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I'm wondering whether Crayak yanked the Howlers out of there (the same way the Ellimist seems to have done to the Animorphs a second later) or whether he just... deleted them, the moment Jake infected them with the true knowledge of What They'd Done, because they'd no longer be useful to him. And if they have a truly collective memory, one unhampered by space and time... it's more than those six that just got unpersoned.
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The Animorphs defeated an entire species by stealing their innocence from them. There's a metaphor in there, I think.
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 13:28 |
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freebooter posted:I'm wondering whether Crayak yanked the Howlers out of there (the same way the Ellimist seems to have done to the Animorphs a second later) or whether he just... deleted them, the moment Jake infected them with the true knowledge of What They'd Done, because they'd no longer be useful to him. Patience, grasshopper. But I'm not adding the Howlers to my list of genocides as of now, at least.
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# ? Aug 9, 2021 15:19 |
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Chapter 26quote:He was huge. So, yep, those Howlers were destroyed, too late for Crayak. Chapter 27 quote:We were no longer with Crayak. We were back in that weird, n-dimensional space where inside was outside and nothing made any sense at all. So now I'm going to add the Howlers to my list of genocide. They're useless to Crayak now, and I don't think Crayak keeps things that are useless to them. And this is again the Ellimist's games within games. Even if the Yeerks take over humanity....even if they beat the Andalites, eventually they'll run into the Iskoort, and maybe the Iskoort will give them a chance to change their destiny and turn back from the path they've chosen into a healthier one. Also, things turned out well for Guide, and I liked Guide. He put up with a lot. Jake, meanwhile, remembers he killed a child. Ok, so that wraps up The Attack? Did you like it? I know I did. It dealt with some pretty heavy stuff, and it introduced Crayak, who you can be sure we'll meet again. So, tomorrow we start Book 27, The Exposed. It's a Rachel book, but by now, I'm pretty sure everyone knows the order of the narrators, and it was ghostwritten by Laura Battyanyi-Wiess, who I do have info about, so we'll talk about her tomorrow. It's pretty good.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 04:01 |
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This was the last book I read as a kid and, for me, it was a good one. As I posted before, I'd outgrown Animorphs by this point and it no longer made sense to buy books that I'd finish in an hour. Maybe if I had ended on one of the weaker ghostwritten books, my opinion of the series would be lower, but ending here ended it on a high note. It's a good book. Awesome alien worlds, good action sequences, moral philosophizing, high stakes, and true love. What more could you want?
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 04:18 |
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It's a classic. KA is always fun when she gets to let her Star Trek/space opera creativity loose. 27 is also a classic. In fact I think 27, 29 and 30 are all really good, which is a nice way to begin the ghostwriting era. (I don't think 28 is bad but I barely remember it at all, and I loved Ax when I was a kid, so I'm assuming it's meh at best.)
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 04:25 |
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Epicurius posted:Jake, meanwhile, remembers he killed a child. I mean, just a few books ago they permanently imprisoned a child as a tiny short-lived mammal, and is that much of a difference? I guess they tell themselves that it is.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 04:39 |
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Fuschia tude posted:I mean, just a few books ago they permanently imprisoned a child as a tiny short-lived mammal, and is that much of a difference? They tell themselves it is. Also, Jake morphed the Howler, and experienced first hand its mental state and collective memories. That's got to have an effect.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 04:51 |
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I didn't think about this before, but why doesn't Jake's memories get added to the collective pool when he morphs the Howler? I guess the consciousness is only one way when you morph?
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 04:56 |
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Edna Mode posted:I didn't think about this before, but why doesn't Jake's memories get added to the collective pool when he morphs the Howler? I guess the consciousness is only one way when you morph? Maybe it's not retroactive, it just sends off information about current events as they happen?
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 05:21 |
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Shame they're still sticking to their not morphing a sentient species unless they really have to rule, since a Howler would be an insanely effective battle morph.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 05:28 |
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Epicurius posted:Chapter 26 I had been following pretty much just as fast as the thread went because I've been really digging the commentary, but this book was one that got me to dig up the ebooks and speed through it myself. Really really enjoyed this one. I read a few more after this one and I feel like this is also the beginning of the really really hard tip over the edge and in to full on spiraling of both the mental state of the kids and the stuff they get forced to deal with and do.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 05:35 |
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It may or may not be deliberate but the Howlers being literal child soldiers makes them directly comparable with the Animorphs, who are the same. The difference is the Animorphs understand the magnitude of what they’re doing, which is infinitely more traumatizing.
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Edna Mode posted:I didn't think about this before, but why doesn't Jake's memories get added to the collective pool when he morphs the Howler? I guess the consciousness is only one way when you morph? Yeah I'd guess since memories are stored in the brain, not DNA, and the information stored in your own brain presumably gets shoved off into Z-space when you morph, all the Howler collective memory has to take from a morphed Howler is a blank slate.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 06:49 |
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Theres a lot of heavy stuff in this one but the Iskoort are so funny and I love Guide and the fact that he probably owns the planet now so overall its a feel-good experience.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 06:52 |
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Do we know how long a yeerk lives? Its pretty funny to imagine V3 showing up at the Iskoort planet owned by the decedent's of the guide and seeing the memories of the animorphs. Great book overall though.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 09:08 |
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:It may or may not be deliberate but the Howlers being literal child soldiers makes them directly comparable with the Animorphs, who are the same. The difference is the Animorphs understand the magnitude of what they’re doing, which is infinitely more traumatizing. This is my take. The Howlers were a direct parallel to the Animorphs, all that power and that terrible mission, with no understanding of what they're doing or the consequences.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 13:15 |
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Cythereal posted:This is my take. The Howlers were a direct parallel to the Animorphs, all that power and that terrible mission, with no understanding of what they're doing or the consequences. I think that's true, which is why both of them are the "pawns" in the game, to an extent. The Animorphs, though, do recognize the moral weight of their fight. They know it's not a game and that they're hurting real people/Hork-Bajir when they get into fights. I think a lot of what the book is about is realizing that the Howlers are moral innocents. They don't have the emotional maturity to understand what they're doing is wrong, but they're still the enemy, and have to be fought to save the Iskoort and themselves. Then you have Eric, who knows the Howlers are moral innocents and just doesn't care. For him, it's a lot simpler. The Howlers attacked his peaceful homeland and killed his masters and now they have to die. He's just physically incapable of doing it himself. But this has been the most emotional book for him. Sure, the Chee don't like the Yeerks. They're morally concerned about the Yeerks. They're concerned about the long term future of dogs (and humans too, they guess) if the Yeerks come to power. but they don't hate the Yeerks the way they hate the Howlers.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 20:02 |
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It's interesting that we didn't get a reaction from Erek at the end there. I mean, as far as everyone knows, this small group has been wiped out and the larger group will probably also be destroyed. Erek got his revenge. I suppose we could attribute it to this being Jake's POV, and he had other concerns at the time.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 20:48 |
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Last book I remember from as a kid too.
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# ? Aug 10, 2021 23:27 |
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Pretty interesting that 25/26 seems to be where a lot of people dropped out. I'd assume that maybe if they were doing a book a month, that's two years into the series, and a lot of people were aging out of it by then? Maybe I started reading them younger because I dropped out twice the time later, at 44, though I think that was also because the quality was beginning to dip and the premise of 44 (one of the most egregious examples of "build a plot around a new animal to put on the cover") was the last straw.
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# ? Aug 11, 2021 00:22 |
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I just couldn't keep track of what books I'd read by this point. I didn't read a single David book yet read this one. I think there's even a book that repeats the name of an earlier one too. Just making a list seems obvious in hindsight but like hell I'd ever be able to find that.
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# ? Aug 11, 2021 00:36 |
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I have to admit, I genuinely forget when we actually get the next major change to the status quo after this. I mean something like, finding Ax, discovering the Chee, having contact with he Andalits, Tobias getting his morphing powers back, freeing the Hork Bajir, finding the blue box, i.e. stuff that actually has relevance to the overarching plot and has an impact on more than one book. I think we get more on the peace movement, but other than that, I can't really think of anything in the next 20+ books, until we hit the final phase.
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e X posted:I have to admit, I genuinely forget when we actually get the next major change to the status quo after this. I mean something like, finding Ax, discovering the Chee, having contact with he Andalits, Tobias getting his morphing powers back, freeing the Hork Bajir, finding the blue box, i.e. stuff that actually has relevance to the overarching plot and has an impact on more than one book. I think we get more on the peace movement, but other than that, I can't really think of anything in the next 20+ books, until we hit the final phase. I'd say the next and last big shakeup starts around book 45 and continues up to the end. But who knows. I could be wrong. Guess we'll have to keep reading to find out.
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# ? Aug 11, 2021 01:46 |
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Epicurius posted:I'd say the next and last big shakeup starts around book 45 and continues up to the end. But who knows. I could be wrong. Guess we'll have to keep reading to find out. You said you came to this series late. Have you read them all through yourself?
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# ? Aug 11, 2021 02:00 |
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Book 27-The Exposed As I mentioned before, this book was ghostwritten by Laura Battyanyi-Wiess, who was responsible for three Animorph books in total. She's a published author under her own name, writing as Laura Wiess, and she's 5 young adult fiction books written for Simon and Schuster. I haven't read the books, but just reading the descriptions, they seem to be about pretty heavy topics. So, her first book, "Such a Pretty Girl" is about this 15 year old girl who's dad went to prison for physically and sexually abusing her. Now he's back out and moved back in with her and her mother. Another book of hers is about someone with a seemingly perfect life, and then it all goes to hell, when her father, a police officer, commits suicide after being responsible for the death of a young man, and the rest of the family is torn apart. Like I said, I haven't read them, but they seem to get good reviews. Chapter 1 quote:My name is Rachel. We get the standard 'here's the premise of the series' thing, but I liked this one, all things considered. Chapter 2 quote:“Say what?” I snapped. Just to get out of the way, I like the line "We're not normal kids". But it's Erek the Chee again! And he's malfunctioning. In a mall. A public mall, surrounded by people.
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# ? Aug 11, 2021 03:48 |
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Fuschia tude posted:You said you came to this series late. Have you read them all through yourself? I have, almost, although there were one or two near the end that I missed, or at least, didn't read until I was rereading the series in preparation for the Lets Read.
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quote:“Whoa! That can’t be good,” I said. Do you remember Spencer's Gifts? Are they still around? They were always the store in the mall that had no good reason to be there but was anyway. Also, Erek is undervaluing himself there. He'd be priceless. ETA: Apparently, Spencer's does still exist for some reason. Chapter 4 quote:I found a pay phone that wasn’t being used. I punched in Jake’s number and waited while it rang. Be home, I thought, chewing on my bottom lip. "How have you people managed to avoid getting caught for this long" is a really good question. And Erek's total sense of offended dignity is just pretty funny.
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 04:55 |
I'm dying at the designer underwear
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 05:08 |
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The Howler one was the lost one I read as a kid too. I went back and read them all as an adult, but I have absolutely no memory of this one so maybe I missed it. I like it so far though.
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 05:28 |
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Ahh I remember this one being very entertaining.
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 06:58 |
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I don't remember this happening before. Am I blanking on a detail from an earlier book, or is this a fill-the-reader-in-later situation?
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 13:13 |
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I think Marco saw his hologram flicker when he got hit by a bus in the book where he was introduced.
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 14:12 |
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I remember at some point his hologram malfunctioned in the mall when all 6 of them were there — they had to stand in a circle around him and prevent Ax from going through the trash for cigarette butts and Cinnabuns. I don’t know for sure what book though, that scene just stands out in my mind. Loads of great 90s references in here! Teletubbies, Hanson, Clinton…and Spencer’s Gifts itself, where every teen (including Rachel with the price tag!) learns to shoplift or otherwise commit retail fraud.
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 14:31 |
"Sorry" he apologized is just such a clunker.
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# ? Aug 12, 2021 20:53 |
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Epicurius posted:Fortunately, there was a big sale on at the department store, so not that many people noticed. At least, that was my explanation then. Oh yeah, I forgot there's a bit of Ellimist deus ex machina-ing again in this one. The sea was angry that day, my friends...
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# ? Aug 13, 2021 00:01 |
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New chapters coming tomorrow. Sorry, everyone.
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# ? Aug 13, 2021 04:55 |
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freebooter posted:Oh yeah, I forgot there's a bit of Ellimist deus ex machina-ing again in this one. The sea was angry that day, my friends... I thought that was the drode
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# ? Aug 13, 2021 05:25 |
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Chapter 5quote:We caught a bus to Erek’s neighborhood and climbed down, feeling lucky. So there is kind of the "How do I balance my ordinary life with being an Animorph" here that you saw in the earlier books. Chapter 6 quote:Mr. King, Erek’s “father,” was sitting on the couch. He had a TV remote in one hand and a pretzel rod in the other. A few notes here. First, apparently Chee can eat, as we see that Mr. King got frozen when he was about to eat a pretzel stick. Second, “I’m passing as a junior high school kid.” is just funny. I'm feeling like Erek is getting a lot of really good lines here. Third, the Chee are so committed to pacifism, they can't even ask the Animorphs to rescue a fellow Chee because they MIGHT get hurt.
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# ? Aug 14, 2021 03:53 |
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At this stage I have to imagine that the Chee just enjoy doing various human things for the fun of it, Lourdes was a movie star and unless she was trying to discover subversive communist sympathisers in Hollywood she was just having a good time and not undercover like the Chee are now. So I'm choosing to believe the android pretending to be Erek's dad just really loves mowing the lawn, grilling and other Hank Hill type dad activities.
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