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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I know it's been said there were anti-maskers and I believe even protests during the Flu Pandemic of 1918, but were there incidents of random anti-maskers threatening to murder doctors for suggesting people wear masks? Were there entire cottage industries springing up of selling fake masks to anti-maskers so that they could spite people who took the pandemic seriously? I forget which thread this was posted in - quote:Smallpox inoculation was discouraged in many of the colonies, including Virginia, when Jefferson traveled to Philadelphia at age 23 to undergo inoculation. When the procedure was brought to Norfolk County, Virginia, in 1768 and again in 1769, it provoked riots on both occasions. Jefferson, then practicing law, became involved when he agreed to defend victims of the Norfolk riots, including Dr. Archibald Campbell, whose house had been burned as a result of the inoculations carried out there.
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one of my fave parallels between covid and the spanish flu is how there was a conspiracy theory that it was german pharma companies intentionally poisoning their medicine 
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Aug 11, 2021 19:37
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I know it's been said there were anti-maskers and I believe even protests during the Flu Pandemic of 1918, but were there incidents of random anti-maskers threatening to murder doctors for suggesting people wear masks? Were there entire cottage industries springing up of selling fake masks to anti-maskers so that they could spite people who took the pandemic seriously? Yes. Humans fundamentally haven't changed and our generational memories only seem to span maybe 80 years. It's why we keep doing the same stupid poo poo every century or so.
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Aug 11, 2021 19:46
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Crackbone posted:Yes. Humans fundamentally haven't changed and our generational memories only seem to span maybe 80 years. It's why we keep doing the same stupid poo poo every century or so. Nobody learns no nothing from no history
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Aug 11, 2021 19:52
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Also a century of medical science has passed since the Spanish flu epidemic. Including our entire understanding of molecular genetics. We have high resolution electron micrographs of the viruses. But we still go through the same riots quackery and the rest.
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Aug 11, 2021 19:58
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:maybe stop vilifying regular people by strawmanning them into insane conspiracy theorists and you won't feel so worked up? this guy has justifiable concerns about government coercion and control on a topic that is extremely politicized and he's right to draw parallels to 9/11 as an american. there are a lot of people like this who aren't 100% gung ho on board with the belief that their government has purely good intentions and won't exploit disasters to further entrench power. that doesn't make them anti-vaxxers or a "5G juice" lunatics or whatever, and it's disingenuous to paint them as such When my employer sent out an email telling everyone that they have to wash their hands after using the bathroom I started screaming at the top of my lungs "THIS IS JUST LIKE 9/11"
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Aug 11, 2021 20:17
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Well, why can't I just poo poo ANYWHERE I want?
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Aug 11, 2021 20:18
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liz posted:When you say vaccinated “early” how early are we talking? Jan/Feb? I got my second shot March 8th and I’m wondering if I’m coming up on my immunity waning zone of 6 months… Jan/Feb. I got vaccinated at the same time so I'm basically treating myself as unvaccinated, for the sake of protecting others at least.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:24
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https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1424883232349294596?s=20 https://twitter.com/Hannibalsbot/status/1424893865539031040?s=20
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Aug 11, 2021 20:28
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peer pressure making a positive comeback in a big way
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Aug 11, 2021 20:29
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:peer pressure making a positive comeback in a big way It's not like it ever went away, America's big anti-smoking campaign used peer pressure and taxation to effect a positive change for multiple generations of young people. Peer pressure has never been an intrinsically bad thing
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:peer pressure making a positive comeback in a big way Happens in south america too, this guy is asking a government employee in Mexico City to wear a mask https://twitter.com/jorgedalessio/status/1425340765979426820?s=20 I'm not sure if masks are mandatory for govt workers but I guess not
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Aug 11, 2021 20:36
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 https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-4th-wave-arrival-1.6136506 BUT BUT what about *bunch of crap pulled out from someone's rear end and not supported by clinical trials or rudimentary data analysis*
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Aug 11, 2021 20:41
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:
Now you’ve done it
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No seriously, to any goon who says that being forced to get the vaccine is a violation of their civil liberties, making me wash my hands after I take a monster poo poo in the bathroom, before going out to make food for the adoring public is also a violation of my civil liberties. Right?
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Aug 11, 2021 20:48
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Cowslips Warren posted:No seriously, to any goon who says that being forced to get the vaccine is a violation of their civil liberties, making me wash my hands after I take a monster poo poo in the bathroom, before going out to make food for the adoring public is also a violation of my civil liberties. I’m sorry you didn’t get an adequate response the first time you posted this. You’re right. Or maybe you’re wrong. It’s impossible to say really.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:50
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I'm struggling with understanding as to why they will choose not to have the vaccine but instead they will ingest horse deworming paste I should just stop looking at news feeds all together, it just hurts to much to think about this.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:02
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:
To be fair that is since the vaccination campaign started and doesn't take into account 1. It's mostly Delta now and 2. During most of our big wave back in the winter and spring basically nobody but the olds and a handful of healthcare workers were fully vaccinated so I mean, of course the vast majority of cases are going to be in the unvaccinated given that. However recent data is still showing the vaccines helping a ton. Last couple of days in Ontario had something like 72% of cases in the unvaccinated which given we're now in a situation where the majority have two shots (so the vaccinated population now vastly exceeds the unvaxxed), it's definitely saying something.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:06
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G-III posted:I'm struggling with understanding as to why they will choose not to have the vaccine but instead they will ingest horse deworming paste stay in wonderland with us, see how deep the rabbit hole goes (seriously, do whatever is best for your mental health)
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Aug 11, 2021 21:09
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:To be fair that is since the vaccination campaign started and doesn't take into account 1. It's mostly Delta now and 2. During most of our big wave back in the winter and spring basically nobody but the olds and a handful of healthcare workers were fully vaccinated so I mean, of course the vast majority of cases are going to be in the unvaccinated given that. Ahh gently caress. I don't know how I missed that. You're absolutely right.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:10
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:To be fair that is since the vaccination campaign started and doesn't take into account 1. It's mostly Delta now and 2. During most of our big wave back in the winter and spring basically nobody but the olds and a handful of healthcare workers were fully vaccinated so I mean, of course the vast majority of cases are going to be in the unvaccinated given that. A more useful graph would be the same over the last 2 weeks or something like that.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:13
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wilderthanmild posted:A more useful graph would be the same over the last 2 weeks or something like that. Yeah somehow adjusted for the difference in the number of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people. Either way the recent data shows the vaccines are still doing a lot of heavy lifting. We probably should have stuck in phase 2 in Ontario though (outdoor dining only, moderate capacity limits for retail, five max indoor gatherings, etc...). Fully opening for indoor dining was a huge mistake.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:17
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QuarkJets posted:It's not like it ever went away, America's big anti-smoking campaign used peer pressure and taxation to effect a positive change for multiple generations of young people. Peer pressure has never been an intrinsically bad thing Same thing for Turkey, too. Back in 1996, indoor and public smoking ban was OUTRAGEOUS but combined with taxing and peer pressure, it reduced from 33% of general population to 23% which might not sound much but that is a drop from top three to below top 10. Much and much has improved ever since in that regard and now that younger generations don't even consider smoking as much as my generation did.
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I’m glad this thread has acknowledged the real villains, people getting the vaccine for reasons we don’t approve of.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:33
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Yeah somehow adjusted for the difference in the number of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people. Yeah, you need to do that too or you can end up skewing the data and freaking people out when more cases are vaccinated than not in a well vaccinated population. I think it's usually vaxxed cases/vaxxed ratio and unvaxxed cases/unvaxxed ratio. So say you have 50 vaccinated cases, 50 unvaccinated cases, and are 75% vaccinated. 50/.75 = 66 adjusted vaccinated cases. 50/.25 = 200 adjusted vaccinated cases. Which would mean just under 25% of your adjusted cases in this fictional scenario are vaccinated. In this fictional case you also have a 67% effective vaccine as (200-66)/200 = .67.
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QuarkJets posted:It's not like it ever went away, America's big anti-smoking campaign used peer pressure and taxation to effect a positive change for multiple generations of young people. Peer pressure has never been an intrinsically bad thing agreed, i wasn't being facetious. france also uses it to good effect to keep obesity low (combined with other, conscious social programs) and as a result have much lower rates of heart disease and other obesity complications, and other knock on effects like citizens finding joy in food rather than feeling anxious and guilty about eating. peer pressure can be good for encouraging behaviour that is good for society, no doubt
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liz posted:When you say vaccinated “early” how early are we talking? Jan/Feb? I got my second shot March 8th and I’m wondering if I’m coming up on my immunity waning zone of 6 months… QuarkJets posted:Jan/Feb. I got vaccinated at the same time so I'm basically treating myself as unvaccinated, for the sake of protecting others at least. Hey, you two might have missed the good news. The reason they only promised it would last 6 months back when you got the shot, is that they hadn't run the trials longer than that, at the time. Well, guess what? Time has passed and they are proving still effective. So you can relax ever so slightly. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...2021/ar-AAN7p0I https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-six-months-bn/index.html quote:The findings indicate protection will last even longer than six months, vaccine experts said. Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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just another posted:Manufacturing consent good, actually. The manufactured consent is that this disease is “just the flu” and you need to power through it by continuing to work and consume. hth
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Aug 11, 2021 22:31
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:peer pressure making a positive comeback in a big way "Hey, maybe you shouldn't close your eyes and wildly fire a gun in random directions" "gently caress you! I think for myself"
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Aug 11, 2021 22:46
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The FDA is expected to approve a third booster shot for immunocompromised people within the next 48 hours: https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/politics/fda-third-dose-covid-19-vaccine/index.html
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There's at least one group that knows how to take advantage of the terminal oppositional defiant disorder in the US and other western countries. https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/1425550346240282627?s=20
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Platystemon posted:The manufactured consent is that this disease is “just the flu” and you need to power through it by continuing to work and consume. 
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G-III posted:I'm struggling with understanding as to why they will choose not to have the vaccine but instead they will ingest horse deworming paste In my area, the horse pills crew are Mexican Mennonite. Don’t worry, they are white people, so I can stereotype them. They shift around Central America and Canada, farming. They trust government enough to sign up for child benefits, but not enough to listen to advice. When they get caught molesting their kids, they race back to Mexico. They work with animals so are comfortable with those meds, and are conservative and get news from what’s app group chats sharing Facebook stories. That’s a quick explanation of one of the groups advising horse pills.
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Platystemon posted:The manufactured consent is that this disease is “just the flu” and you need to power through it by continuing to work and consume. 
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Aug 11, 2021 23:27
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I use a dermatological treatment called Soolantra and apparently it's just Ivermectin cream. So not only am I double vaxxed but I have been unknowingly fortifying my skin with anti covid cream for months now.
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Charliegrs posted:I use a dermatological treatment called Soolantra and apparently it's just Ivermectin cream. So not only am I double vaxxed but I have been unknowingly fortifying my skin with anti covid cream for months now. Now drink aquarium cleaner for the trifecta.
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Cowslips Warren posted:No seriously, to any goon who says that being forced to get the vaccine is a violation of their civil liberties, making me wash my hands after I take a monster poo poo in the bathroom, before going out to make food for the adoring public is also a violation of my civil liberties. I sympathize with your point but because this is GBS let me point out that there is a substantial part of society that wont was their hands after a toilet break, up to 50% in the Netherlands So I guess you will absolutely encounter people arguing with you that you shouldn't expect them to wash their hands https://dutchreview.com/news/hands-up-only-50-percent-of-dutchies-wash-their-hands-after-using-the-toilet/
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It’s not fish tank cleaner. It’s fish medicine, for treating parasites. Calling it “fish tank cleaner” is like calling equine ivermectin “horse stall cleaner”. Taking veterinary medicine on the advice of the guy from Home Alone 2 is sad enough. You don’t have to misrepresent the medicine as a cleaning product. That’s what bleach is for.
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the defense of the the pharma industry being good people who want to help is irrelevant ok. the only goal that matters in america is that you make money, everything else is incidental. i don't blame people for not trusting pharma after what happened with adhd overdiagnosis/overmedication, opiate crisis and current depression overdiagnosis/overmedication. personally, ofcourse, im insane and think martial law should have been declared a year ago and we should make vaccine guns to shoot people with but im not one to care about rights.
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