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BonHair posted:
Don't underestimate the lingering impact of the Great Patriotic War. According to Wikipedia about 27 million Soviets dies during WW2, out of a population of 192 million (in 1941). Now not all would be of child bearing age, but the fighting age population was heavily hit. So there are fewer people to have babies after the war, and every 25/30 years after. Fewer babies around 1950 leads to fewer grandbabies in the late 70s, and fewer great grand babies around 2000. Which relates to the narrowing of cohorts 75-79, 50-54, and 20-24. A miserable quality of life and alcoholism don't help, but the legacy of WW2 remains.
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Old James posted:A miserable quality of life and alcoholism don't help, but the legacy of WW2 remains. not to mention the truly horrendous psychological harm and tremendous amounts of trauma that the war had caused to literally almost the entire population of Eastern Europe. i'd even argue that the generational trauma still lingers on (anecdotally, purely from personal experience of growing up there and talking to old(er) people). which conveniently explains the alcoholism too, i'd say
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Old James posted:Don't underestimate the lingering impact of the Great Patriotic War. According to Wikipedia about 27 million Soviets dies during WW2, out of a population of 192 million (in 1941). Now not all would be of child bearing age, but the fighting age population was heavily hit. Absolutely valid points, and Russia is hosed in a lot of ways. But my original point, which I didn't exactly spell out, was the gender discrepancy. The over generations are not exactly even, and I think it has a bit to do with alcoholism being a manly thing. Literally toxic masculinity.
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Aug 6, 2021 21:27
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Aug 6, 2021 21:55
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I'm definitely not going to fill it, but Arthur de Gobineau would say Hungary.
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Aug 6, 2021 21:58
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Guavanaut posted:I'm definitely not going to fill it, but Arthur de Gobineau would say Hungary. Or Finland 
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Aug 6, 2021 22:02
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You could argue that Malta fits the missing corner, given that Maltese is descended from Arabic, if you absolutely must. Judgements on ethnicity tend to say more about the judge than the ones being judged, though.
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Aug 6, 2021 22:13
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I think that Malta is probably a better fit for “geography neutral, language rebel” on “Is it Italian” than that though given the history of the Maltese people.
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Aug 6, 2021 23:04
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DrSunshine posted:
Would the Vatican qualify? Assuming at least half of the population are Latin American or African clergy. If they had a country of their own, you could argue the Roma for that square too.
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Aug 6, 2021 23:06
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^^ The 'European-originated language' and 'traditionally Christian' bits of The Vatican overwhelm the others by orders of magnitude.King Hong Kong posted:“Is it Italian”
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Aug 6, 2021 23:07
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DrSunshine posted:
Since it counts "predominantly Christian" as part of ethnicity, just fill in any Protestant country,
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Aug 6, 2021 23:47
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Lol if you claim to be euroean but don't worship Deus Pater
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Aug 7, 2021 01:05
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DrSunshine posted:
London's Chinatown?
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Aug 7, 2021 12:33
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Interesting, esp as iirc hän is the 3rd person pronoun in Finnish, and it's ungendered
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Aug 7, 2021 13:07
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Carthag Tuek posted:Interesting, esp as iirc hän is the 3rd person pronoun in Finnish, and it's ungendered This is mostly correct, except I think the younger generation had begun using "se" for both human and non human referents, where traditional grammar uses "hän" for (all) humans. Also lmao at the pox of transphopic tax haven states.
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Aug 7, 2021 13:17
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Wow didn't even notice the red dots, drat
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Aug 7, 2021 13:25
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I'm also having some doubts regarding Russia, at least when looking at practice.
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Aug 7, 2021 13:30
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DrSunshine posted:
Albanian is an Indo-European language, and no part of Morocco is geographically located within Europe. I know the chart stipulates "ethnicity" but that's a pretty vague term on its own, as I'm sure that there is lots of European (mostly Armenian and Greek) ancestry among modern-day Turkish people, while their ethnic core is from Central Asia. This would be even more true for Hungary - Hungarians are like genetally 98% identical to Czechs and Slovaks, they just happen to speak a non-IE language that was imported by the non-IE people who conquered the area ~1500 years ago.
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Aug 7, 2021 14:20
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ethnicity is even more made up than race
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Aug 7, 2021 14:27
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Pfft, everyone knows Germans are swarthy, not white, except for those of Lower Saxony. Drop race from the criteria and change Ethnicity Purist" to "The first language of a majority of the population is primarily spoken as a first language in Europe." There, that is a definition you can actually work with, for any given definition of geographic Europe. Hell, it works for any continent, just replace Europe with whatever continent you like.
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Aug 7, 2021 14:34
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BonHair posted:This is mostly correct, except I think the younger generation had begun using "se" for both human and non human referents, where traditional grammar uses "hän" for (all) humans. Actually, using "se" for any human, animal or thing is very old and has basically always been normal in colloquial Finnish. Meanwhile, using "hän" as the exclusive pronoun for persons was decided when written Finnish was standardized in the 1800s. Before that, "hän" was used rarely and only in a specific use case (reported speech) and could refer to animals as well as people. In colloquial Finnish and in every dialect except standard Finnish, "se" means he, she or it. Zat fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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Aug 7, 2021 14:36
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I'm bothered by the fact that the person who put that alignment chart together considered the people of Aotearoa to be entirely ethnically European.
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Aug 7, 2021 15:41
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Zat posted:Actually, using "se" for any human, animal or thing is very old and has basically always been normal in colloquial Finnish. I love being corrected like this, thanks! (And that's not meant sarcastically, to be clear)
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Aug 7, 2021 15:56
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Yeah seconded, it's good stuff
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I'm bothered by the fact that the person who put that alignment chart together considered the people of Aotearoa to be entirely ethnically European.
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Aug 7, 2021 17:29
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Comedy options for ethnical rebel, geographical purist: -Sweden because the population has been mostly replaced by scary brown people, according to reliable* sources. -Ireland/Scotland/Isle of Man because Kelts aren't proper Europeans. -Finland because they're obviously Mongolians -City of London because they're all business ghouls and not actually people. -Any of the tax haven countries for the same reason. Otherwise, just declare an independent Sami nation, that fits pretty well.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:36
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Finland is questionable on the geographical purist level.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:41
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If you're a geographical purist you know Europe is not a continent though.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:44
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:If you're a geographical purist you know Europe is not a continent though. Hong Kong is And if Finland isn't Europe, how the gently caress is Turkey or Ireland?
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Aug 7, 2021 19:49
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BonHair posted:Hong Kong is For most Europeans, Asia begins at their country’s eastern border, so one could argue Ireland is the only true Europe
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Aug 7, 2021 19:53
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:For most Europeans, Asia begins at their country’s eastern border, so one could argue Ireland is the only true Europe I think Portugal's eastern border is a little further west than Ireland. This proves that Portugal is a eastern european country
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Pope Hilarius II posted:Albanian is an Indo-European language, and no part of Morocco is geographically located within Europe. I know the chart stipulates "ethnicity" but that's a pretty vague term on its own, as I'm sure that there is lots of European (mostly Armenian and Greek) ancestry among modern-day Turkish people, while their ethnic core is from Central Asia. I think that's why they have Turkey as ethnically neutral, since Turkey today is as ethnically blended as the USA or UK will be in like 200 years, with a lot of that blending being from people whose ethnic groups were traditionally from well-outside the geographic boundaries of Europe. Azerbaijan would probably work better for ethnic rebel, geography neutral, since they're in European championships (e.g. Eurovision and Eurocup) but are otherwise not in any realm of European-ness, and they're almost entirely trans-Caucasian. I guess Morocco could be neutrally located in Europe since Ceuta and Melila and the Canaries are there, but at that point you might as well include Tunisia for the same category since it's just a stone's throw from Pantelleria. Cyprus seems like it could also work for ethnic purist, geographic neutral.
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Now now, this discussion is unnecessary since we all agree european membership is determined by the eurovision and since this matrix doesn't account for that it's fundamentally flawed. and also that Japan would win if they entered because Eurovision is basically live action anime theme songs including the bossfight at the end
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Aug 7, 2021 20:25
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BonHair posted:Hong Kong is Both are Asian as the savage Fenian is descendant from Oriental Scythians who invaded the island and massacred the native British making it fully morally justifiable to displace and subjugate the Irish. Also they aren't really Christians but moon worshipping pagans*  Actual content and related  .  *actual poo poo I've read in contemporary sources to the Plantation of Ulster.
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Aug 7, 2021 20:25
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This map is out of date. Oklahoma is now a full freedom state.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:For most Europeans, Asia begins at their country’s eastern border, so one could argue Ireland is the only true Europe Weird Iceland erasure going on there, Ireland is clearly Asian. Actually Iceland is a fun discussion, since they're kind of ambiguous in terms of geography and religion/ethnicity. Especially since they had like a hundred years of "no, sorry, we're closed, you guys all have the plague"
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