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For what it's worth I doubt the ending he has in mind is Jagganoth successfully killing everyone in the multiverse. But then, no one in this thread, myself included, is capable of this kind of creation and we probably shouldn't pretend to be by speculating. It must be nice to have been born with talent.
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Even nicer, to have been working your butt off for years and years, developing your S-tier creative skills.
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Flesnolk posted:we probably shouldn't pretend to be by speculating otoh, like,   the innate heroic couple, the binding of the wheels
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atriptothebeach posted:otoh, like, Furry costumes are getting way out of hand these days
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atriptothebeach posted:otoh, like, It's kind of interesting how this is both completely in line with some of the themes established in the comic and 100% at odds with others.
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put Jagg in the voltron via the binding+the howevermany cubit spear, have an interiority sequence like Alison's with the different versions of herself but there's also the different versions of Yaun ten Jantris and Cio and White Chain, and they can all have a big argument and come to clarity of purpose that way and Zoss can even creep on the whole show from behind a pillar and stare meaningfully at Alison if he needs to
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I wonder how the next sequence of events ends up with Alison losing an arm and an eye rather than vaporization.
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Grouchio posted:I wonder how the next sequence of events ends up with Alison losing an arm and an eye rather than vaporization. Is that the side of her body that's holding the spear?
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Flesnolk posted:For what it's worth I doubt the ending he has in mind is Jagganoth successfully killing everyone in the multiverse. But then, no one in this thread, myself included, is capable of this kind of creation and we probably shouldn't pretend to be by speculating. It must be nice to have been born with talent. https://twitter.com/orbitaldropkick/status/1341439216195153920
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Grouchio posted:I wonder how the next sequence of events ends up with Alison losing an arm and an eye rather than vaporization. Aspected Chaos loses an arm and eye and when they're gonna separate they all go "gently caress I hope that doesn't carry over to us individually" then after they do Alison loses them while Cio and WC are fine and just yells Goddammit for a whole page hopping on one foot
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Studies have found practise doesn't actually help. You have it in you or you don't.
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Flesnolk posted:Studies have found practise doesn't actually help. You have it in you or you don't. that's really not the case lmao
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Flesnolk posted:Studies have found practise doesn't actually help. You have it in you or you don't. Studies have LITTERALLY found the opposite. Where are you getting your poo poo from?
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troll in the dungeon troll in the dungeon
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Sam Sanskrit posted:Studies have LITTERALLY found the opposite. Where are you getting your poo poo from? https://www.vox.com/2016/5/30/11767704/practice-doesnt-make-perfect https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691616635591 Although it primarily talks about sports, similar findings are mentioned for creative pursuits. People good enough to do these things for a living are born, not made.
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Flesnolk posted:https://www.vox.com/2016/5/30/11767704/practice-doesnt-make-perfect https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691616635591 your links explicitly say that practice does make a difference
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Only a small difference, and real success is down to inborn ability, not practice.
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also, like, that's explicitly talking about athletic ability and not practice in general, like abadon's tweet you originally got mad at
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Flesnolk posted:Studies have found practise doesn't actually help. You have it in you or you don't. Have you never gotten good at anything in your life?
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Flesnolk posted:Only a small difference, and real success is down to inborn ability, not practice. These articles say nothing about artistic skill
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Yeah that's weird, I was sure I remembered it talking about artistic ability and stuff too. I might have mixed it up with a different one that I'll try to find. Still, if you're good enough to actually accomplish things, like sporting or artistic success, rather than being a hobbyist stuck behind a register at Pottery Barn all your miserable days, you were born that way. Mostly what I find searching is a bunch of platitudes from nobodies about "of course practice matters!!!!"
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Flesnolk posted:Yeah that's weird, I was sure I remembered it talking about artistic ability and stuff too. I might have mixed it up with a different one that I'll try to find. Still, if you're good enough to actually accomplish things, like sporting or artistic success, rather than being a hobbyist stuck behind a register at Pottery Barn all your miserable days, you were born that way. Mostly what I find searching is a bunch of platitudes from nobodies about "of course practice matters!!!!" Or maybe there's more factors to success than whatever you're pulling out of your broken brain.
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this is the worst loving troll attempt
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Not everything you disagree with is trolling. I'll concede I don't remember what my original goal was bringing this up, though. Probably just to say there's no point in mere mortals like us speculating on what Abaddon will do next.
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Flesnolk posted:Still, if you're good enough to actually accomplish things, like sporting or artistic success, rather than being a hobbyist stuck behind a register at Pottery Barn all your miserable days, you were born that way. I think I get what you might be trying to say. Yes, it definitely helps if you are passionate about what you're practicing, and we aren't all necessarily capable of doing everything, even if we do commit a lot of time and effort to practicing. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't help to practice.
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Flesnolk posted:Not everything you disagree with is trolling. I'll concede I don't remember what my original goal was bringing this up, though. Probably just to say there's no point in mere mortals like us speculating on what Abaddon will do next. it's more charitable to assume you're a troll than to actually suggest you believe this Genetic Predestination bullshit you're posting, but if you insist
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Dammerung posted:I think I get what you might be trying to say. Yes, it definitely helps if you are passionate about what you're practicing, and we aren't all necessarily capable of doing everything, even if we do commit a lot of time and effort to practicing. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't help to practice. Nobody in the Olympics, or the professional leagues of any sport, got there by practising, it was innate ability. Any composer whose name people care to remember was a child prodigy. Any author, artist, actor, etc. who got anywhere of note was great from the word go. Maybe you can be Generic Hack Airport Novelist #97 by practising enough, but you're born Vladimir Nabokov.
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if this actually is realtalk i'm sorry you've convinced yourself that it's not worth trying at anything because you'll never be good enough, because trying absolutely does make a difference and that was part of abadon's entire point also, we have the internet now, and people have been on the internet long enough that there are thousands of artists out there that you can see improve by leaps and bounds over a decade+ of practice. sure, you might not be a hidden virtuoso and won't be able to get to the heights other people might be able to, but effort, time, and practice absolutely make a difference for example, here's the first surviving image from 2013 from when ksbd was a baby on the mspa forums .  basically: don't give up and keep at things you want to do
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Flesnolk posted:Nobody in the Olympics, or the professional leagues of any sport, got there by practising, it was innate ability. Any composer whose name people care to remember was a child prodigy. Any author, artist, actor, etc. who got anywhere of note was great from the word go. Maybe you can be Generic Hack Airport Novelist #97 by practising enough, but you're born Vladimir Nabokov. omg so true... also we should restore the divine right of kings
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Flesnolk posted:Nobody in the Olympics, or the professional leagues of any sport, got there by practising, it was innate ability. Any composer whose name people care to remember was a child prodigy. Any author, artist, actor, etc. who got anywhere of note was great from the word go. Maybe you can be Generic Hack Airport Novelist #97 by practising enough, but you're born Vladimir Nabokov. You clearly have practiced being an idiot online though?
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Posting on a forum isn't a skill. Any worthless nobody can do that.
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Flesnolk posted:Nobody in the Olympics, or the professional leagues of any sport, got there by practising, it was innate ability. Any composer whose name people care to remember was a child prodigy. Any author, artist, actor, etc. who got anywhere of note was great from the word go. Maybe you can be Generic Hack Airport Novelist #97 by practising enough, but you're born Vladimir Nabokov. this is all literally untrue you certainly get to the olympics with help from your innate physique, but they spend most of their lives up to that point training to excel over their fellow competitors -- they didn't just walk in one day and decide to get a medal. even the youngest competitors are like that -- rayssa leal had a vine of her doing a heelflip in a tutu when she was _eight_, only stuck with it because she went viral and had support from people like tony hawk, and now she's a medalist and, child prodigies? verdi put out aida when he was 58. samuel jackson's career started in his 40s. idk maybe i just shouldn't be giving you the benefit of the doubt that you've got some mental blocks making you defeatist and that i could help, but if i didn't at least try i'd feel bad
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it's like the old joke how do you get to carnegie hall? "be born a brilliant musician"
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flatluigi posted:if this actually is realtalk i'm sorry you've convinced yourself that it's not worth trying at anything because you'll never be good enough, because trying absolutely does make a difference and that was part of abadon's entire point Yeah seriously. You can see the vast improvement in this very comic series. And it’s not like just one day Operant changed styles and it was a huge leap better. It’s progressively gotten better as each page has come out.
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Flesnolk posted:Nobody in the Olympics, or the professional leagues of any sport, got there by practising, it was innate ability. Any composer whose name people care to remember was a child prodigy. Any author, artist, actor, etc. who got anywhere of note was great from the word go. Maybe you can be Generic Hack Airport Novelist #97 by practising enough, but you're born Vladimir Nabokov. I'd like to apologize to the thread for taking Flesnolk's argument in good faith.
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37 new posts in the thread!? New page! Oh wait it's just some guy dropping a hot take that's pretty bewilderingly stupid even for the internet. Pleeeeeeease be a troll.
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I've heard similar sentiments from people about artists before and every single person I know who draws themselves all say it's all practice. It's kind of offensive to imply that someone's skill is just a natural gift and not something they've put real effort and mental focus into actively improving.
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Flesnolk posted:https://www.vox.com/2016/5/30/11767704/practice-doesnt-make-perfect https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691616635591 You should probably read all of it, rather than cherry-pick the parts that reinforce the conclusion you already believe so you can better wallow in that despair-pit that you seem to enjoy so much. Vox Article posted:"One important thing — that's easy to misunderstand— is that this is looking at variance across people, not within an individual," Brooke Macnamara, the lead author of the Perspectives paper, tells me. "So if a person practices, they will get better. Almost across the board, practice should improve one’s performance."
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Rohan Kishibe posted:I've heard similar sentiments from people about artists before and every single person I know who draws themselves all say it's all practice. It's kind of offensive to imply that someone's skill is just a natural gift and not something they've put real effort and mental focus into actively improving. That's because it allows people to look at the culmination of decades of work and say, "welp, they're clearly gifted, guess I could never be that good since Im not gonna even try to get good guess I'll go masturbate and play video games."
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