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Sunswipe posted:Adam West is one of the few other actors I think could have worked as the lead in Police Squad, provided he played it straight like Batman and not hamming it up like some of his later stuff. Not that there's anything neccessarily wrong with hamming it up, it just wouldn't work for Police Squad. Also a crucial difference between Police Squad and the Naked Gun movies, in which the mugging goes up exponentially with each entry.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:If we're talking about this sort of thing, the best example I know is from Dollhouse which was all about the actors becoming different people each week. Watch Orphan Black, which does something very similar but a) way better and b) isn't the work of a sexpest (that I know of). Also it's a good show in its own right even without the insane acting.
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Ravenfood posted:Watch Orphan Black, which does something very similar but a) way better and b) isn't the work of a sexpest (that I know of). She's going to be playing She-Hulk, right?
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Orphan Black also has Michael Mando aka Vaas from Far Cry 3 aka the only good part of Far Cry 3 anyone really remembers.
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Face/Off would have been amazing if Nic Cage was capable of playing a character other than Nic Cage, because John Travolta is doing a Nic Cage impression for most of the movie and it's great
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Pilchenstein posted:Orphan Black was great for this sort of thing. God yes! And Tom Cavanagh in the Flash and related shows, plays several variations of two different characters and you wouldn't mistake them for each other.
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Inzombiac posted:She's going to be playing She-Hulk, right? Yep!
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Tony Maguire in Spider-Man 3.
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Keromaru5 posted:Also a crucial difference between Police Squad and the Naked Gun movies, in which the mugging goes up exponentially with each entry. Yeah, but at least the scripts I think were written with that in mind. I still enjoy the first two, the third was getting into that sort of Friedberg and Seltzer thing of not really making jokes, just references to other movies.
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Ravenfood posted:Yep! gently caress yeah. She's such a good actor I hope the MCU doesn't waste it.
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Push El Burrito posted:Tony Maguire in Spider-Man 3. *Toby maguire can't act all that well so I don't know if he pulled that off so well. But now after reading the Sopranos thread you've got me imagining James Gandolfini as Eddie Brock lmao.
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flavor.flv posted:Face/Off would have been amazing if Nic Cage was capable of playing a character other than Nic Cage, because John Travolta is doing a Nic Cage impression for most of the movie and it's great Thank you for articulating my thought for me
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flavor.flv posted:Face/Off would have been amazing if Nic Cage was capable of playing a character other than Nic Cage, because John Travolta is doing a Nic Cage impression for most of the movie and it's great I know I'm partially responsible for the start of this conversation but a Cageless Face/Off would have been a very different movie Might have been better, might have been worse, but as it is I watch it for Cage going completely off the loving handle as both Castor Troy and Sean Archer Also the doves And the tiramisu Tangentially one of the things I liked about the Star Trek reboots was that everyone else was doing their own spin on the characters, and then there's Karl Urban, who should have been credited as "Karl Urban as Deforest Kelly as Leonard McCoy" I read once he actually made Nimoy tear up, he was so bang-on
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The only thing wrong with the first two Raimi Spider-Man films is Tobey Maguire. Tom Holland is the best live-action one so far, but even Andrew Garfield from the series everyone has already forgotten about was better than Maguire.
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Maguire was a good Peter Parker but a bad Spiderman whereas Garfield was a good Spiderman but a bad Parker. Holland doesn't count because he's not playing Spiderman, he's Iron Man Jr the drone strike lad.
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That reminds me, the most irritating Nicolas Cage movie moment is the entire beginning of The Rock. He’s so stupid and all of his weird interests have to bleed into his movies he is weird and stupid. Edit: According to Wikipedia he is actually Nicolas Kim Coppola, as in nephew of Francis Ford. That would hopefully explain a lot (like why Nicolas Cage was in movies)
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Zaphod42 posted:*Toby maguire can't act all that well so I don't know if he pulled that off so well. His hair was different and also he danced. Good Spider-Man didn't dance in those movies. Edit: Nicolas Cage is good in the right role. Most recently Pig. Push El Burrito has a new favorite as of 22:14 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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hellotoothpaste posted:That reminds me, the most irritating Nicolas Cage movie moment is the entire beginning of The Rock. He’s so stupid and all of his weird interests have to bleed into his movies he is weird and stupid. He was credited as Nicolas Coppola in Fast Times at Ridgemont High and maybe one other film before he decided on Cage.
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hellotoothpaste posted:That reminds me, the most irritating Nicolas Cage movie moment is the entire beginning of The Rock. He’s so stupid and all of his weird interests have to bleed into his movies he is weird and stupid. There are bad parts of the rock?
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ilmucche posted:There are bad parts of the rock? Face/Off is on MTV2 right now, and I instinctively put it on.
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Nicolas Cage is great in the right movie, where both the film suits him and he's actually trying and not just taking the piss to pay off his debts.
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hellotoothpaste posted:That reminds me, the most irritating Nicolas Cage movie moment is the entire beginning of The Rock. He’s so stupid and all of his weird interests have to bleed into his movies he is weird and stupid. I love that he chose "Cage" for his screen surname from the Luke Cage comics. Alas Netflix/Marvel never thought to cast him in the Luke Cage TV show for that meta moment. r.e. Face/Off: while I wish Cage tried acting more like Travolta like Travolta tried imitating Cage, I think it was still fun. Cage can act, as his latest film Pig shows (I thought he was great in it).
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IIRC, Cage specifically chose to perform as Nicolas Cage so as not to get work just because of the Coppola connection.
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HopperUK posted:God yes! And Tom Cavanagh in the Flash and related shows, plays several variations of two different characters and you wouldn't mistake them for each other. Anna Torv on Fringe did a great job of playing different versions of the same character including a version pretending to be a different version.
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I think these days one of Nicholas Cage's underrated performances is in Raising Arizona.
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hellotoothpaste posted:That reminds me, the most irritating Nicolas Cage movie moment is the entire beginning of The Rock. He’s so stupid and all of his weird interests have to bleed into his movies he is weird and stupid. If the movie didn't establish early on that Stanley Goodspeed was a music lover then calling Captain Darrow "the Rocket Man" right before blasting a rocket straight up his rear end wouldn't have made any sense though?
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The best and most purely Nicolas Cage role is Moonstruck.
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Anyone who says that Nicholas Cage cant act doesnt know what they are talking about. It is however fair to say that while he absolutely can act, sometimes he chooses not to. And honestly, sometimes thats exactly what the script deserves/needs. Like I'm not going to pretend that Drive Angry is a good film on any level, but drat its an entertaining movie.
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SiKboy posted:Anyone who says that Nicholas Cage cant act doesnt know what they are talking about. It is however fair to say that while he absolutely can act, sometimes he chooses not to. And honestly, sometimes thats exactly what the script deserves/needs. Like I'm not going to pretend that Drive Angry is a good film on any level, but drat its an entertaining movie. Let me clarify, he can’t act well at least to my subjective standards as applied to Nicolas Cage.
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Bringing Out the Dead is another underrated Nicolas Cage movie. Underrated Scorcese movie, too. Edit: according to Wikipedia, also the last film to be released on Laserdisc! 
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William fitchner playing Christopher Walken is loving amazing. The only downside to that movie is Amber.
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SiKboy posted:Anyone who says that Nicholas Cage cant act doesnt know what they are talking about. It is however fair to say that while he absolutely can act, sometimes he chooses not to. And honestly, sometimes thats exactly what the script deserves/needs. Like I'm not going to pretend that Drive Angry is a good film on any level, but drat its an entertaining movie. I saw someone talk about Cage saying that he can act but had basically decided that realism in acting is limiting and is instead more like a surrealist actor. I don't know if I'd call Cage the Picasso of acting, but it does paint his actions in a different light.
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Zaphod42 posted:I saw someone talk about Cage saying that he can act but had basically decided that realism in acting is limiting and is instead more like a surrealist actor. I don't know if I'd call Cage the Picasso of acting, but it does paint his actions in a different light. I think as well it kind of depends how hes directed; Sometimes he's been cast because they want oscar winner Nicholas Cage. Other times he's been cast because they want Con Air/Face/Off/The Rock movie star Nic Cage, if you see what I mean? Sometimes you dont want the nuanced performance, sometimes you just need someone to give a performance that the audience are comfortable with (because they've seen it before) and carry your action movie over the line. And, due to a very expensive divorce/tax bills, it happens that action movie Nic Cage is very much available, and probably doesnt even bother reading scripts before agreeing to them.
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Zaphod42 posted:I saw someone talk about Cage saying that he can act but had basically decided that realism in acting is limiting and is instead more like a surrealist actor. I don't know if I'd call Cage the Picasso of acting, but it does paint his actions in a different light.      
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Baron von Eevl posted:Nah it's actually fine and Ray isn't even that bad. Also I will reiterate how great the gator (who I just remembered was amusingly named Louis  ) was. His character arc was basically I'm a gator who just wants to trumpet in a jazz band -> hey these humans are letting me into a band cause they think I'm in costume -> oops, revealed I'm actually a talking gator -> now in a jazz band again for real this time, even though I'm not even pretending to be human anymore, and everyone's OK with thatCrowetron posted:Maguire was a good Peter Parker but a bad Spiderman whereas Garfield was a good Spiderman but a bad Parker.
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Nicolas Cage was really good in Birdy with Matthew Modine (1984) Also in Peggy Sue got Married (1986) directed by his uncle Edit: apparently Jim Carrey was in Peggy Sue Got Married lol Cat Hassler has a new favorite as of 01:08 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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His best movie is Matchstick Men, but I like him in almost everything even if the movie sucks. When I was watching Greenland I found myself thinking "this might be better if it was Nicholas Cage instead of Gerard Butler".
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Yeah, I can be certainly think of some terrible movies he's been in, but I can't think of any that were bad because of him. In fact, more often his batshit performance is the only reason to even watch or remember an otherwise bad movie. Would anyone today even remember Wicker Man or National Treasure if it weren't for Nicolas Cage?
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Nicholas Cage 100% commits to every single role he plays and while sometimes the film sucks anyway frequently it's just amazing. Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call: New Orleans, the movie with two too many titles, is fantastic. Cage plays a drugged-out corrupt cop (Much like Keitel does in Bad Lieutenant, go figure), and his drug-induced hallucinations are shown in-scene, visible only to Cage's character. It's wonderful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVOTx4Lx3pY Now I need to go watch the pig movie.
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Nic Cage will forever be cool and a-ok in my book for Raising Arizona alone.
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