flip phones. "You can get viruses on iOS!" they cry. I drew a picture for the regular OSHA thread posters: 
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Aug 5, 2021 22:54
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CarForumPoster posted:The OSHA thread considers nearly every risk to be an actual thing that will happen to them personally. Just don't mention Tesla. It doesnt work. You get red texts. whoa
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Aug 5, 2021 23:06
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hey tesla owners, I have a question in good faith: how do you turn off all the stupid meme poo poo? i've seen "more cowbell mode" activated accidentally on the freeway and it would be great if there was a way to not have that happen
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Aug 5, 2021 23:07
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Think of it like this: Some tesla drivers are probably workers right (not just idle rich)? This thread is all about worker safety. Boom.
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Aug 5, 2021 23:07
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It's only a matter of time until people figure out how to be the 21st century equivalent of wreckers. Hang up some coloured lanterns and spraypaint some white lines on the road, and wait for the next Tesla to drive itself into a tree. Grab the driver's rolex, and leave before the lithium ion batteries cook off and incinerate the evidence.
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Aug 5, 2021 23:11
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Soylent Yellow posted:It's only a matter of time until people figure out how to be the 21st century equivalent of wreckers. Hang up some coloured lanterns and spraypaint some white lines on the road, and wait for the next Tesla to drive itself into a tree. Grab the driver's rolex, and leave before the lithium ion batteries cook off and incinerate the evidence. This sounds like a good scam until you concuss yourself running into the "tunnel" you just painted onto a brick wall.
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Aug 5, 2021 23:12
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:What do you think that door handle will do if you are in a situation where your car is on fire and there's no power? My vehicle has more safety features and a better crash test rating than my wife’s mid-trim Nissan from 2020. Are there more available features on the planet? Yes, of course, but I don’t feel a particularly compelling need for more than what is there.
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Aug 5, 2021 23:23
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Sonic Dude posted:Uh, it opens the door? It’s literally a handle/latch placed directly above the window controls for if the power is out. I tried it when I first got the car; it opened the door, which coincidentally is the behavior I expected. Now try the back seat
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Aug 5, 2021 23:26
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Now try the back seat
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Aug 5, 2021 23:30
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This is why I only drive pintos, escaping after a crash isn't a concern
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Aug 5, 2021 23:34
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that is dangerous as hell. those sprayers will inject the paint under your skin
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Aug 5, 2021 23:39
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Sonic Dude posted:Yep, pull the wire in the door pocket. Does the same thing. Definitely less convenient and requires a little more brainpower, which is why it doesn’t matter since I don’t have kids to occupy those seats. Can you show.me where that wire is on a Model 3?
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Aug 5, 2021 23:41
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Sonic Dude posted:Yep, pull the wire in the door pocket. Does the same thing. Definitely less convenient and requires a little more brainpower, which is why it doesn’t matter since I don’t have kids to occupy those seats. Doesn’t matter since I don’t have kids 🖕🖕, all you had to say.
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Aug 5, 2021 23:41
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CarForumPoster posted:They don't do Bayes. They don't know who that is. They use flip phones. "You can get viruses on iOS!" they cry. Flip phones? Psh, modern junk. I use a Nokia 3310.  But goddamn, man, going to bat for Tesla? The company that tried to ban yellow safety markings in its factory just because Musk doesn't like that colour? In the loving OSHA thread? Yeah no kidding you're gonna get a redtext, because that's loving stupid.
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Aug 5, 2021 23:50
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Concept: Simply pull the wire in the door pocket to open the door. Reality (Model X): Using the detailed knowledge of the car you definitely possess as a random passenger in the back seat, you prise off the speaker grille on the door with your bare hands and then stick your hand inside to access a hidden, unmarked wire which may be rolled up out of sight. You pull it real hard to unlock the door and lift the heavy rear end door upward and escape. Reality (Model 3): Using the detailed knowledge of the car you definitely possess as a random passenger in the back seat, you prise off the speaker grille and desperately search for a hidden wire you could've sworn you read about somewhere, as smoke fills the air and the floor begins to ignite. You fail to find it because there is no wire. You escape the vehicle in the form of a superheated aerosol
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Aug 6, 2021 00:01
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I don't give a poo poo if someone wants to buy a tesla for themselves. they're mediocre quality cars with some entertaining but ultimately harmless body fitment/quality of life issues and a couple of really stupid user interface decisions but i don't have to deal with them. I probably would recommend that anyone with children avoids purchasing the model 3 or Y, at least. I do give a poo poo that tesla sells an incredibly broken and dangerous "self-driving system" that puts everyone else on the road at risk. It is unconscionable to market and sell the system or operate it on public roads. It should be remotely disabled in every car and Musk personally should be charged with criminal negligence for causing it to be sold.
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Sagebrush posted:I don't give a poo poo if someone wants to buy a tesla for themselves. they're mediocre quality cars with some entertaining but ultimately harmless body fitment/quality of life issues and a couple of really stupid user interface decisions but i don't have to deal with them. I probably would recommend that anyone with children avoids purchasing the model 3 or Y, at least. My heart almost stopped when I saw that it was simply an upgrade in the mobile app
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