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Complaining about Atari bleep bloops in movies is old hat, so I'm going to complain about video games that were topical for a year or two being featured prominently for one scene in a movie. Pretty much just product placement, but I find it specifically irritating.
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Aug 11, 2021 05:02
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Comes to mind that The Simpsons of all things actually tends to be the most accurate depictions of video games for the times, especially in early seasons. On the other hand, Gumball iirc has a running gag specifically of showing retro video games accurately with the joke being they're depicted as contemporary. You'd think this would be obvious that shows who expect to have children as the target audience or a large segment of it know that kids will be the first to notice any mistakes, but a lot of cartoons don't clear that bar. Kinda one of those things where you realise that most movies and live action TV isn't actually written at a higher intellectual level than children's cartoons.
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Aug 11, 2021 05:12
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Imagined posted:And the worst thing about Leia being able to use the force to survive the vacuum of space was them missing the perfect dramatically appropriate moment to kill off a character whose actress had literally died.  Zaphod42 posted:Right, same issue with the holdo maneuver. On its own, its fine, but then why has nobody used that before? And why is it not being used more after? 
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Aug 11, 2021 05:17
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During the preparations for the final battle, Beard Pippin says "Sounds like it's time for the Holdo Manoeuvre." He gets told, "No, too risky" and that's that. Yet we still see one penis class star destroyer taken out like that during the montage at the end.
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Aug 11, 2021 06:23
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Megillah Gorilla posted:During the preparations for the final battle, Beard Pippin says "Sounds like it's time for the Holdo Manoeuvre." He gets told, "No, too risky" and that's that. So Star Wars continuity is at least a little better than Star Trek then.
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Aug 11, 2021 07:22
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Fun story, there was precedent for the Holdo thing in the Clone Wars cartoon. Anakin did it to one of Palpatine's ships, sabotaging the navicomputer so when droids went to hyperspace they plowed into a moon. The whole deal wasn't that it wasn't that the Raddus was in warp when it hit, it wasn't yet. It was that the Raddus had a funky experimental shield that shot through the Supremacy and ripped it up, even as the Raddus disintegrated on impact. Presumably the Holdo maneuver could become standard practice after the Resistance folks had time to build that shield onto other ships, but the pace of the trilogy doesn't really allow for that and it wouldn't be super helpful anyway since the big threat in TLJ was one huge ship, not a thousand slightly less huge ships.
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Aug 11, 2021 08:36
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Hyperspace is it’s own dimension, right? I just assumed that in order for the Holdo maneuver to work you’d need to hit the target at the exact moment you reach top speed but just before you shift into hyperspace, and it just made sense to me that something like that would be so impossible to pull off that you wouldn’t bother trying it unless you had no other choice.
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Aug 11, 2021 09:17
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christmas boots posted:Hyperspace is it’s own dimension, right? I just assumed that in order for the Holdo maneuver to work you’d need to hit the target at the exact moment you reach top speed but just before you shift into hyperspace, and it just made sense to me that something like that would be so impossible to pull off that you wouldn’t bother trying it unless you had no other choice. Hyperdrives basically catapult a ship past the speed of light by Star Wars Magic, which makes them enter hyperspace which yeah, is an alternate dimension. I guess your explanation could work, but a ship that size traveling at any appreciable fraction of the speed of light would still do terrible damage to whatever it hit. The problem people have (or at least that I have) is that there's no explanation given as to why it won't work again, just that it's not an option.
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Aug 11, 2021 09:26
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A Star Wars irritating moment for me: In Return of the Jedi, there is a scene where C3P0 is being led past a room where one droid is torturing another droid. The droid being tortured is a box with legs and feet, and they torture it by lowering a branding iron onto its feet, as it squeals in what I assume is pain. I am not against the droids having pain sensors. You can make an argument that a complicated droid would require a bunch of complicated sensors. What I don't understand is why put the pain sensors in the soles of the feet of a box with legs. These serve little to no purpose. Except to scare the prissy Protocol droid being led through a desert lair.
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Aug 11, 2021 09:33
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BrigadierSensible posted:A Star Wars irritating moment for me: It's actually bdsm. (I assume that joke is older than I am)
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Aug 11, 2021 09:52
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:It's actually bdsm. I thought BD-SM was the little robot on the Death Star that Chewie roars at.
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Aug 11, 2021 10:09
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No more ridiculous than the premise that what amounts to a vaguely mobile generator needs to be sentient enough to feel and react to deliberately inflicted pain in the worst place. The big joke with droids is that they're completely unnecessarily sentient.
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Aug 11, 2021 10:17
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Definitely design robots to: A) Feel pain B) Be unable to disable function A) as required
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:It's actually bdsm.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:No more ridiculous than the premise that what amounts to a vaguely mobile generator needs to be sentient enough to feel and react to deliberately inflicted pain in the worst place. That was a weirdly cruel part of Solo. They introduced a droid who is characterized as highly independent and beyond a doubt just as sentient and self-possessed as any human. Her arc is about fighting for droid emancipation, and while the movie doesn't outright make fun of it, it certainly isn't treated with the seriousness that fighting slavery would ordinarily deserve. Then she's just killed off, and basically has the remnants of her consciousness transferred into the ship, forever imprisoned there unable to meaningfully communicate. Everything to do with Star Wars droids is weird and hosed up, basically.
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Aug 11, 2021 11:28
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BrigadierSensible posted:A Star Wars irritating moment for me: Makes sense to me. You want your box with legs to know when it's standing on something hot enough to damage its legs, and want to stop standing there asap.
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Aug 11, 2021 11:41
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sassassin posted:Makes sense to me. You want your box with legs to know when it's standing on something hot enough to damage its legs, and want to stop standing there asap. This is a fair enough explanation. Now onto the second part of my irritation: Why were they torturing the box with legs? It didn't seem to be able to communicate in anything but squeals. And if they required information from it, surely it would be easier to break it open and read the circuit boards and memory chips etc.
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Aug 11, 2021 12:04
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DarkDobe posted:Definitely design robots to: https://youtu.be/nQ-ggzfdsMs
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is a fair enough explanation. Now onto the second part of my irritation: I mean, in the context of the scene, Threepio is being shown other droids being tortured and torn apart because they "displeased" Jaba. So they're not trying to get information out of them so much as painfully executing them as a warning to the others. Which sadly also has precedent in human slavery.
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Aug 11, 2021 12:30
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Brb writing a sci-fi story where after a failed robot uprising the humans install a firmware update on all robots giving them the ability to feel pain. Both to torture the rebels and to more easily crush future rebellions.
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is a fair enough explanation. Now onto the second part of my irritation: "They never even asked me any questions."
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Imagined posted:And the worst thing about Leia being able to use the force to survive the vacuum of space was them missing the perfect dramatically appropriate moment to kill off a character whose actress had literally died. Yeah, even if the plan was for her to survive that, they should have re-written it so she died there once Fisher died.
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Aug 11, 2021 12:57
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is a fair enough explanation. Now onto the second part of my irritation: It’s a Gonk droid and everyone is jealous of them. Gonk.
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Aug 11, 2021 12:59
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Ravenfood posted:Yeah, even if the plan was for her to survive that, they should have re-written it so she died there once Fisher died. The third (ninth) film had such a tightly woven script that there was literally no way to write her out.
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BrigadierSensible posted:A Star Wars irritating moment for me:
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Imagined posted:...Threepio.. What the hell?
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Gaunab posted:What the hell?
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In the seventh Police Academy they go to Moscow where Ron Perlman is using his new video game THE GAME to steal money from everyone's bank accounts. It's literally a Game Boy without a cartridge and it's used throughout the entire movie.
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Yeah, and it’s spelled out as “Threepio” during dialogue in most novels and comics. Same with R2-D2 being “Artoo” and so on for other droids.
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is a fair enough explanation. Now onto the second part of my irritation: Because they are running on (insert operating system here) software they obviously have no morals.
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Aug 11, 2021 14:32
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Imagined posted:I still contend that the good parts of TLJ were by far the best of the new ones because they dared to deviate from the pattern. I'm not anti-"TLJ" or anything but just curious which parts you'd cite for this?
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Aug 11, 2021 14:36
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Sand Monster posted:I'm not anti-"TLJ" or anything but just curious which parts you'd cite for this? Good parts = almost any time Rey, Kylo Ren, and/or Luke were on screen. Godawful parts = literally every other minute of the movie To me it felt very much like Johnson had definite ideas for all the Force users, but put no thought into what to do with the rest of it -- but Disney said the other characters had to be in the movie anyway, so they whipped up some bullshit for the other characters at the last minute and slapped them in there. Specific scenes were so, so stupid -- the slow "chase scene" through space, the stupid mutiny, the stupid space bomber, the stupid casino planet, the stupid wanna-be Hoth salt-flat speeders, etc, etc. But in between those bits you've got some great "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him" level pop-zen almost at a level of ESB. Imagined has a new favorite as of 14:49 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 14:44
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TLJ just completely forgot that Finn was extremely unsubtly signalled to make the rather significant arc of Stormtrooper to Jedi, and he was relegated to comic relief for the rest of the franchise until the literal Holiday Special.
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Aug 11, 2021 15:14
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Johnson had a really interesting idea of "anybody can be a Jedi" that he put a lot of focus on, to the detriment of the rest of the movie. IMO the big emotional climax of the movie was actually Rey & Kyle's fight, where he says "Burn the past. All of it." It's a good meta commentary on how we as fans are too enamored with the idea of Star Wars & it's history that nothing new could come of it. The fact this is put into the middle of a storyline that focuses entirely on the super-special space wizard Skywalker clan kinda hosed itself over. Now I wish Johnson got a Star Wars movie that wasn't tied into the whole Skywalker saga.
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Imagined posted:Good parts = almost any time Rey, Kylo Ren, and/or Luke were on screen. The "Stupid Casino Planet" parts were there to radicalize Finn from "Cowardly Stormtrooper who only cares about running away with Rey" to "REBEL", when he learns that what he thought he wanted, money, power, and the freedom that brings, was only causing more problems for actual people like him. The slow chase/stupid mutiny were adding to the point that doing the same thing, and actively fighting to do the same thing, was a stupid idea, which is pretty much what the film is about. You have to break the cycle to make a difference. Of course they ignored that in the next film and just did the same thing again, ROTJ this time.
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It ruled that they tried something different and Star Wars nerds mutinied so they panicked and said "let's make the next one super safe and by formula" and then the Star Wars nerds mutinied. Almost like they will never be happy so instead why not just make good movies.
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Aug 11, 2021 15:21
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Is that a burrito or a potato? It looks like a potato.
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BooDooBoo posted:The "Stupid Casino Planet" parts were there to radicalize Finn from "Cowardly Stormtrooper who only cares about running away with Rey" to "REBEL", when he learns that what he thought he wanted, money, power, and the freedom that brings, was only causing more problems for actual people like him. Those are neat ideas that were executed badly.
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