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Volguus posted:Question for the experienced: do FAANG companies (especially the F one) care if you use their products? I have an interview with facebook lined up and I don't know ... I never used it, never cared about it and I have no idea what they're doing there. Would that matter? Not that I would be able to pass their whatever interviews they have, but that's a different matter altogether, neither here or there. But if they deduct a point for not using FB then I wouldn't even bother. The first call with their recruiter was really short and seemed really focused on him selling FB to me and move on (maybe he's getting a bonus or whatever). Next call I will ask the important questions, but I thought I'd ping those in the know first. fwiw I expect a good chunk of your potential interviewers don't use or care about Facebook outside of work either recruiters in particular are playing a numbers game and are definitely rewarded for putting as many successful candidates into the hiring mill as efficiently as they can. if they're on the phone with you, they think you have a shot
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Only a couple days left before the Google interview. Spent all my time on brushing up on DSA and grinding Leetcode. Apartment in shambles, fridge empty, cat annoyed. Feels like I'm back in college  Anyway, I think I hit my limit. It's both a lot of stuff that I'm unlikely to excel at and also very short notice. Apparently the acceptance rate is like 0.2%, so I'm really just going the distance at this point.
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Pollyanna posted:Only a couple days left before the Google interview. Spent all my time on brushing up on DSA and grinding Leetcode. Apartment in shambles, fridge empty, cat annoyed. Feels like I'm back in college At least you do this one interview, and if you get the job, then you're set career-wise and financially for life!
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Pollyanna posted:Only a couple days left before the Google interview. Spent all my time on brushing up on DSA and grinding Leetcode. Apartment in shambles, fridge empty, cat annoyed. Feels like I'm back in college Good luck! I will be honored to lose out on a developer to the googs.
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0.2% is real fuckin low guys lmao Tech jobs like Google are gatekept primarily because they’re so high paying. You can’t just hand out that chunk of money to anyone (not my opinion, but it’s clearly someone’s). Hence why tech interviews are so reluctant to pull the trigger on hires - companies don’t actually want to spend all this money, despite us generating far more profit than we get back.
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Aug 9, 2021 16:00
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0.2 is hire rate from sending in resume. they get an unending torrent of crap resumes like you wouldnt believe. i think onsite => hire rate is a lot better
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Aug 9, 2021 16:05
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i just searched for "google onsite interview hire rate" without quotes andquote:The average is somewhere between 1 in 6 and 1 in 4. At best, most teams average 25%
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Man, don’t give me hope. My goal this week is to 1. get through it 2. do my best with what I’m given 3. not break down into a bundle of nerves. I gotta focus on that and the rest is up to fate.
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Aug 9, 2021 16:29
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Pollyanna posted:Man, don’t give me hope. My goal this week is to 1. get through it 2. do my best with what I’m given 3. not break down into a bundle of nerves. I gotta focus on that and the rest is up to fate. Well, if it gives you any bit of a confidence boost, my team loved you.
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I’ve been at my current (large, old, Midwest) employer for about ten years now, with two years of experience before that with a defense contractor. I feel like I’ve capped out as the tech lead of a small project. Next steps here might be to switch teams, go into an arch role, or look into management. Seeing several of my friends get basically junior dev jobs elsewhere with much higher salaries than mine lit a fire under me to start looking around. The problem isn’t leetcode or the interview grind; I feel like I can learn well enough with some practice and a lot of time. It’s the golden handcuffs at my current role, specifically my pension. Has anyone done the math to see how it compares to raw salary? I’m fully vested but I think there are years of service tiers. At 30 years apparently it is extremely good, but that’s 20 years away for me. My salary is 110k with 10k stock/10k cash, so I feel like it wouldn’t be hard to find a competitive offer.
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we cant do the math on your pension. you need to do that. pensions vary greatly in what they provide. if you dont know how to do it, a financial advisor can help you figure out what your pension is worth and whether you want to go the distance to max it out or not
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Would have to know way more details to be able to model it. Plus consider the risk that 20+ years from now it may or may not still be solvent. Without knowing the details, I would wager that getting a new job that increases your salary now up to 150-200k+ and saving/investing a good chunk of that increase will outperform the pension and be more flexible both in the present and future. Plus then you don't stay at the same place for 30+ years. That alone would kill me. But YMMV.
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The pension doesn't mean as much when they lay you off and start trying to play games with those benefits. My mom had to deal with a lot of tomfoolery with IBM'S spousal stuff like triple negatives and default opt-out. They are trying hard to just shed her.
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Anyone had to build a team before? I posted about this start-up team previously. They want me to put together what would be needed to hire people. Basically something that can be given to recruiters so they know who to hire. They want to show this to investors as evidence that they found a tech person who can be CTO and build the tech team. While I have some idea of the skills that would be needed from the initial hires, I have no idea what something like this should look like when I hand it over.
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Aug 11, 2021 00:59
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so you took the startup job?
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Google tech interview tomorrow. Honestly unsure of the prospect, but I think obsessing over it is going to destroy me, so gently caress it, whatever comes will come. That said, I find success unlikely - I really hate the Google-style tech shibboleth interview, even if they do make a big stink about being "to scale" or whatever.
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Achmed Jones posted:so you took the startup job? Nope. After I got them to show me their VC deck, they wanted me to show the investors what team I'd build.
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oliveoil posted:Anyone had to build a team before? I posted about this start-up team previously. They want me to put together what would be needed to hire people. Basically something that can be given to recruiters so they know who to hire. They want to show this to investors as evidence that they found a tech person who can be CTO and build the tech team. you dont use recruiters for your first 5-200 hires, depending on strength of network, lol the really ideal situations ive seen are basically 5-15 deec peeps who quit an absolute poo poo job, having identified the fuckups previously on the team, dont invite them, invite everyone else over bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Pollyanna posted:Google tech interview tomorrow. Honestly unsure of the prospect, but I think obsessing over it is going to destroy me, so gently caress it, whatever comes will come. That said, I find success unlikely - I really hate the Google-style tech shibboleth interview, even if they do make a big stink about being "to scale" or whatever. You could think about it like a numbers game. If you have 10% chance of passing a FAANG, then you can expect 10 interviews to get your first offer. So you can technically grind FAANG level interviews. https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Probability/LengthToFirstSuccess.shtml
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Tezzeract posted:You could think about it like a numbers game. If you have 10% chance of passing a FAANG, then you can expect 10 interviews to get your first offer. So you can technically grind FAANG level interviews. 0.90 ^ 7 is when that crosses 0.5 in expectation
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kayakyakr posted:Well, if it gives you any bit of a confidence boost, my team loved you. Pollyanna, you should definitely tell the Google recruiter "I did an interview an another company and it went really well, so I'm expecting an offer soon". And then when you get an offer mail the recruiter telling them to hurry up.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you dont use recruiters for your first 5-200 hires, depending on strength of network, lol Not sure the network strength is very high. The three of us are: Founder: non-technical industry expert. Well-connected with the most ideal clients in the industry and is in a position where he *actually is* one of the ideal decision makers at one of the ideal clients as he is someone who would have the authority at his employer to pay for expensive licenses for the product he wants to build, and would do so if it existed. Founder's technical advisor/previously intended CTO: he just found out he can't participate for personal reasons / issues, otherwise he'd be the CTO and they wouldn't be talking to me. Me: Someone without a network of people to recruit from. My best former coworkers either like coasting at Google or depend on Google for their residency and dont want to take a job with a risky startup. Not sure if this changes anything but apparently the investor is some huge VC fund that they expect to rely on for recruiting. They've invested in at least one company you've heard of, maybe more.
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your goog search keyword is hiring roadmap - just make one and customize it a bit to the oppty. just like gettin hired is a sales job, hiring for an unknown place is also a sales (sales + marketing) job. heres a long checklist https://recruiterbox.com/blog/25-recruiting-tools-and-documents-every-company-should-have quote:Founder's technical advisor/previously intended CTO: he just found out he can't participate for personal reasons / issues, otherwise he'd be the CTO and they wouldn't be talking to me. do you know if this is the real reason or its just that ceo couldnt sell this guy on bein cto bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:your goog search keyword is hiring roadmap - just make one and customize it a bit to the oppty. just like gettin hired is a sales job, hiring for an unknown place is also a sales (sales + marketing) job. heres a long checklist Thank you! quote:do you know if this is the real reason or its just that ceo couldnt sell this guy on bein cto I briefly wondered that myself but this is the guy my friend introduced me to and vouched for his honesty and his circumstances make sense. The founder was also present and nodded as he explained why he couldn't do it. oliveoil fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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So a recruiter brought up a job as I know ruby, but then the code challenge ended up react-native and mobile development? Is that common? Is ruby mobile oriented? Tbh it was a little more fun than "regular" challenges though I dont know if that was the react or the mobile aspect
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nah ruby isn't used for mobile apps at all afaik. i'm sure there's some terrible dsl app generator but i've never heard of ruby really being used for that. it could run the backend that a mobile app hit, so you'll see crossover there. i've seen it much more with js than mobile stuff, though
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Today's (second) phone screen with Google was definitely... interesting. We had some connection problems so it didn't register until afterwards that my interviewer had actually hung up on me due to time reached without saying anything. After waiting a minute, when I called back they were confused, so I also was confused because at first I thought it was a disconnection, but I realized they actually just hung up??? Without ending the interview? They had a pretty tough time communicating with me overall and while I got my brute force solution down, I didn't get to add the 4-5 line optimization and explain the difference with the time complexity for that solution. Feel like this will cost me for sure. Frustrating how poor my experiences with Google has been, most of the interviewers have immense problems communicating and come off as very robotic. I'm sure this isn't everyone, but it's pretty frustrating to do all this prep and encounter people like this. Today was arguably my worst experience because it was a problem domain I was very familiar with from a lot of practice, I just didn't have time to add optimizations due to aforementioned issues and the problem being a bit long to explain and code. Any mention of this to my recruiter will probably come off as sour grapes so I'll probably just not say anything. Good Will Hrunting fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:So a recruiter brought up a job as I know ruby, but then the code challenge ended up react-native and mobile development? Is that common? Is ruby mobile oriented? It's common that recruiters don't know what the gently caress they're talking about and will attempt to recruit anyone with a pulse regardless of whether they'd be a good fit or not. Bad recruiters are everywhere. Remember, their time commitment to you is minimal; they're juggling 15 other people at the same time as you. Internal recruiters for companies are better than head hunting firms like Robert Half. Avoid those like the plague.
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RubyMotion technically exists but it thankfully never caught on, and even if you love Ruby a company using it would be a giant red flag.
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Today's (second) phone screen with Google was definitely... interesting. We had some connection problems so it didn't register until afterwards that my interviewer had actually hung up on me due to time reached without saying anything. After waiting a minute, when I called back they were confused, so I also was confused because at first I thought it was a disconnection, but I realized they actually just hung up??? Without ending the interview? lol
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Today's (second) phone screen with Google was definitely... interesting. We had some connection problems so it didn't register until afterwards that my interviewer had actually hung up on me due to time reached without saying anything. After waiting a minute, when I called back they were confused, so I also was confused because at first I thought it was a disconnection, but I realized they actually just hung up??? Without ending the interview? I have zero desire to work there now, thanks
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It's starting to sound like Google's hiring process screens out well rounded people!
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Today's (second) phone screen with Google was definitely... interesting. We had some connection problems so it didn't register until afterwards that my interviewer had actually hung up on me due to time reached without saying anything. After waiting a minute, when I called back they were confused, so I also was confused because at first I thought it was a disconnection, but I realized they actually just hung up??? Without ending the interview? They had a pretty tough time communicating with me overall and while I got my brute force solution down, I didn't get to add the 4-5 line optimization and explain the difference with the time complexity for that solution. Feel like this will cost me for sure. Tell your recruiter. It's part of their job to deal with this kind of bs. Worst case nothing happens
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Today's (second) phone screen with Google was definitely... interesting. We had some connection problems so it didn't register until afterwards that my interviewer had actually hung up on me due to time reached without saying anything. After waiting a minute, when I called back they were confused, so I also was confused because at first I thought it was a disconnection, but I realized they actually just hung up??? Without ending the interview? They had a pretty tough time communicating with me overall and while I got my brute force solution down, I didn't get to add the 4-5 line optimization and explain the difference with the time complexity for that solution. Feel like this will cost me for sure. That sucks and is definitely not Ok. Tell you main point of contact about this experience.
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Yeah that Google interview is bullshit. It would be less of a fuss if you basically didn't have a one-year cooldown to try again.
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Jose Valasquez posted:Tell your recruiter. It's part of their job to deal with this kind of bs. Worst case nothing happens
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OTOH, this poo poo also hurts the motivation to work for Google: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58171716
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