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Combat Pretzel posted:Re: neuralMatch and all that jazz... How does it actually protect children though if it's scanning against an existing database? Some pedo could be using their phone to record something and because it's new at that moment there will be nothing in the database to match it against, so it sounds like it doesn't protect any children at all, but just flags stuff that they know about? Am I completely wrong and it actually has some worthwhile preventative measures for genuinely protecting children? Or is this the typical "Think of the children!" argument that makes it easier to capture whistle blowers, political dissidents and journalists under the cover of their big database of children that have already been harmed pinging "Yup, there's that picture from five years ago again" that doesn't save the poor kid in it? If it actually has some advanced neural network AI stuff to detect when this content is actually being made (and doesn't confuse it with parents taking cute videos of their kids or something) then it's actually worthwhile. If it's just matching stuff with what they already know is out there however then they're obviously buckling to political pressure to open devices up for other means. When people figure out how to duplicate those hashes it's going to be insane, an even worse form of swatting where you can ruin someone's life with a few texts. Anyways, can I have a little buying advice for the iPhone please?  I've been looking to upgrade and the 12 Pro is appealing but I've seen a lot of complaints about them overheating (or running way too hot) online with many people being frustrated, seemingly being told by Apple that it's normal and users who upgrade regularly stating it's the first iPhone to ever have this problem? Is this still an issue or has it been fixed? The only thing that makes me question this is that all the posts and complaints are not recent, which leaves me wondering if Apple fixed the issue or if the general consensus quickly became "Avoid the 12 Pro" and that's why people don't mention it any more? If it is still a problem, does anyone have recommendations for iPhones that are generally the same size but don't have this issue? I'd like to get a model as recent as possible since I know they're not supported forever, but something I can hold onto for iOS updates as long as possible would be ideal. There seems to be a lot of options for iPhones now compared to before when you'd just get the latest number and pick a screen size. I also read some stuff about the new screens apparently causing nausea/headaches/migraines for some people who are sensitive to it, and that's also a concern of mine. I assume I just avoid OLED?
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kefkafloyd posted:While NCMEC receives government funding, they are not part of the US government. If the NCMEC database gets polluted, it wouldn't just pollute Apple, it would pollute anyone who relies on it, and a lot of organizations rely on it. Why does this distinction matter? Once Apple implements this scanning they’ll prove to all governments that they can, in fact, monitor their users for certain images. Do you really think a Trump v2 is not going to compel Apple to also include these hashes of antifa or left wing or basically any anti-nazi related images? What is Apple going to do? Pack up and leave?
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Aug 8, 2021 15:43
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why does this distinction matter? Once Apple implements this scanning they’ll prove to all governments that they can, in fact, monitor their users for certain images. Do you really think a Trump v2 is not going to compel Apple to also include these hashes of antifa or left wing or basically any anti-nazi related images? What is Apple going to do? Pack up and leave? We live in a capitalist hellscape, the more likely evolution is getty images pressuring Apple to add hashes for every image getty owns. Congrats on having to download 128gb of "other" data!
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Aug 8, 2021 16:07
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why does this distinction matter? Once Apple implements this scanning they’ll prove to all governments that they can, in fact, monitor their users for certain images. Do you really think a Trump v2 is not going to compel Apple to also include these hashes of antifa or left wing or basically any anti-nazi related images? What is Apple going to do? Pack up and leave? The point is that it wouldn't just target Apple, it would target anyone who relies on that database, which includes Microsoft, pretty much any cloud service provider, and even independent hosting services who are already hashing file uploads. There are much easier attack vectors for governments to compel Apple than polluting that specific database, and they've already used them (c.f. China and iCloud servers). There's bigger problems with this approach, like targeted false positive attacks, but those vulnerabilities aren't exclusive to Apple.
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Aug 8, 2021 16:09
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I’m not saying they have to pollute the child porn database. I’m saying that the NSA, China or whoever could compel Apple to also include additional lists as a prerequisite of doing business.
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Aug 8, 2021 17:00
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Boris Galerkin posted:I’m not saying they have to pollute the child porn database. I’m saying that the NSA, China or whoever could compel Apple to also include additional lists as a prerequisite of doing business. Apple is probably more powerful than many governments. China excepted
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Aug 8, 2021 17:31
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I mean, they could write a law tomorrow that outlaws encryption or legally mandate backdoors. I don't think what Apple is doing is a good idea, but that capability has always been there in a closed-source, proprietary device and environment.
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Aug 8, 2021 17:34
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SUNKOS posted:
The back light on my 11 pro visibly flickers to me, but so does everything else in this world that uses PWM to control brightness or LEDs that run on AC power. It doesn't give me a headache or anything. Maybe it's another effect people are sensitive to Kia Soul Enthusias fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Aug 8, 2021 |
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People are apparently generating proof of concept code with neural networks, using gradient descent, to generate images that match perceptual hashes, and it seems to work rather quickly. I mean, it's still PoC code, since there's a placeholder algorithm for the hashing, but once they manage to get hold on the black box and tie both together, who knows what'll happen. That neuralMatch stuff will ship with MacOS Monterey as well. Which means you have a full blown fully accessible computer system shipping the code, that'll make it way easier to hack and extract this poo poo.
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Aug 8, 2021 21:11
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SUNKOS posted:Anyways, can I have a little buying advice for the iPhone please? This got missed, so I can answer it ! I have a 12 and 12 pro (work and personal respectively). I have absolutely no problem recommending either. My 12 pro, aka my primary phone, works great overall. I don’t have any of those screen issues with my eyes, but I guess mileage could vary there, although personally I would be surprised. I talk to customers alllllll day long, and I with both the 11 pro and the 12 series (both OLED), I never had a customer complain about eye strain or headaches. My 12 pro does occasionally get hot. Now, my iPhone is on a wireless charger on my work station all day, and there are days when I’m steaming music off it all day (sometimes it’s off my iPad or off my speaker). So I think? Sometimes it’s been because of that, but I haven’t pinpointed it. Power cycling fixes the issue in my experience. The iPhone 12 and 12 pro occasionally stop wireless charging , which is very annoying. Power cycling fixes it. This probably doesn’t happen monthly any more, maybe once every few months. It was bad at first, it has gotten better. I have no problem recommending the 11 if you Want to be cautious, and maybe you can save money getting the 11. But the 12 I think is fine and great, so if you get a good deal on it I would be comfortable recommending the 12 as well. But don’t go older than the 11, no point IMO. Reminder: new iPhone in September, although who the hell knows what availability will be.
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I won't say that I've never pulled out my phone to check that the torch or camera hadn't been accidentally butt-dialed, but I also wouldn't say that the 12 Pro runs way too hot, and certainly never overheats.
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Aug 9, 2021 02:35
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What's up with iMessage group spam? A few times over the past couple months I've gotten an iMessage with like 10 random ASCII characters sent to me and 20 other phone numbers. I can't seem to figure out how to report it to Apple, maybe that doesn't work in group context.
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Aug 9, 2021 03:23
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Duckman2008 posted:Reminder: new iPhone in September, although who the hell knows what availability will be. Is this confirmed? Last year they pushed the iPhone announcement back to October and didn’t have the Mini and Pro Max available until November. I’m guessing the production issues are back to normal.
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FCKGW posted:Is this confirmed? Last year they pushed the iPhone announcement back to October and didn’t have the Mini and Pro Max available until November. I’m guessing the production issues are back to normal. But do they? Seems like supply chain issues are still in effect.
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FCKGW posted:Is this confirmed? Last year they pushed the iPhone announcement back to October and didn’t have the Mini and Pro Max available until November. I’m guessing the production issues are back to normal. Well, new iPhone this fall at some point. You’re correct it could be October or November for all of them, but that’s why I was saying “who knows with the inventory.” God, I was working retail last September and with Covid the logistics of when said iPhones launched completely fell out of my head, it was so much more stressful than normal with all the Covid shot going on.
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Aug 9, 2021 13:17
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Duckman2008 posted:Well, new iPhone this fall at some point. You’re correct it could be October or November for all of them, but that’s why I was saying “who knows with the inventory.” I think it’ll be the same schedule of “regular model available close to announcement to take the hit of pre-orders then pro/mini models 3-4 laters since we won’t have a ton of stock for it”
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Aug 9, 2021 13:21
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I've gotten more heat with fast charging than I do with MagSafe, anyone know what's up with that if MS is supposed to be warmer? Is it because it's not pulling as many watts or something?
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Aug 9, 2021 16:04
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How does my iPhone know to not ask me to save my MasterCard information when I select “never for this card” after paying for something with my MasterCard?
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Aug 9, 2021 16:41
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boop the snoot posted:How does my iPhone know to not ask me to save my MasterCard information when I select “never for this card” after paying for something with my MasterCard? Maybe it creates a hash of the number that it compares it against?
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SUNKOS posted:
I have the 12 Pro. I did notice that it was getting the "your phone needs to cool down" screen more often than my XS ever did. It only ever happened when I used it in the car with a dashboard mount. I switched to a magnetic mount + MagSafe charger that sticks out over my air vents and haven't had that issue since. It does get warm sometimes, but I'm never noticing it being too hot in my pocket or something like that. There was some screen flickering for a while, mostly in Twitter with dark mode (the screen would flicker green with the cursor flashing) but I think a recent iOS update fixed that. I don't know anything about migraines or nausea from looking at a phone screen, never remotely been an issue for me. Overall I'm pretty happy with the phone. The only thing that hasn't been great is battery life, but I haven't drilled down into my app usage to see what's causing it yet. Only thing I would recommend is waiting until the next model is announced in September so you can save some money (or jump on the 13 or 12S or whatever if it has some killer features).
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I’ll post this here, FYI target is offering $10 back on iTunes gift cards. Haven’t seen an iTunes gift card deal in a while.
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Duckman2008 posted:I’ll post this here, FYI target is offering $10 back on iTunes gift cards. Haven’t seen an iTunes gift card deal in a while. Oh good, I need to pay off the IRS
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Aug 10, 2021 02:00
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reddit full of betrayed apple stans declaring their intent to move to an android phone running grapheneOS lol
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Not sure what they're worried about, anime isn't going to be in the hash database.
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Aug 10, 2021 03:36
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~Coxy posted:You can! Huh! I might try that one of these days. Thanks!
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It’s been posited by some folks that this may be a preemptive gimme to government that’ll allow Apple to bring end-to-end encryption to iCloud etc I don’t believe that this is a small concession made to allow for future gains but it’s a nice thought New Pixel lookin pretty good on paper, wonder if they finally got the hardware up to par
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Duckman2008 posted:I’ll post this here, FYI target is offering $10 back on iTunes gift cards. Haven’t seen an iTunes gift card deal in a while. I'm annoyed at the new gift cards allowing you to buy hardware meaning that you can't get 15% off iTunes anymore. But at least they come with a sweet Apple sticker.
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Wheeee posted:reddit full of betrayed apple stans declaring their intent to move to an android phone running grapheneOS lol Man, from what I’ve been hearing about grapheneOS from the last few months. I don’t think I’d use anything from an unhinged person.
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if you need grapheneos you actually need to just not be carrying a phone
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Apple is suddenly talking about opening up the tech to third party apps. No timeframe. So the "lol stop using iCloud" argument is eventually not valid anymore.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Apple is suddenly talking about opening up the tech to third party apps. No timeframe. So the "lol stop using iCloud" argument is eventually not valid anymore. The on device scanning/snitching opens the door up to any number of abuses, but I wonder how Apple reacts when messages, the #1 used app in their ecosystem and crown jewel of the walled garden, loses an entire generation of users.
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GoatSeeGuy posted:The on device scanning/snitching opens the door up to any number of abuses, but I wonder how Apple reacts when messages, the #1 used app in their ecosystem and crown jewel of the walled garden, loses an entire generation of users. Let’s be real here. Apple isn’t going to lose an entire generation of users because 99% of the people using iPhones don’t care, or they won’t care enough to bother switching. E: I do wonder if there will be a way to disable this scanning via enterprise controls or whatever they’re called. Yeah the scanning is all done locally on-device, but if a phone triggers “enough” warnings then the images are sent for human review presumably to some contracted out third party like what Facebook does. I imagine that this would be a huge NOPE for some industries (e.g., defense) that issue work phones. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:E: I do wonder if there will be a way to disable this scanning via enterprise controls or whatever they’re called. Yeah the scanning is all done locally on-device, but if a phone triggers “enough” warnings then the images are sent for human review presumably to some contracted out third party like what Facebook does. I imagine that this would be a huge NOPE for some industries (e.g., defense) that issue work phones. I can’t imagine anywhere with this problem isn’t already disabling iCloud completely via MDM/enterprise controls anyway, thus nothing being scanned through the cism database in the first place.
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Every post it’s mentioned in here I keep reading it as people being investigated for “CSPAM”
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Question Mark Mound posted:Every post it’s mentioned in here I keep reading it as people being investigated for “CSPAM” About drat time IMO.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Apple is suddenly talking about opening up the tech to third party apps. No timeframe. So the "lol stop using iCloud" argument is eventually not valid anymore. Can you link an article on this? I haven’t seen any talk about this being opened up come across my newsfeed, so hearing they’re looking at this is concerning.
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Wark posted:Can you link an article on this? I haven’t seen any talk about this being opened up come across my newsfeed, so hearing they’re looking at this is concerning. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-features-third-party-apps/ That’s the most I can find on the subject.
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Skeezy posted:https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-features-third-party-apps/ Thanks! I read it and it still sounds like a terrible idea. It relies on people having faith in two corporations doing the right thing and that neither would ever be strong armed into altering things by an outside force.. which is never a safe bet. I get this is actually important to address, but “think of the children” is treated like a “do whatever I say” care by some people. I have to wonder what the threat they’re trying to head off is, and why it’s so serious they’re doing something that catches this much flak.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Let’s be real here. Apple isn’t going to lose an entire generation of users because 99% of the people using iPhones don’t care, or they won’t care enough to bother switching. Slight hyperbole, but even 10% of teens moving to other nanny free messaging apps or worse, Android would be an embarrassing hit to Apple, not to mention the lack of iMessage lock in going forward. I think kids will care - even if they’re not the ones getting popped for nudes, they’ll still follow the crowd that might (or wish they might) and Apple does care about that market, a lot. Apple hasn’t made it a priority to put their products in kids’ hands for 40 years, from Apple II’s in the 80’a to iPads today out of altruism.
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Aren’t teens already texting through Snapchat? And like the rest of the world uses WhatsApp even on iPhones.
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