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chaleski posted:Imagine complaining about any character who's not Seraphine when her whole "struggling artist who earnestly posts on social media about mental health but is also a K-pop star" thing exists This is the only correct answer. Also I need to know about this ex-riot employee's girlfriend thing? It sounds like exactly the trainwreck I need right now.
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An ex-girlfriend of an ex-Riot employee claims that Seraphine was based on her. Riot says that didn't happen, and that her ex boyfriend both left Riot more than year before the accusation was made and was never in a position to make creative decisions. But then again Riot also said that they didn't make KDA Seraphine first and tried to retroactively shove her into Runeterra, and I don't really believe that, so.
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Aug 7, 2021 21:45
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Hellioning posted:An ex-girlfriend of an ex-Riot employee claims that Seraphine was based on her. I remember when this all dropped and on one hand the accusation on its face seems pretty wild but on the other hand, at least to me, her actual photos vs the art seemed like maybe there was something there. If I'm remembering right, very similar poses, kind of similar backgrounds, accessories were all the same...I dunno. Also, champs start development easily more than a year before they go live, so that doesn't mean poo poo. Some are in dev significantly longer than that (there's champs that have come out that have been in the pipeline for years in various forms) as they get tweaked and reworked, so that doesn't mean poo poo.
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Aug 7, 2021 21:55
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ive never seen a twee indie girl with pink hair before, it probably couldnt be a coincidence
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Aug 7, 2021 22:18
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the guy who designed the champ is married to a small asian woman with pink hair
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Aug 7, 2021 22:20
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cant believe that guy makes his wife dress up like that other guys ex girlfriend. this company
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Aug 7, 2021 22:29
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rabidsquid posted:cant believe that guy makes his wife dress up like that other guys ex girlfriend. this company 
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Aug 8, 2021 00:37
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Waterfall Watcher posted:But in all seriousness we should take the ire away from the obvious scapegoats that riot puts in front of us to distract us from the real shitster in this game: Yorick and all five people who main him post and pre rework. You wanna fight bro, meet me in patch 11.7 and we'll fuckin go.
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Aug 8, 2021 00:52
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https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Eyenetrat https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Filegingu Gee, how can Riot ever catch people trolling in game and intentionally throwing games - it's such a hard thing to figure out, even when it is reported (reported them a few days ago and sent a replay file through a website ticket directly to Riot, and they just keep intentionally throwing games as a duo, and I mean clearly intentionally, like AFKing in the bush and taking Yuumi support to top lane). They really take in-game trolling seriously, it is very important to Riot.
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Aug 8, 2021 01:17
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I think the problem is they don't have more unique ideas that isn't explored. Instead of pop idol champions, why can't we have a champ based on something more unique like a flagellant who channels incoming damage and uses their own death as a core mechanic instead of one last chance at payback for being bursted like Karthus? You executed me? Too bad, I now popped an ult that will let my team finish you off.
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Aug 9, 2021 21:24
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gyrobot posted:I think the problem is they don't have more unique ideas that isn't explored. Instead of pop idol champions, why can't we have a champ based on something more unique like a flagellant who channels incoming damage and uses their own death as a core mechanic instead of one last chance at payback for being bursted like Karthus? You executed me? Too bad, I now popped an ult that will let my team finish you off. Karthus, Tryndamere, Olaf, Aatrox 1.0 and 2.0, Sion, Mundo, Sett, and probably some I'm forgetting are all variations on those concepts. I guess you could argue there aren't any that fit that specific description but saying that mechanics around taking damage and dying is an unexplored design space is very silly
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Aug 9, 2021 22:12
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gyrobot posted:I think the problem is they don't have more unique ideas that isn't explored. Instead of pop idol champions, why can't we have a champ based on something more unique like a flagellant who channels incoming damage and uses their own death as a core mechanic instead of one last chance at payback for being bursted like Karthus? You executed me? Too bad, I now popped an ult that will let my team finish you off. you just described the champion sion
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Aug 9, 2021 22:13
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Huskar, the Sacred Warrior ftw
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Aug 9, 2021 22:47
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Imagine how funny it would be if Spectre made it into the game
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Aug 9, 2021 22:55
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SKULL.GIF posted:Imagine how funny it would be if Murky made it into the game
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Aug 9, 2021 23:06
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Murky in League would be legitimately hilarious.
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Aug 9, 2021 23:08
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Just 1:1 copy over murky and abathur imo
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Aug 9, 2021 23:51
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Split on if Abathur would be brutally owned in a game with teleport and wards, or if his constant global presence would make up for not being able to exploit farting out bugs. Murky would 100% be a split push fiend though. 25% the value of a normal hero, 8 second respawns (near the fight, no less), a 3 second stun for teamfights, and the ability to use his egg to effectively teleport to another lane? Absolutely filthy in League. E: On second thought, if Abathur kept one of his ults he'd probably snap League over his [lack of] legs. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Aug 10, 2021 00:09
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I want Murky and Naz and Kharazhim and also if they could combine Varian and Sonya and cram that into Garen that would be just ducky.
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Aug 10, 2021 02:45
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speaking of dota heros in league, remember beta twisted fate with his goof-rear end original version of gate where it was his e and had a 30 second cd at max rank
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Aug 10, 2021 02:56
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Monicro posted:Karthus, Tryndamere, Olaf, Aatrox 1.0 and 2.0, Sion, Mundo, Sett, and probably some I'm forgetting are all variations on those concepts. I guess you could argue there aren't any that fit that specific description but saying that mechanics around taking damage and dying is an unexplored design space is very silly Yeah I forget about them, but the idea of Pyke's execute backfiring because the champ wants to die would twist the execution mechanic
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Aug 10, 2021 08:37
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ah yes, the old sniper aghs upgrade
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Aug 10, 2021 09:30
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Oh man. Why does the biggest and most successful moba have to be the one with all the dull as dirt abilities and items. HotS sounds as fun as dota was with that poo poo. edit: I know I didn't imagine it, does anyone know where they can find that really old rear end article they put out about design philosophy where they were talking about like, ability readability or something like that, and then preceded to call out by name all my favorite dota mechanics as things they never plan on doing. Like bloodseekers ult, invoker in general, auras and global abilities, manaburn ect. It was around the time they started changing a whole bunch of abilities to not be global anymore and cutting out item and sonas auras. Whitenoise Poster fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Aug 10, 2021 09:38
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They tried being innovative and we got Yuumi so idk
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Aug 10, 2021 09:41
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The main problem with the other 2 is Dota 2 loving sucks and HotS has the eternal problem of being tied to Blizzard's balance mentality and also their support design which is dull as poo poo. If you think League's healing is stupid you probably don't want to spend too long in HotS where there's a character who heals all allies around him with no mana cost and also doesn't have to stop moving to attack.
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Aug 10, 2021 09:49
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If they want to keep releasing new champs but don't want to increase complexity I say its time to really think outside the box and release a champion with no abilities
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Aug 10, 2021 10:09
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Whenever I think about it I am still kinda surprised that Riot has never tried to make a champion that works like Invoker.
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Aug 10, 2021 10:18
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Barudak posted:If they want to keep releasing new champs but don't want to increase complexity I say its time to really think outside the box and release a champion with no abilities Thematically is a minion.
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Aug 10, 2021 10:18
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My genius brain idea for LoL: make grievous wounds way more common but in smaller amounts. Stick it on loads of items but in 10-20% increments, basically the same as CDR or whatever. Having an 800g item taking a slot for 25 mins feels bad. Having one item available per archetype feels bad.
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The Shortest Path posted:Whenever I think about it I am still kinda surprised that Riot has never tried to make a champion that works like Invoker. Aphelios is like a more awkward Invoker with fewer (and significantly less powerful) abilities, down to juggling njsykora posted:The main problem with the other 2 is Dota 2 loving sucks and HotS has the eternal problem of being tied to Blizzard's balance mentality and also their support design which is dull as poo poo. If you think League's healing is stupid you probably don't want to spend too long in HotS where there's a character who heals all allies around him with no mana cost and also doesn't have to stop moving to attack. Dota 2 is good actually; not as easily readable visually as League, and a lot of the modern "so we're really not going to beat League, huh" changes & heroes have been pathetic, but its still fun and has a large source of gimmicks that Riot's drawn from for years. HOTS definitely has a heal creep problem; its ARAM is possibly the most tedious and mind-numbing of any moba I've played, and I've played quite a few. That said Riot should draw their design team's attention towards their heroes for inspiration, especially considering the creative drought they seem to be going through WRT unique hero roles. also maybe Infinite Crisis. And I wouldn't mind seeing a five-ability Churnwalker. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Neurolimal posted:Dota 2 is good actually No it loving sucks.
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Aug 10, 2021 10:44
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Grievous Wounds remains a really awkward way to do counter-healing. Because it basically negates an entire method/playstyle, or isn't worth taking. When it is worth taking, it's for characters who you otherwise could not kill without it, which means all other healing in the game either has to match, or is made completely useless when Grievous Wounds are around. In turn if you don't need Grievous Wounds it's a huge waste of gold. Realistically, it either needs to change mechanically (imagine if Grievous Wounds reduced the targets maximum health instead of the healing taken, but not in like an actual health reduction way just a can't be healed back past this point way that falls off) or be removed and have healing rebalanced (toned down until it's roughly where it is now when grievous wounds is applied, or slightly stronger than that as necessary).
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The Shortest Path posted:Whenever I think about it I am still kinda surprised that Riot has never tried to make a champion that works like Invoker. Like I mentioned in an edit, they 100% had some sort of interview or article or SOMETHING where they named Invoker as something they would never put into the game for like, player clarity or burden of knowledge or whatever the exact phrase was. Wish I could find it. Edit: Oh, okay, The quotes I'm thinking of seem to be from now completely gone dev posts on forums. I see a bunch of different people and articles talking about the posts but every direct link is dead. Whitenoise Poster fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Aug 10, 2021 11:10
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Like I mentioned in an edit, they 100% had some sort of interview or article or SOMETHING where they named Invoker as something they would never put into the game for like, player clarity or burden of knowledge or whatever the exact phrase was. Wish I could find it. It's from the old forums and long gone, but the post specifically called out Invoker because he was overly complicated (although I think this was the original 27 spell Invoker where order mattered), and bloodseeker because dying to rupture isn't something that immediately makes sense visually. You get a huge bleed animation and think run away from the thing that did it, and in doing so kill yourself.
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I'd say just gently caress all that and make people read champ descriptions but I still have fond memories of playing release pyke and getting flamed by zed players when I ulted their opponent
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Honestly as far as healing reduction goes I think they'd be way better off ripping off Smite of all games. If you haven't played Smite, or haven't played it in a long time, Smite has several extremely powerful healers, like they can pump out a ton more healing and often more damage than league counterparts. They also have a whole series of items for things like spellvamp that increase rapidly as you build them. It's also worth noting that if you get ahead in smite you can absolutely 1v9, they aren't messing around with how strong gods get late game. This used to be a huge problem because it meant versus some gods trading was just impossible, and in late game you either killed them or they came back 10 seconds later with full health. A few seasons ago they changed it to just default apply a grievous wounds style healing reduction across the board if you haven't been in active combat for 3 seconds iirc. The main source of anti healing as well is a tank item that just supplies it as an aura so it's nice and easy to work with. Outside of aura items, each unique source of healing reduction stacks, so rather than just being a tax so that you're always able to apply it three people building healing reduction will basically reduce it to 0 for a single target Then again, Smite is certainly not afraid to take risks, they just removed boots entirely from the game since gods would only ever build one type of boots depending on their role. It's kind of nice since it means you get the item slot for something more interesting instead
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league of legends could use a spinoff where every character is like aphelios or whatever. part of what made league great is simpler characters with great amounts of depth that are fun to just move around and play, and i think riot completely forgot about this as of late as their new stuff goes against their old design ethos and the two clash quite a bit
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That'll probably be the ARPG characters, Aphelios is basically a late game path of exile character anyway.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:That'll probably be the ARPG characters, Aphelios is basically a late game path of exile character anyway. honestly though i could see myself going bananas over a game where every single character was of aphelios level depth and a smaller roster, perhaps in a 3v3 map. aphelios really doesnt fit in league because the champion is so complex but gets immediately shredded by rengar or camille for zero effort so it is dubious why you would bother learning him
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:That'll probably be the ARPG characters, Aphelios is basically a late game path of exile character anyway. Almost definitely, given Aphelios is the last thing CertainlyT worked on before leaving for the ARPG where he's designing the player character options (as far as I know at least).
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