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I'm still going back and forth on whether the tobiroppo are actually defeated. A lot of people (if you can call youtubers and redditors people) are convinced that at the very least Who's who and Sasaki are unliekly to be down, if it's not the case that all of them are just temporarily recovering. I think alot of what is driving this is the idea that has developed that Zoan devil fruit users in general are known to have excellent endurance and recovery from injuries, although I'm hard pressed to think of great examples of this pre Wano arc outside of Jack and arguably Rob Lucci. I am cheering for them to not be done as I really think we could get more from Usopp, Nami, Franky, Brook and Jinbe.. Robin's fight i'm completely satisficed with  We did get that panel of the bird watching Black Maria get scrunched, that network of spies is tied back to CP-0 at the moment so I wonder if that implies that they will be entering into a more active role in the fight now that the Tobiroppo have apparently had their turn. At the very least I hope there's a page where they discuss the tobiroppo dropping and maybe tie a definitive bow on those fights lol
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Aug 6, 2021 21:05
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Starsfan posted:I'm still going back and forth on whether the tobiroppo are actually defeated. A lot of people (if you can call youtubers and redditors people) are convinced that at the very least Who's who and Sasaki are unliekly to be down, if it's not the case that all of them are just temporarily recovering. I think alot of what is driving this is the idea that has developed that Zoan devil fruit users in general are known to have excellent endurance and recovery from injuries, although I'm hard pressed to think of great examples of this pre Wano arc outside of Jack and arguably Rob Lucci. I think Black Maria and Ulti are done, but not Who's Who, Sasaki, or Page One.
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Aug 6, 2021 21:13
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i think that the tobi roppo are down for the count for the rest of the arc. the strawhats job is now to turn the odds of a several thousand defect in the fight to something surmountable
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So, going by the Jump Cover, Bleach is back? One Piece Manga Thread: This new Devilman no Uta cover slaps Good thing Brook was the one to see the huge devil titties, since he doesn't have to worry about putting his eyes back in his head. Last Celebration posted:I don’t think it’s armament cause usually it’s more of a glossy metal black, although I kinda did for a second. Be glad to be wrong though, it’s gonna feel kinda silly when the Strawhats square up against Blackbeard’s crew and the only one of the Middle Four that can do it is Sanji. It was definitely haki because you could see the lines on her arms where the coating ended. Also her exhaustion after going full Devilchild is very similar to Luffy post Gear 5. Paper Lion posted:i saw an interesting theory that the real reason the WG was so horny for the gum gum fruit is because it ties into the 2 research topics theyve been shown to be fixated on most over the series: devil fruit powers being passed on to other people/objects, and gigantification. its also interesting to point out that luffy gigantifies his arm at the start of the arc to intercept the sumo palm thrust like it would inflate in gear 3, but he never actually inflates his arm, it just...gets bigger without any external stimulus, the way katakuri's arm were able to embiggen. The only reason that being a rubber man has any value at all is Luffy spend a decade or so figuring out how to do something with it. If you go back and look at what the base level of the abilities are when he was a kid, it actually made him weaker. The only upside without massive creativity and dedicated training to the Gum Gum fruit is immunity to all non-slashing damage. Every other fruit comes with innate instruction on how to do things with it. Luffy on the other hand whole cloth invented all his gun and gear moves. However, if the WG/Navy knew about Enel having the lightning fruit then getting the Gum Gum would have strategic value. Assuming it wasn't for some sort of industrial use via Vega Punk.
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Aug 6, 2021 21:36
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Julias posted:Most of what I saw online was cool with the robin stuff, but were worried that aging up momo would power him up to be just as strong as Oden or a scabbard without him having any formal training. Basically worrying about hypotheticals that ruin their powerscaling. Basically people not having fun enjoying the ride, and nitpicking story details. I'm hoping that Momo does get strong as a result - reddit nerds handwringing about power scaling be damned. At no point is it ever implied that Oden trained to be as strong as he was, in fact quite the opposite, in his herculean introduction it's stated that he was killing bears and slumming it in brothels since childhood. Having adult Momo be strong like Oden would actually clear up the concerns I've had about Yamato setting sail with the crew, in addition to bringing to fruition the playful rivalry between Luffy and Momo.
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Aug 6, 2021 21:50
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It's not like you've got to add very much to Momo's age to get his body to a point where it's "strong". Probably only need to add 5-7 years to get him to close enough to be old enough to be a pre-timeskip Strawhat for him to be strong enough. Gonna be real hard to share a bath with the ladies afterwards though. The greatest of sacrifices for his country.
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Aug 6, 2021 22:00
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Gyges posted:So, going by the Jump Cover, Bleach is back? Luffy's fruit is also an outlier because it's a permanent transformation to his whole body. I'm sure there are others, but none immediately come to mind. Pekoms and Kuma had permanent changes to part of them, while others like Buggy/Daz Bones/Katakuri can turn theirs on and off. A Bug fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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Gyges posted:The only reason that being a rubber man has any value at all is Luffy spend a decade or so figuring out how to do something with it. If you go back and look at what the base level of the abilities are when he was a kid, it actually made him weaker. The only upside without massive creativity and dedicated training to the Gum Gum fruit is immunity to all non-slashing damage. im not saying they wanted it for any combat capability. im just noting that we know for a fact the WG has an obsession with gigantification experiments, and they have been shown failing them repeatedly. various characters have mentioned it, and we even saw the failed experiments on those kids in punk hazard. luffy's fruit going missing also matches the timeline we know of where vegapunk starts getting interested in transferring fruit powers to other people or things. im not saying we know the reason why the WG cares about gigantification or anything, just that i think it's a plausible reason why they'd have wanted the fruit that doesn't have some bullshit fate or destiny reason that would turn a lot of people off.
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Paper Lion posted:im not saying they wanted it for any combat capability. im just noting that we know for a fact the WG has an obsession with gigantification experiments, and they have been shown failing them repeatedly. various characters have mentioned it, and we even saw the failed experiments on those kids in punk hazard. luffy's fruit going missing also matches the timeline we know of where vegapunk starts getting interested in transferring fruit powers to other people or things. im not saying we know the reason why the WG cares about gigantification or anything, just that i think it's a plausible reason why they'd have wanted the fruit that doesn't have some bullshit fate or destiny reason that would turn a lot of people off. Was the WG really ever all that interested in gigantification? Vegapunk worked on it presumably with government funding, but the character most interested in the project seems to be Big Mom.
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A Bug posted:Luffy's fruit is also an outlier because it's a permanent transformation to his whole body. I'm sure there are others, but none immediately come to mind. Yeah, being on the very weird border between Paramecia and Logia is pretty unique for rubber boy. Paper Lion posted:im not saying they wanted it for any combat capability. im just noting that we know for a fact the WG has an obsession with gigantification experiments, and they have been shown failing them repeatedly. various characters have mentioned it, and we even saw the failed experiments on those kids in punk hazard. luffy's fruit going missing also matches the timeline we know of where vegapunk starts getting interested in transferring fruit powers to other people or things. im not saying we know the reason why the WG cares about gigantification or anything, just that i think it's a plausible reason why they'd have wanted the fruit that doesn't have some bullshit fate or destiny reason that would turn a lot of people off. The thing is that there is nothing about the fruit that would lead anyone to think it could be used for anything in the vicinity of gigantification though. That's entirely a side effect of Luffy's very special brain running into a couple giants before trying to think up cool power up moves after Aokiji beat him. On paper, likely in any previous records of usage, the Gum Gum just makes you kind of droopy and stretchy while being able to tank all types of blunt force trauma.
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My thoughts when reading this chapter:
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Paper Lion posted:im not saying they wanted it for any combat capability. im just noting that we know for a fact the WG has an obsession with gigantification experiments, and they have been shown failing them repeatedly. various characters have mentioned it, and we even saw the failed experiments on those kids in punk hazard. luffy's fruit going missing also matches the timeline we know of where vegapunk starts getting interested in transferring fruit powers to other people or things. im not saying we know the reason why the WG cares about gigantification or anything, just that i think it's a plausible reason why they'd have wanted the fruit that doesn't have some bullshit fate or destiny reason that would turn a lot of people off. RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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Aug 6, 2021 23:00
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ill just link to the one piece wiki about the concept, where they cite volumes for a lot of these assertions. like how the WG has been working on the technology for literal centuries and its something they're absolutely interested in to a frankly bizarre degree, or how the experiements that ended up being recruited to kaido as the numbers were all from around 20 years ago and considered failures, showing this was actively being pursued when the WG had possession of the gum gum, and all the other times it's come up in the story https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Gigantification
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Aug 6, 2021 23:09
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Paper Lion posted:i totally forgot to post the second half of the gigantification post, and the actual point of it: i want luffy to gigantify someone, either momo or yamato or himself to hold up onigashima so it parallels oden holding his retainers on his back in the pot How would Luffy gigantify someone else? That’s not how his power works
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Ubiquitus posted:How would Luffy gigantify someone else? That’s not how his power works awakened devil fruit
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Paper Lion posted:ill just link to the one piece wiki about the concept, where they cite volumes for a lot of these assertions. like how the WG has been working on the technology for literal centuries and its something they're absolutely interested in to a frankly bizarre degree, or how the experiements that ended up being recruited to kaido as the numbers were all from around 20 years ago and considered failures, showing this was actively being pursued when the WG had possession of the gum gum, and all the other times it's come up in the story https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Gigantification This is all genuinely interesting
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yeah i wouldnt be shocked if the ancient kingdom was made of giants and they gave the wg a huge run for their money
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So Robin is using Busoshoku Haki right? Also Bane called and he wants his move back. Somebody fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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Jose posted:This is all genuinely interesting the thing that helped clinch it for me was remembering that when sengoku saw luffy do his luffy poo poo, he literally called it out as the term gigantification and seemed surprised. man was high up enough to know some poo poo
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Paper Lion posted:awakened devil fruit Explain. We haven’t seen any awakened users transferring their power into someone else
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we've also only seen more standard paramecia types and zoans use it. as stated earlier on the page, luffy's fruit is pretty weird even for a paramecia and there's no telling what it can do, or what the limits of awakening even are. i think its foolish to think anything luffy could do would be constrained by things we've already seen when he's entirely about busting beyond limits and doing whatever the gently caress he wants
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anime was right posted:yeah i wouldnt be shocked if the ancient kingdom was made of giants and they gave the wg a huge run for their money yeah i'm fairly on this side theory wise as well. it'd also explain the big hat lol, and makes sense that elbaf is kinda similar to wano in that it's really its own, undisturbed place giants were really really important at one pt in this timeline. the whole oars continent puller stuff makes me think that even more
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Scholtz posted:big if true
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Scholtz posted:big if true
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Scholtz posted:big if true 
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I think the four highest Numbers are left, though I also think Page One and Who’s Who might get back up. Hawkins, Apoo, Jack, Queen, King and Perospero are all still active as well.
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i love how much poignant cross-pollination of signature moves from friends and factions is being performed with various characters' arsenals in cool ways distinct to that character's style or powers also similarly echoing that one post about the strawhats embracing the scars of their pasts directly in battle. the chibi old man meme was cute and all but i really hope 'hell yea im a freak' teen chopper makes an upgraded comeback this arc and hes not just left with 'monster point but it lasts somewhat longer' in the fact of everything the rest of the crew has had going on lol
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Holy wow, whole lotta people seemed to have forgotten it’s not Monday with all these untagged spoilers.A Bug posted:Luffy's fruit is also an outlier because it's a permanent transformation to his whole body. I'm sure there are others, but none immediately come to mind. Chop Chop makes Buggy a chop chop man forever, and Alvida’s whole body changed with Smooth Smooth. The earliest fruits feel like they’re geared to change your body forever which itself is a sort of curse compared to later Paramecias just being more conventional super powers.
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Last Celebration posted:Holy wow, whole lotta people seemed to have forgotten it’s not Monday with all these untagged spoilers. Pretty sure that Katakuri is a mochi man in exactly the same way that Luffy is a rubber man. Like, that's the whole point.
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Robin: Brook, I'm already a demon. Heaven wasn't my kind of place anyway.
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Aurora posted:it's both thematically and literally his moment to 'grow up' and also so he can become the leader wano needs without people being apprehensive about baby child leader I don't feel like this is a good solution to that problem though. He'll still be a scared 8 year old child but in a much older (potentially adult) body, which is pretty disturbing really. He already has the respect of the samurai army, between his speech at the prison, and the bravery he showed in front of them while a captive of Kanjuro and later when he was facing execution. It's more important for him to grow up mentally and emotionally than physically right now, that's the lesson Luffy has been trying to impart on him this whole time. As for the powerup 'argument', even if he gets some base strength/size increases he's not going to have the skills or experience required for him to actually be of use in this fight. He won't have be familiar in his new body, won't have haki, and won't even be any better at using his dragon form. The most he could possibly hope for is to give Kaido a momentary shock as he sees another large dragon and/or someone resembling Oden. It might have made more sense if Momo had done this when he first arrived back at Wano and if he'd trained intensely since then. This just feels like it'd be a big misstep on so many levels, so I really hope Luffy intervenes and shuts it down before it happens.
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jassa posted:I don't feel like this is a good solution to that problem though. He'll still be a scared 8 year old child but in a much older (potentially adult) body, which is pretty disturbing really. I mean, he only wants to do it so he can carry everyone back up to Onigashima, I don't think he's planning on taking down Kaido singlehandedly or anything. He can do that and contribute to the victory without needing to suddenly gain a bunch of fighting skill and courage or whatever. Heck, just flying up there would be a big step, what with his fear of heights!
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has Shinobu ever used her powers on a human being before? Not in the story atleast, where it was assumed by the fanbase that her ripe ripe fruit only worked on inanimate objects.. this seems like it would be an insanely dangerous thing to try for the first time on someone... I mean I know we're talking storybook magical manga logic here, but wouldn't causing some biological organism to age 18 years instantaneously cause all the cells in it's body to die? By what mechanism would he "grow" into a much larger adult, all we've seen so far is Shinobu using her power to make things crumble or rot away into nothingness. all i'm saying is maybe she should do a test run on a baby bird or something like that first lol... maybe Caribou has a pet in his storage
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Well hody and friends got aged into rickety old men and they didnt die.
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Starsfan posted:has Shinobu ever used her powers on a human being before? Not in the story atleast, where it was assumed by the fanbase that her ripe ripe fruit only worked on inanimate objects.. this seems like it would be an insanely dangerous thing to try for the first time on someone... I mean I know we're talking storybook magical manga logic here, but wouldn't causing some biological organism to age 18 years instantaneously cause all the cells in it's body to die? By what mechanism would he "grow" into a much larger adult, all we've seen so far is Shinobu using her power to make things crumble or rot away into nothingness. Not to mention that if she can use it on people she could've used it to fight(Would Kaido be as strong if aged 50 years? Though he can probably resist it with Haki). Maybe it's too slow for that. RatHat fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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