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King Vidiot posted:Imminent destruction of NYC aside, the guys thought that crossing the streams would wipe all of Manhattan out in a single blast but they did it anyways because there was a "slim chance they'd survive". They also did it with no real idea what they were doing, or that it would have any effect on the Gozer portal. I never took crossing streams as something that would kill loads of people, just the user and perhaps those in close vicinity, "all life as YOU know it". Otherwise Ghostbusting is insanely dangerous. There is a lot of fate in Ghostbusters as you say, but on my recent watch it struck me a little different. In a lot of narratives the forces of evil are loud and audacious and the opposite forces of good (be it God, or a turtle) are more quiet, and tend to work through people. It's a stretch but you could read some of the coincidences being an opposite force opposing Gozer and silently guiding events, I think mainly about the TV being on in Dana's apartment despite her turning it off and fortuitously showing a Ghostbusters advert leading her to seek them out. There is not a lot of evidence for it, and it obviously rubs up against interpretations of the film as atheists vs spiritualism, but I thought it was interesting.
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King Vidiot posted:I don't know, to me it looked like what they shut off was the storage unit itself plus the backup generators and/or failsafes. Egon says they "shut off the protection grid" which I assume is some sort of backup or failsafe. If they cut the power they just would've gone straight for the circuit breaker and cut it off there. It's the guy from the power company doing it for one and it looks a lot more like he's turning off a power box. I can't read the note on it beyond "do not turn off" but it looks like something you'd see in most buildings (I have something super similar at my office) and not part of the overall thing. When they're teaching Winston how to use the unit Ray is doing something to the box next to it but not it.
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GazChap posted:Just rewatching GB2. It’s never occurred to me before, but why is Winston even still working with the other three at the start? $11,500 in 1984 is equivalent to $30,072.22 today. 1989 (GB2) it's only $25,197.61. So not all that great but it seemed like reasonably easy work if you're not the scientist or engineer guy.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:$11,500 in 1984 is equivalent to $30,072.22 today. I also imagine that if you saved the world it might make you want to keep hanging out at that job for a bit.
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Inkspot posted:One of the previous times this discussion happened, I believe it turned out psychiatrists actually could recommend thorazine for patients around the time of production, but Dana having a sizable bottle of the stuff that may or may not require a syringe to dose is still pretty suspect. Venkman carrying some on him just by random happenstance is even more suspect. But, when given the chance, he keeps it in his pants and applies the thorazine to sedate and then not sleep with her. So... who fuckin' knows. The guy is conducting a bogus psychic powers study when we meet him, and is clearly intent on scoring with the pretty coed who is part of the study. The amount of skeeve and unethical behavior associated with that behavior is through the roof. So while it's unclear that he had the thorazine for the worst of motives, our best evidence to the contrary is indeed his actual behavior. He ultimately seems to be the sort who will lie to women to get laid, but as a con man who loves the con I suspect he enjoys "winning" and wouldn't be interested in drugging and raping someone because that would represent a failure of his skills. I'm uncertain whether the moral wrongness would enter into his calculus, though. Worrying about how Peter got some thorazine without being concerned about how Ray and Egon got the fissionable materials for their unlicensed nuclear accelerators is a little odd. King Vidiot posted:I don't know, to me it looked like what they shut off was the storage unit itself plus the backup generators and/or failsafes. Egon says they "shut off the protection grid" which I assume is some sort of backup or failsafe. If they cut the power they just would've gone straight for the circuit breaker and cut it off there. "Protection grid" is another term for the containment unit. There is no sign of any backup or fail-safe and if such a fail-safe existed, it would surely have been triggered by the power being switched off.
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I remember thinking about how small the basement was in the movie version of the firehall, but then it was either in the huge GB book that came out a few years ago, an interview with Reitman, or some sort of behind the scenes thing, but someone pointed out that it's so small there because the actual, physical protection grid is walled up, hence the light coming through the cracks between the huge bricks. Ninja edit: actually, it was a fan theory video on YouTube about how the containment unit worked.
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Where's my Walter Peck miniseries where this patient man with the world on his shoulders is just poo poo all over? It'll be a tragedy. Peck's marriage fell apart after due to the stress of dealing with Venkman. His daughter won't speak to him. Peck's son can't look him in the eyes. And Walter lost his shoes when the marshmallow man frosted him text me a vag pic fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Aug 8, 2021 |
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text me a vag pic posted:Where's my Walter Peck miniseries where this patient man with the world on his shoulders is just poo poo all over? It'll be a tragedy. Peck's marriage fell apart after due to the stress of dealing with Venkman. His daughter won't speak to him. Peck's son can't look him in the eyes. To be fair, he does create a ghostbusting robot.
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Egon notes while they’re looking at the firehouse that it’s “totally inadequate for our power needs.” But at least the pole still worked.
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Narsham posted:The guy is conducting a bogus psychic powers study when we meet him, and is clearly intent on scoring with the pretty coed who is part of the study... To be (overly) fair if you pay attention to the cards the experiment is actually working. The guy getting zapped is nailing the cards after the negative reinforcement.
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Splint Chesthair posted:Egon notes while they’re looking at the firehouse that it’s “totally inadequate for our power needs.” But at least the pole still worked. I always thought that was Egon and Peter just trying to get the price down from the real estate agent before Ray comes and blows it all by going off on how great and awesome it is.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:37
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Tom Guycot posted:I always thought that was Egon and Peter just trying to get the price down from the real estate agent before Ray comes and blows it all by going off on how great and awesome it is. That was my read too, I do like how you can see the dynamic and connections between the characters in these scenes. Ray and Egon obviously share a fascination with science in a way that Peter doesn't, yet Peter and Egon share a worldliness and business savvy that Ray clearly doesn't have. Their relationships with each other feel very authentic and detailed.
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Which is funny because Peter and Egon, from all we’re shown and told, have never had private sector jobs, they’ve been swaddled by academia the whole time while Ray, according to he and Pete’s post-firing drinking session, has private sector experience and should probably be the savvy one, but his key character trait is that he’s pretty naïve. I mean, really, thinking a giant marshmallow man wouldn’t kill everyone the same as anything else. C’mon. Maybe Egon should have told him about the slorth.
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8one6 posted:To be (overly) fair if you pay attention to the cards the experiment is actually working. The guy getting zapped is nailing the cards after the negative reinforcement. Peter actually has results, but he's completely uninterested in the guy who can remote view because he's after the girl. The point of the study, for him, isn't to establish the existence of psychic phenomena, it's to get laid.
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Tom Guycot posted:I always thought that was Egon and Peter just trying to get the price down from the real estate agent before Ray comes and blows it all by going off on how great and awesome it is. Oh, that makes a lot of sense, yeah.
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Karloff posted:That was my read too, I do like how you can see the dynamic and connections between the characters in these scenes. Ray and Egon obviously share a fascination with science in a way that Peter doesn't, yet Peter and Egon share a worldliness and business savvy that Ray clearly doesn't have. Their relationships with each other feel very authentic and detailed. They carry that through the movie too, like how Egon is the one to collude with Peter in the pricing at the hotel, and Ray is wildly overpaying for a lemon while Peters eyes bug out at the cost.
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Splint Chesthair posted:Oh, that makes a lot of sense, yeah. We can only imagine what buying the Ecto-1 was like as I think Ray did that on his own. "WOW! An old ambulance! I'll take it!"
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Dawgstar posted:We can only imagine what buying the Ecto-1 was like as I think Ray did that on his own. "WOW! An old ambulance! I'll take it!" "This place is GREAT! When can we move in?!"
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Tom Guycot posted:I always thought that was Egon and Peter just trying to get the price down from the real estate agent before Ray comes and blows it all by going off on how great and awesome it is. Egon is very, very openly shaking his head at Peter when the agent asks what they think. It's clear that Spengler is not at all a fan of the building, and early-'80s Tribeca, while not a demilitarized zone, was certainly not exactly a thriving business district.
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King Vidiot posted:But I would think that the containment unit would have a backup generator. The drat thing is a prison for ghosts, you don't set up a prison for ghosts if a power outage is just going to let all of them go at once.
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I can def see how Egon's description of the firehouse might be a negotiating tactic (which I'd never really considered), but the idea that the building is completely inadequate for their power needs frankly feels like its the one that may be most true? They probably had just enough room to squeeze the containment unit in the basement much less any additional support power supply which we never see anywhere around. Plus they seemingly only had enough cash to get off the ground, redundant safety systems might not be at the top of the spending list.
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Timby posted:Egon is very, very openly shaking his head at Peter when the agent asks what they think. It's clear that Spengler is not at all a fan of the building, and early-'80s Tribeca, while not a demilitarized zone, was certainly not exactly a thriving business district. See I think thats all part of their negotiating, otherwise if the building was so bad, why would they instantly fold and say they'll take it just because Ray says "its great, look at this pole!"? If it really was bad they would have walked away anyways, but once Ray gives the game away they know they've been had, and the real estate agent is even smirking so they have to admit defeat and say "we'll take it". Saying they had to buy a building on the spot they knew was awful and terrible for everything they needed just because Ray was excited about a pole is really weird and doesn't really work as a joke compared to the joke being Ray completely undercutting their negotiations.
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Tom Guycot posted:See I think thats all part of their negotiating, otherwise if the building was so bad, why would they instantly fold and say they'll take it just because Ray says "its great, look at this pole!"? If it really was bad they would have walked away anyways, but once Ray gives the game away they know they've been had, and the real estate agent is even smirking so they have to admit defeat and say "we'll take it". The joke is that Peter gives into Ray because he totally hosed Ray already by conning him into a third mortgage on his family home.
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Timby posted:The joke is that Peter gives into Ray because he totally hosed Ray already by conning him into a third mortgage on his family home. Yeah, if that. I don't disagree, but I think it's a way more surface level thing. Egon and Peter: We don't want it. Ray: I REALLY WANT IT. Peter: Welp, that's a good enough argument for me. 
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I always assumed they couldn't afford anything better anyway, but the joke is probably just entirely 'this place is awful, we'll take it'.
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I thought the joke was a lot simpler. Ray was the guy with the money so if he said they take it Peter and Egon can't really say no.
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ImpAtom posted:I mostly want to bring this up because: Naw they hated each other's guts on sight and were immediately mocking and belittling each other. Venkman deliberately got ectoplasm all over Peck and Peck was being smarmy as hell, especially when he repeatedly refused to call him Doctor Venkman and kept calling him Mister Venkman over and over and over quote:Walter Peck: I'm Walter Peck, from the Environmental Protection ... Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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ImpAtom posted:I thought the joke was a lot simpler. Ray was the guy with the money so if he said they take it Peter and Egon can't really say no. You know what? This is it, right here. I don't know why I didn't remember that, but yes, it's Ray's childhood home that allows them to afford the firehouse to begin with. If he likes it, that's it.
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If they didn't like the neighbourhood etc they would have never have viewed it. Peter and Egon are purposely setting up a negotiating position that Ray's enthusiasm undermines. Ray is enthusiatic about everything. Ray is a bad negotiator. 'Everybody can relax I found the car...'
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Naw they hated each other's guts on sight and were immediately mocking and belittling each other. Venkman deliberately got ectoplasm all over Peck and Peck was being smarmy as hell, especially when he repeatedly refused to call him Doctor Venkman and kept calling him Mister Venkman over and over and over Peter literally begins by spreading slime on the dude. He's an unlikable dick but Peter started the aggro there and his statement afterwards to the others makes it clear they were expecting a visit and Peter's behavior was intentional blowoff and would have happened to any EPA guy. And again, the EPA is 100% in the right to ask to investigate the mysterious basement of the guys with nuclear lasers. Peter on the other hand is aware that what they are doing veers wildly between illegal and massively dangerous and is trying to push it off.
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Peck came into the meeting thinking that the whole Ghostbusters deal was a dodgy scam before he even started speaking with Peter but to be fair to him, Venkman is a dodgy scam artist and his degree is most likely bunk anyway. 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Peck came into the meeting thinking that the whole Ghostbusters deal was a dodgy scam before he even started speaking with Peter but to be fair to him, Venkman is a dodgy scam artist and his degree is most likely bunk anyway. In the comic Peter admits he went into parapsychology because most people have no idea what it means so he could do what he wanted and nobody would know for sure.
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Dawgstar posted:In the comic Peter admits he went into parapsychology because most people have no idea what it means so he could do what he wanted and nobody would know for sure. Ray also calls him out in the movie when they're in the jail cell and Venkman was struggling to keep up with the conversation. "You never studied.  "
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Peter hosting World of the Psychic is so on-brand, especially with Dana's line from the first, "You don't act like a scientist... You're more like a game show host." Close! "Yeah, I know Bassmasters... sure."
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Peter hosting World of the Psychic Speaking of... pretty nuts that the world ended twice already.
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Just got the Spengler Neutrino Wand and really happy with it, love the modes from the game being incorporated.
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Bacon Terrorist posted:Just got the Spengler Neutrino Wand and really happy with it, love the modes from the game being incorporated. The Spengler wand has such satisfying switches, I love it. I'm working on a new pack for the wand, but I'm waiting on a v-hook from etsy. As for the different modes: the new Hasbro Proton M.O.D. also has though sound modes. Wonder if they'll show up in the movie or if it's just cheaper to re-use the clips.
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I know trailers are just trailers, but I just saw the trailer for Afterlife and...they seem unaware that Ghostbusters is a comedy? It's kind of accidental comedy, in that these kids are unwrapping Egon's hacked-together PKEmeter like it's the Lance of Longinus.
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There will be comedy in the film. Jason Reitman pretty much just makes comedic dramas. They're leaning on the legacy stuff in the trailer because it's clearly a big part of the story and it's the director's son so it fits. The marketing is pitched away from the gags I suspect because they're probably spooked (pun intended) by the box office performance of the last film, which leant heavily on gags for its trailer. Though the unprecedented YouTube dislike of that trailer had a lot to do with chuds making multiple profiles to down vote it, moreso than just underwhelming jokes I reckon.
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Karloff posted:There will be comedy in the film. Jason Reitman pretty much just makes comedic dramas. They're leaning on the legacy stuff in the trailer because it's clearly a big part of the story and it's the director's son so it fits. The marketing is pitched away from the gags I suspect because they're probably spooked (pun intended) by the box office performance of the last film, which leant heavily on gags for its trailer. Though the unprecedented YouTube dislike of that trailer had a lot to do with chuds making multiple profiles to down vote it, moreso than just underwhelming jokes I reckon. If you watch the original GB trailer there's not a whole lot of obvious jokes there, either, especially of the "setup/punchline" variety. I mean, I'm sure people knew what they were getting into because of Stripes and Blues Brothers and SNL and all but it also leans heavily on 'there are ghosts here and it might be a little spooky.'
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