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I was able to get my Boomer father to have a moment of clarity two weekends ago when we were driving back from Philly after going to this helicopter museum on 495 going around Wilmington as I said, "look at the windshield and tell me what you *don't* see." We hadn't had a single bug splatter the entire trip up or entire trip back.
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215 ain't bad, if you get some merv13 filters you can tape them to a box fan for a diy air purifier. If you keep your place closed up it'll make a noticable difference inside. This plus a p100 respirator when I had to leave the house was what got me through the week of 400+ aqi last summer here in Oregon.
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Aug 6, 2021 21:41
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:215 ain't bad... good lord man you should know better than to do this gatekeeping normalization poo poo 215 is "very unhealthy"
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Aug 6, 2021 22:06
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I was able to get my Boomer father to have a moment of clarity two weekends ago when we were driving back from Philly after going to this helicopter museum on 495 going around Wilmington as I said, "look at the windshield and tell me what you *don't* see." It's been that way for a long time. I remember as a kid in the 90s car would be wrecking with insects. I've not seen many in my adult life.
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Aug 6, 2021 23:05
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MightyBigMinus posted:good lord man you should know better than to do this gatekeeping normalization poo poo I meant not bad as in you can mitigate it with diy solutions not go run around outside rawdogging as much air as you can into your lungs u dumb dumb
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Aug 6, 2021 23:17
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just another day in California.
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Aug 7, 2021 01:18
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:I meant not bad as in you can mitigate it with diy solutions not go run around outside rawdogging as much air as you can into your lungs u dumb dumb yes people who have to go outside are dumb dumbs
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Aug 7, 2021 01:38
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which is why i shared info on how to go outside? can u read?
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Aug 7, 2021 01:43
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MightyBigMinus posted:yes people who have to go outside are dumb dumbs That’s very clearly not what he’s saying, come on now
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Aug 7, 2021 01:46
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https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1424012359119478795?s=19
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Aug 7, 2021 15:46
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poo poo is much more hosed than we thought. https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/world-to-hit-temperature-tipping-point-10-years-faster-than-forecast-20210805-p58g7u quote:World to hit temperature tipping point 10 years faster than forecast
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Aug 7, 2021 16:11
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I think we can do better. +2C by 2030 let's goooooooooo. 
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Aug 7, 2021 17:27
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Slow News Day posted:poo poo is much more hosed than we thought. Pretty sure anyone who has been paying attention for the past decade has been well aware that things were more hosed than gov/ngo were willing to let on.
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Aug 7, 2021 17:45
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Quorum posted:Related to the Greenland melt, it looks like the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation is showing (some more) very concerning signs of instability: this article says decades or perhaps centuries, but given how much faster everything is happening than predictions, I expect the UK to be a frozen wonderland by next year
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Aug 7, 2021 18:17
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shirunei posted:Pretty sure anyone who has been paying attention for the past decade has been well aware that things were more hosed than gov/ngo were willing to let on. It's literally the same poo poo over and over. "Hey guys, things appear to be much worse than we predi-" "Nah, your models/data/whatever are just outliers! Look at these other models we have, most of us agree that their projections are far more reasonable!" A few years pass, things do indeed get more dire "Hey guys, things ARE getting much worse much fas-" "Nah, your models/data/whatever are just outliers! Besides we can't tell people poo poo might be hosed, they'll just panic and give up! Or they will think we're alarmists and stop taking us seriously!" It's almost as if there's something in the human brain that absolutely refuses to accept that cataclysm might be — might be — just around the corner, and instead chooses to believe that it'll be a slow deterioration and decline over a long time period.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:35
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Hopefully the acceleration of poo poo hitting the fan will be faster than the technological advancement of autonomous drones that that the ultra rich are banking on to help protect them in their New Zealand bunkers. Other wise, all of the people who you paid to build those bunkers AND all of your guards know where you live and sleep, and will hopefully just come take all of your poo poo from you when you go to hole up in and "ride it out."
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Aug 7, 2021 18:47
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Slow News Day posted:
Yes normalcy and recency biases are both ubiquitous thinking errors
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Aug 7, 2021 18:55
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Slow News Day posted:poo poo is much more hosed than we thought. quote:a decade earlier than anticipated just three years ago. lmao.
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Aug 7, 2021 20:14
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I'm guessing people have already forgotten last year's Mega Derecho. People have mostly forgotten the 2012 "Super Derecho" here in the DC area. Now with the weakening jetstream, ever more powerful storms will be able to take their time loving everything up in their paths!
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Aug 7, 2021 20:37
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shirunei posted:Pretty sure anyone who has been paying attention for the past decade has been well aware that things were more hosed than gov/ngo were willing to let on. yes, but if you ever mention that you get called alarmist lol
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Aug 8, 2021 00:15
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A little over 5 hours until the next report. I wonder how dire this one is going to be?
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Aug 9, 2021 03:49
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hooman posted:A little over 5 hours until the next report. I wonder how dire this one is going to be? My money is on "not nearly as dire as it ought to be" as is pretty much always the case with IPCC reports.
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Aug 9, 2021 05:25
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Aug 9, 2021 09:13
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If governments don't turn up to COP26 ready to ban crypto, then they might as well not turn up. Not that crypto mining is currently a huge percentage of global emissions, but it's such low-hanging fruit that is a good indicator of whether Capital is willing to make even the tiniest concessions to reality. Let's just say I'm not optimistic
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Aug 9, 2021 09:56
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Slow News Day posted:It's literally the same poo poo over and over. Ars Technica went through some climate skeptic predictions which may be a useful reference. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/a-look-back-at-very-bad-predictions-of-global-cooling/
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Aug 9, 2021 10:53
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What are some good measures i can implement now so that i am not eaten by backwoods cannibals when the inevitable climate wars begin?
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Aug 9, 2021 11:15
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toggle posted:What are some good measures i can implement now so that i am not eaten by backwoods cannibals when the inevitable climate wars begin? form significant local ties is really the only worthwhile answer that gives any chance of helping out in an extended scenario
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Aug 9, 2021 11:26
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toggle posted:What are some good measures i can implement now so that i am not eaten by backwoods cannibals when the inevitable climate wars begin? live with someone who runs slower
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Aug 9, 2021 11:29
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mediaphage posted:form significant local ties is really the only worthwhile answer that gives any chance of helping out in an extended scenario This. If civilization does collapse living alone in a shed in the countryside is the worst possible thing you can do so of course a lot of preppers plan to do exactly that. Catastrophe and war is a driver of urbanization for a reason.
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Aug 9, 2021 11:58
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Owling Howl posted:This. If civilization does collapse living alone in a shed in the countryside is the worst possible thing you can do so of course a lot of preppers plan to do exactly that. Catastrophe and war is a driver of urbanization for a reason. Can you give me any historical examples of this occuring? Most that I can think of indicate the opposite: fall of the Indus Valley civilization, contraction of the Uruk phenomenon, late bronze age collapse, Fall of the Western Roman Empire, plague of Justinian, the Black Death, the Mongol Invasion. They all decreased urban population and development, sometimes drastically for centuries after. I agree that living alone in the woods is a recipe for death, but living in a large city as the wheels come off the complicated system that supports it isn't much better. I think small, well connected communities are probably the best bet as they can be more self sufficient and flexible. If they have the right mentality that is.
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Aug 9, 2021 12:38
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toggle posted:What are some good measures i can implement now so that i am not eaten by backwoods cannibals when the inevitable climate wars begin? you can enjoy your life and turn off the internet, and when the cannibals come knocking just give over your flesh freely, knowing you lived a live full and free and carbon positive
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Aug 9, 2021 12:43
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Griffen posted:Can you give me any historical examples of this occuring? Most that I can think of indicate the opposite: fall of the Indus Valley civilization, contraction of the Uruk phenomenon, late bronze age collapse, Fall of the Western Roman Empire, plague of Justinian, the Black Death, the Mongol Invasion. They all decreased urban population and development, sometimes drastically for centuries after. I agree that living alone in the woods is a recipe for death, but living in a large city as the wheels come off the complicated system that supports it isn't much better. I think small, well connected communities are probably the best bet as they can be more self sufficient and flexible. If they have the right mentality that is. Well I would stick with modern examples such as Somalia.
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Aug 9, 2021 13:03
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Owling Howl posted:Well I would stick with modern examples such as Somalia. I don't know if modern examples would really capture the magnitude of the systemic shock we should expect. For the last few centuries there haven't been any systemic shocks that affected the entirety of an interconnected region (e.g. the Mediterranean world and Europe during the Black Death). You might have a country here or there fall into chaos, but there was external support or forces acting on any individual collapse (like the latter half of the 20th century). For large scale events, like WWI or WWII, you still had strong central governments that were still functioning and able to keep the system running (such as maintaining food distribution to cities) and had strong incentives to do so (maintain military production). In the event of strong civil structure I could see how staying in the cities during the 21st century has benefits, as there would be strong collective action to maintain some level of order and minimum standard of living. However, the past 5 years have given me little reason to expect that much of Western governance (or at least the US) is capable of actively managing large-scale, systemic problems. If we're having this much trouble getting people to take a bloody vaccine, how am I supposed to believe that the US can adapt to quickly shifting weather patterns that would necessitate altering long-standing food production methodologies? Or what about water utilization and conservation, or power generation? South-western US is in the midst of a water crisis, but is also a major fruit and vegetable producer, and there seems to be no major discussion about reconciling those two mutually exclusive facts. I could see some argument that regionalization could occur and consolidate and disburse civil authority more effectively in some areas over others, such as how New England started to organize Covid efforts last year. However, the fact remains that, in aggregate, cities require a lot of support and organization to maintain and there seems to be a decreasing level of ability and/or desire to do so. Now add onto it that, at least in the US, there is a political schism between cities and rural areas that could lead to additional neglect of cities, either through policy initiatives or grass-roots boycotts or worse. Another question is how robust our distribution networks are, as some of the large metropolitan areas do not have a lot of local farmlands that could readily sustain them. What happens if you have a few large crop failures such that national exports cease and some internal exports decrease (e.g. loss of multiple wheat crops leads to a drop in flour production or other staples)? Would states/provinces that are net producers try to hold onto production and leave other states to fend for themselves? I'm not saying this would happen all at once or over night, but I think 5th Century Rome (the city) is a good example of what might happen: slow but steady decline as individually small problems keep accumulating in the absence of anyone solving them. Rome still stood at 500 AD, but it was a shadow of what was there in 400 AD. Also, I don't know if Somalia is a good example, as according to wikipedia they are 80% nomadic pastoralists, with a large amount of economic activity fueled by remittances from the diaspora, in addition to external support from the AU and UN. How stable would Mogadishu be in the absence of all this external support?
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Pobrecito posted:My money is on "not nearly as dire as it ought to be" as is pretty much always the case with IPCC reports. It was pretty dire. What do you want them to do? Tell everyone that maybe, if we're lucky, some small human communities may survive? Man I feel like i'm being pulled every which way by this poo poo, you've got the head in the sand people who just think it'll be ok, and then the 'well meaning alarmists' who are starting to sound just like the billionaires with their declarations that there's nothing to be done, keep spending. Messaging is very important and I don't care how 'real' you think 'we have to go back to 2000 humans living in caves' is, there's absolutely no point in the IPCC putting that out there.
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The truth is if you dont got a large extended family, you are hosed. Blood is the only thing you can trust in desperate times like those. Thats why you flee the cities to your ancestral home i assume? I assume the fancy city folks will run to their dumbfuck cousins in middle america when there is no electricity because..
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Femur posted:The truth is if you dont got a large extended family, you are hosed. Blood is the only thing you can trust in desperate times like those. Thats why you flee the cities to your ancestral home i assume? You have it backwards. Desperate times are a major driver of urbanization. Out in the wilderness there's a much greater chance that roving groups of bandits will murder you and steal everything you have, then murder your extended family and steal everything they have.
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Today is a big day for climate, the IPCC Released their new Sixth Assessment Report and it's over a thousand pages. Carbon Brief has a decent summary. It is important to note this is just from Working Group #1 which essentially just the science or how climate changes works and it continually confirms what we already knew that greenhouse gases emitted by humans are the cause. Personally, I'm more interested the next WG Reports that'll dive into risks, mitigation and adaptation. Those should be out in about a year. https://twitter.com/IPCC_CH/status/1424654466566037504 https://twitter.com/CarbonBrief
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we’ve literally been talking about it for days it’s not really a big deal for the climate unless you view this as a turning point in our reactions which we all know it won’t be because capital and conservative media (often but not always the same) will downplay it relatedly i was lolling pretty hard at biden making a declarative statement about climate change today on twitter i mean how many permits have you awarded this year you nimrod
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Let's commission even more studies! I'm sure sooner or later the complete sociopaths who run the uber-conglomerates that make billions and trillions killing the planet are suddenly going to start caring!  Maybe it'll only take four score and seven more! They'll crack soon, just you 
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