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Mooseontheloose posted:Their new album is great though. Fake Nudes was also good. BNL seems like one band where they're generally ok guys who love what they do. They switch off instruments a fair bit in concerts, probably because it's a lot more fun to play the hits when you're not doing the same part over and over. I saw them 2016-ish(?) and was surprised how much energy they still had.
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Fuuuck I feel the same way about War on Drugs. Stop being me, Bird!!!
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packetmantis posted:Fuuuck I feel the same way about War on Drugs. Stop being me, Bird!!! LITERALLY PACKETMANTIS  but also condolences on relating to War on Drugs 
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I remember well before they were popular they had this anti racism psa. I thought it was just a Canadian thing, but apparently it was on Fox. https://youtu.be/JtXoKOwTo2M
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There was also the other one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lpqobFsotQ Hahaha thank you for posting this; I love BNL and Team Skull and somehow I'd never seen it before. St_Ides posted:I remember well before they were popular they had this anti racism psa. I thought it was just a Canadian thing, but apparently it was on Fox. :O is this why the first (proper) album is called Gordon? But it's not even on the album! And a pre-emptive one of these for anyone feeling like Kramering in to poo poo-talk BNL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfdTnpV03p8
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juggalo baby coffin posted:during covid my friend has been streaming old episodes of The Amazing Race, and man people in the 2000s were cool just being openly racist about other countries on camera. and the tv show was pretty happy to let the female contestants get groped to hell on packed trains, and nobody, not even their partners, seemed to think it was a big deal. The initial reality TV boom was infamously exploitative garbage from day one.
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Diet Poison posted:Hahaha thank you for posting this; I love BNL and Team Skull and somehow I'd never seen it before. Gordan's image was in the liner notes of Gordon though. I remember folks showing up to shows dressed up with the foil, crown, and green skin. The earlier shows were always fantastic between the audience participation and how the guys would jam out with instrumental breaks and then dropping to the stage and doing the worm.
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MrUnderbridge posted:Howard Jones was pretty big in the 80s. His stuff was all over MTV and the radio at the time. When he was on some singing contest show some years back my wife was amazed at how good a performer he was. Oh I don't doubt his talent or how popular he was in his prime; I remember there was a group of 40+ year old Brits sitting in front of us who came just to see him (this was in the PNW, USA). As somebody born in 92 I had no clue who he was at the time until the chorus to Things Can Only Get Better started playing and I went "oh, he's that guy??" lmao I never looked into Page's solo stuff before but that track was solid
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Aug 10, 2021 04:52
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The initial reality TV boom was infamously exploitative garbage from day one. Culminating in "Megan Wants A Millionaire" getting cancelled a few episodes in when one of the contestants (who placed third in the final) was found to have murdered and mutilated the woman he married almost immediately after "Millionaire." He was filming another reality series, "I Love Money," at the time. That time period was just a bunch of awful people being thrown into stressful situations for the amusement of terrible people, and it eventally blew up. Who coulda guessed?
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Sunswipe posted:Culminating in "Megan Wants A Millionaire" getting cancelled a few episodes in when one of the contestants (who placed third in the final) was found to have murdered and mutilated the woman he married almost immediately after "Millionaire." He was filming another reality series, "I Love Money," at the time. That time period was just a bunch of awful people being thrown into stressful situations for the amusement of terrible people, and it eventally blew up. Who coulda guessed? On Reality TV murders: I forget the details, but I remember a Jerry Springer-esque show that had as it's episode theme of the day a gay guy confessing to his straight bets friend that he had a crush on him. It went badly and the straight dude murdered his friend in a fit of gay-panic. Worst part about it, he used the "gay panic" on appeal and got his conviction overturned. The family of the dead guy sued the producers, and the show was found to be negligent, but that was also overturned on appeal. I found the wikipedia page for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Scott_Amedure
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Aug 10, 2021 11:32
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There was The Dating Game back in the 70’s, which had an episode with a man who turned out to be a serial killer. 10 known victims across 2 states, and executed only like 2 weeks ago   BE WARNED https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Alcala I’m sure these shows didn’t age well to start with, but I’ve seen a clip of the one this guy was on via one of the YouTube/podcast people I follow and it’s unsettling (beyond the normal cringe of an old dating show).
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Aug 10, 2021 11:43
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Keeping this 90s music talk going, Vice had an article that I think aged badly out the gate. It’s Been Over Two Decades and Everyone Is Still Wrong About Limp Bizkit And, i get what its going for but no. The argument is that Limp Bizkit was supposed to be stupid fun and we really shouldn't blame them for Woodstock 99 and the suburban white kids who used their music as a chance to be shitheads but no.
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Aug 10, 2021 12:45
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Mooseontheloose posted:Keeping this 90s music talk going, Vice had an article that I think aged badly out the gate. It is genuinely idiotic to blame them for Woodstock 99. Nu-metal rehabilitation is annoying as a music fan but some of the discourse around that festival approaches Satanic Panic levels.
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Aug 10, 2021 13:08
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Sunswipe posted:Culminating in "Megan Wants A Millionaire" getting cancelled a few episodes in when one of the contestants (who placed third in the final) was found to have murdered and mutilated the woman he married almost immediately after "Millionaire." He was filming another reality series, "I Love Money," at the time. That time period was just a bunch of awful people being thrown into stressful situations for the amusement of terrible people, and it eventally blew up. Who coulda guessed? I love money owned, nerd
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Aug 10, 2021 13:31
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Just ONE reality show contestant ends up being a serial killer and it spoils the entire glorious VH1 Celebreality era, I'm still mad about it.
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Aug 10, 2021 13:39
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omg how dare they thrust these poor jerkoffs into such terrible situations like ~doing a scavenger hunt~ or ~bouncing around on an inflatable cushion~ If anything the VH1 shows were the LEAST exploitative reality shows, because they were clearly tongue in cheek, half the players were clearly doing a bit, and they were basically physical challenge gameshows The really terrible, exploitative, and boring reality shows are the fly on the wall MTV reality shows and the bravo ones. They're the ones either showcasing the problems of normal dumbasses or shilling out the stuff rich wankers own hawowanlawow has a new favorite as of 13:43 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Aug 10, 2021 13:41
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Tell you what media has aged well though... everything said by Tiffany "New York" Pollard. Absolute legend.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The initial reality TV boom was infamously exploitative garbage from day one. It's amazing how many reality shows got made where nobody in the production process seemed to realize how terrible or offensive they were. Like one where they lied to a bunch of American women that they were on a dating show where the guy was Prince Harry. Or the one where a woman was supposed to try and figure out which of a group of men was her biological father.
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Aug 10, 2021 14:50
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Biggest Loser is also a giant loving nightmare.
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That does sound pretty bad (and lol at one of the contestants sharing his nightmare experiences in the comments) but in terms of sheer tastelessness and aging poorly from the first second, nothing can beat the aforementioned I Want To Marry "Harry" or The Swan: https://www.vice.com/en/article/dpkpmk/how-the-most-bizarre-and-offensive-reality-tv-show-of-all-time-got-made-the-swan
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Aug 10, 2021 15:45
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Biggest Loser is also a giant loving nightmare. Isn't that another one of the ones where as soon as the cameras stop, the majority of the contestants end up backsliding because they no longer have a personal trainer to keep them on track? Along with losing access to all of the state of the art equipment and nutrition they can't afford to maintain and so on and so on?
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the_steve posted:Isn't that another one of the ones where as soon as the cameras stop, the majority of the contestants end up backsliding because they no longer have a personal trainer to keep them on track? Along with losing access to all of the state of the art equipment and nutrition they can't afford to maintain and so on and so on? I thought it was more that the methods by which they lose weight were so extreme they were basically impossible to keep up unless your occupation was "biggest loser contestant". Also they made your life miserable.
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The worst reality show by far has to be Extreme Makeover. Take an 'ugly' person, make them 'beautiful', and surprise reveal them to family and friends to a mixed reception. The Extreme Makeover: Home Edition wasn't as bad, but still had serious issues sticking a struggling family into a ridiculously large and shoddily built home they now had to maintain. the_steve posted:Isn't that another one of the ones where as soon as the cameras stop, the majority of the contestants end up backsliding because they no longer have a personal trainer to keep them on track? Along with losing access to all of the state of the art equipment and nutrition they can't afford to maintain and so on and so on? I think they try to offer them some support, but you're going from 24/7 monitoring to being on your own and that's rough. Ironically it's improved our knowledge on weight loss because they get a lot of data on the contestants. For instance your body slows it's metabolism when you lose a lot of weight. That was well known, but now we unfortunately also know that it doesn't return to 'normal' when you gain the weight back. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-years-after-the-biggest-loser-metabolism-is-slower-and-weight-is-back-up/ Krispy Wafer has a new favorite as of 16:05 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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Henchman of Santa posted:It is genuinely idiotic to blame them for Woodstock 99. Nu-metal rehabilitation is annoying as a music fan but some of the discourse around that festival approaches Satanic Panic levels. Fair enough about Woodstock 99 and this is on me for not communicating clearly but the numetal rehabilitation is more what I was talking about. By contrast, I think Vice had a much better article on the complicated legacy of Sublime.
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Aug 10, 2021 16:20
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Numetal definitely needs a second look, I mean you can't say it was all unsophisticated angsty buttrock for idiots. Why take Aaron Lewis, the former frontman of Staind for instance.quote:Lewis doesn’t specifically address who he feels is “brainwashing” the United States in his new song. However, in an interview with Blabbermouth, he said President Obama should have been impeached “a long f–king time ago.” He’s also a staunch supporter of former President Donald Trump. Oh... oh.
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Aug 10, 2021 16:26
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back at the height of the buttrock era, when staind and good Charlotte, etc were huge, some guy gave me poo poo for liking queens of the stone age because "all their stuff sounds the same" 
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hawowanlawow posted:back at the height of the buttrock era, when staind and good Charlotte, etc were huge, some guy gave me poo poo for liking queens of the stone age because "all their stuff sounds the same"
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Y’all ever think about how wild it is that we had a reality show where the grand prize was Flavor Flav?
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exquisite tea posted:Numetal definitely needs a second look, I mean you can't say it was all unsophisticated angsty buttrock for idiots. Why take Aaron Lewis, the former frontman of Staind for instance. Staind is post-grunge 
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Henchman of Santa posted:Staind is post-grunge Staind on my tightly-whiteys more like. That band was always whiny and useless even when they were popular. And I’m saying this as a kid listening to alt-rock at the time, aka the target audience.
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hawowanlawow posted:back at the height of the buttrock era, when staind and good Charlotte, etc were huge, some guy gave me poo poo for liking queens of the stone age because "all their stuff sounds the same" Well, going back to BNL talk being a white kid in the suburbs, liking anything that wasn't hard like Korn, Limp Bizkit, ect. was basically being told you were a wuss. Now, obviously looking back on it, lots of people DIDN'T like this music but pop culture will pop culture. Also, the white grievance politics surrounding the genre probably DOES deserve some reflection.
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Arivia posted:Staind on my tightly-whiteys more like. That band was always whiny and useless even when they were popular. And I’m saying this as a kid listening to alt-rock at the time, aka the target audience. Nobody said they were good. They just didn't make nu-metal.
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Arivia posted:Staind on my tightly-whiteys more like. That band was always whiny and useless even when they were popular. And I’m saying this as a kid listening to alt-rock at the time, aka the target audience. I know they went downhill fast with all the "I hate my dad" songs, but recall the first album being okay.
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exquisite tea posted:Numetal definitely needs a second look, I mean you can't say it was all unsophisticated angsty buttrock for idiots. Why take Aaron Lewis, the former frontman of Staind for instance. Yeah Aaron Lewis sucks, and I say that as someone that loved the first Staind album as a youth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxj-H72wmeM
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Limp Bizkit definitely cannot be considered "good" in any broad sense (some good songs/moments for sure). But it is hard to overstate just how insufferable the critical backlash to them and the rest of nu-metal was. It doesn't help that that era was also pretty much the nadir of music journalism in general. Just a huge amount of gatekeeping and trying to separate "real" music from popular music. I'm not sure which was the chicken and which was the egg, but nu-metal and turn-of-the-millennium music critics were perfectly positioned to destroy each other. And I guess they kinda did.
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Nu-metal was so bad it made people think lame New York indie rock was good.
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Limp Bizkit are also pretty fun to watch live these days. Admittedly I've been utterly smashed each time I've seen them but it's been a blast.
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I mean the only people that still hate my metal never really grew up from the angsty teens they were, and the rest of the world left them behind years sgo
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean the only people that still hate my metal never really grew up from the angsty teens they were, and the rest of the world left them behind years sgo I haven't heard your metal but it does probably suck
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