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Personally I think that's a perfectly reasonable take even though I really enjoyed Crybaby. It does feel very uncomfortable in its own skin, to use an overly snooty phrase. I think that's part of what was cool to me.
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muike posted:Personally I think that's a perfectly reasonable take even though I really enjoyed Crybaby. It does feel very uncomfortable in its own skin, to use an overly snooty phrase. I think that's part of what was cool to me. Now that you point that out that is very cool to me, it mirrors the themes of the show in that sense
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Drrocks on multiple pages said voice acting is a waste in super robot wars
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You guys are crazy, Devilman Crybaby is a massive improvement over the original live action Devilman.
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly at this point the most refreshing thing they could do with Devilman is something more in line with the original Toei anime than aping the manga again Make an incredibly boring monster of the week show?
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At the very least, Devilman Crybaby is vastly better than Devilman Lady. But that is a very low bar. On the subject of Madoka, I don't hate Madoka per se, but I do absolutely loathe that crowd of Madoka fans who got really really creepy about girl on girl relationships, being a bunch of men who only liked it because it was cute girls kissing cute girls without a nasty guy to get in the way of their shipping or fantasies. Also the fact that they're all little girls. And disliking Madoka for its fanbase isn't really fair to the show, and while now isn't the place or time to talk about Urobuchi maybe or maybe not being a lolicon, the show does pander to tat crowd- more so in the spinoff materials and in the movie. It's a valid concern, similar to the ones people have for Dragon Maid and the way that show portrays its underage characters.
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drat dude, put the worms away
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dogsicle posted:drat dude, put the worms away Hey, I'm just trying to explain why some people might not like Madoka. The show has amazing visual design and music, but there are plenty of elements both to the show itself and to the things surrounding it that would make it unpalatable to someone. Back on topic, Trying to get the Fiancee to watch Dai-Guard. She says she thinks it'll be bad because of the opening.
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 e; gently caress e2; it's the gif of the guy whipping out a folding chair from portlandia. e3 
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Aug 7, 2021 16:26
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madoka is just a guy's nanoha x hidasketch fanfic
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madoka wasn't "deconstructing" anything. it was just a weirder and darker magical girl anime. but there was darker magical girl anime before it too and there's still more lighthearted stuff that comes out these days. it was just an influential piece of art, because it was popular, and people are influenced by popular things. gonna ignore that post about yuri because it is very weird on several levels Motto posted:madoka is just a guy's nanoha x hidasketch fanfic this
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Fivemarks posted:Back on topic, Trying to get the Fiancee to watch Dai-Guard. She says she thinks it'll be bad because of the opening. That doesn't make any sense.
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The Dai-guard opening is fantastic the first time you watch it, good the next couple episodes, and just incredibly grating after that. There's my contentious opinion.
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Madoka being bad cause of yuri sure is a take
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Dai-Guard's opening is good and its ending is stellar.
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Schwarzwald posted:The Dai-guard opening is fantastic the first time you watch it, good the next couple episodes, and just incredibly grating after that. No that's wrong, the Dai-Guard opening is always good.
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Fivemarks posted:On the subject of Madoka, I don't hate Madoka per se, but I do absolutely loathe that crowd of Madoka fans who got really really creepy about girl on girl relationships, being a bunch of men who only liked it because it was cute girls kissing cute girls without a nasty guy to get in the way of their shipping or fantasies. also i dont think madoka 'did harm to anime' cause a half-dozen bad edgy magical girl shows got made over the course of a decade. something like wixoss is also madoka-inspired, but wixoss is actually very good. Endorph fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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also there literally is a guy getting in the way of their shipping fantasies, the guy sayaka is into isnt exactly a dynamo tearing up the screen but hes a ton of sayaka's motivation and shes explicitly got a crush on him.
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How about them mecha.
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Arcsquad12 posted:How about them mecha.
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Endorph posted:granbelm is a madoka ripoff with mechs and its good Can't say I was a fan of the fight scenes. The hand drawn mechs and frantic action show a lot of effort and talent went into the show, but the choreography was awkward and made it hard to track what the hell was happening a lot of the time. Going heavy on funnels was probably a contributing factor there, but the lines of action were also kinda messy. It's a shame that a lot of the difficult detail work stuff was done right, but it was undermined by relatively "easy" parts of the show's fights being sloppy.
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i thought the early fights were a bit rough but i thought the anna fight and the final fight were really good
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Endorph posted:granbelm is a madoka ripoff with mechs and its good it honestly managed to go harder than Madoka and I can appreciate that. It never really pulls it's punches and it has the most schadenfreude ending I've ever seen. Diabetes Forecast fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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I actually liked the fights in Granbelm but didn't like the final arc so....
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Sakurazuka posted:Make an incredibly boring monster of the week show? I meant more in terms of intended audience
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Endorph posted:i dont know how to tell you this but a toooooooooooon of women loved madoka for the lesbian relationship angles lol. im not going to pretend guys like that didnt exist but hyperemphasizing them, especially when its not like madoka lacked female voices in its creation, does both those female fans and the work itself a disservice. What, no, the take isn't "Madoka is bad because LGBT+ stuff is bad", the take is "I dislike the Madoka Fandom for the creepy weebs who act like the relationships in it are perfect for being girl on girl because "Girls kissing girls is hot!"". I'm probably explaining it wrong, but I'm not being frowny facey at women, I'm being frowny facey at the kind of people who creepily sexualize homosexual relationships between members of the opposite sex because of how titillating it is to them. It's kind of like what Ikuhara was trying to get at in Yurikuma, but i'm bad at getting my message across. I think I have an overly negative reaction to Madoka due to having to spend a lot of time with the people who tried to make that Adeptus Evangelion spinoff game about Madoka style magical girls, that missed all the good stuff about Madoka and was just Torture Porn Yuri the RPG; and also from having to deal with people in RPG groups who would do stuff like "Yes, my character rapes this girl" and the rest of the group going "This is cool because girl on girl is hot and you're weird, Five, for thinking that rape is bad when its girl on girl." And for all of that, I think Madoka is still good. It's certainly no Kannazuki no Miko, which on top of having some horrible stuff people say i'm too dumb to understand how its actually romantic, suffers the original sin of a giant robot show: Taking a great premise and being boring. Fivemarks fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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you shouldn't judge fictions by their fandom because every fandom is terrible.
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Fivemarks posted:What, no, the take isn't "Madoka is bad because LGBT+ stuff is bad", the take is "I dislike the Madoka Fandom for the creepy weebs who act like the relationships in it are perfect for being girl on girl because "Girls kissing girls is hot!"". I'm probably explaining it wrong, but I'm not being frowny facey at women, I'm being frowny facey at the kind of people who creepily sexualize homosexual relationships between members of the opposite sex because of how titillating it is to them. It's kind of like what Ikuhara was trying to get at in Yurikuma, but i'm bad at getting my message across. im not saying those guys you knew werent weirdos im saying overemphasizing them or acting like any significant amount of lesbian madoka fanwork is by those kinds of guys, is awful. obviously they exist but they arent a significant portion of why that stuff was so huge, and acting like they were is msotly just another excuse to take something lesbians like and are into and make it all about straight men. which isnt woke. it loving sucks. Endorph fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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and of the people involved in yurikuma i would much rather focus on morishima's presentation of lesbian relationships, since shes an actual lesbian, and most of what she draws is just office secretaries loving edit: also kannazuki no miko is good
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kannazuki no miko's core relationship dynamic is romantic cause both of the leads are women who are romantically attracted to each other. it's a melodramatic lesbian romance that plays into some of the more equally "trashy" and melodramatic bits of gay comics in general, just in the context of exploring comphet in a bizarre and janky mecha plot. outside of the one obvious disconcerting scene (actually kinda including it, wasn't uncommon in melodramatic r18 stuff for sure but you know what i mean) a lot of the core dynamic in it is stuff you could commonly find in gay comics around the time. hell, you could see some of it in iczer-1 some years back for a direct lesbian mecha contrast
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The Colonel posted:kannazuki no miko's core relationship dynamic is romantic cause both of the leads are women who are romantically attracted to each other. it's a melodramatic lesbian romance that plays into some of the more equally "trashy" and melodramatic bits of gay comics in general, just in the context of exploring comphet in a bizarre and janky mecha plot. outside of the one obvious disconcerting scene (actually kinda including it, wasn't uncommon in melodramatic r18 stuff for sure but you know what i mean) a lot of the core dynamic in it is stuff you could commonly find in gay comics around the time. hell, you could see some of it in iczer-1 some years back for a direct lesbian mecha contrast I think it's important that my issue with KnM isn't the lesbian romance stuff- for the time it's basically bog loving standard and the "Oh no, the sexual assault was okay because it was motivated by love" trope isn't unique to Yuri/Yaoi, or even Japanese Media for that matter- it's a big loving problem that can make plenty of romance plots in things pretty loving disgusting, like how James Bond 'fixing' Pussy Galore by giving her his 007 is absolutely disgusting and horrible. My problem with KnM comes from the mecha side of the plot, which is just kinda boring given the premise. But the mecha are like, setting dressing for KnM, with the real focus being the tragic romance between Chikane and Himeko.
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one of my favorite 2007 mecha anime is dancouga nova and i couldn't tell you much about the mech parts of that other than when they fight an evil military general who keeps shouting about how america's justice will bring order to south africa
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the mecha aspect of kannazuki no miko is kinda stage dressing but also the comedy midbosses all rule
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The mech designs are also not bad actually, a lot of the midboss robots are pretty creative.
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Justin_Brett posted:The mech designs are also not bad actually, a lot of the midboss robots are pretty creative. yeah i really like the manga artist's iirc dont think they ever made any kind of merch of the mechs tho
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Kannazuki no Miko has a robot that folds itself into a giant fist so it's 10/10 on the robot side
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Something as a youth I thought was ridiculous about it but now know is just reality is that being a war orphan and being a manga artist are in fact matching levels of despair
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Fivemarks posted:What, no, the take isn't "Madoka is bad because LGBT+ stuff is bad", the take is "I dislike the Madoka Fandom for the creepy weebs who act like the relationships in it are perfect for being girl on girl because "Girls kissing girls is hot!"". I'm probably explaining it wrong, but I'm not being frowny facey at women, I'm being frowny facey at the kind of people who creepily sexualize homosexual relationships between members of the opposite sex because of how titillating it is to them. It's kind of like what Ikuhara was trying to get at in Yurikuma, but i'm bad at getting my message across. Every single time in the history of human media where something is popular enough to develop a fandom, that fandom is almost guaranteed to be full of weird idiots. Don't let weird idiots ruin good things for you, because there are weird idiots who like everything under the sun and pretty soon you'll run out of things to like. Also probably don't hang out with people who decide to involve rape in their RPG playing because holy poo poo, what the hell?
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Please stop talking about this, here I brought mecha news! https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/1424146392415563780?s=21 Machine Robo is licensed! So now we can see Rom Stoll in his glory. https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/1424147532846800896?s=21 And GUNBUSTER is getting a new release! And one that won’t make your wallet cry!
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