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Charliegrs posted:I highly doubt the Taliban have the expertise to fly and maintain these choppers. But all the rockets and guns will be useful for them. Lol. I don't think you realize that the Taliban can just buy flight school for a few guys to run these. I mean the US trains foreign pilots all day long. Why couldn't Russia etc do the same? They do by the way. -- PRO-TB twitters announce that the security belt in Kandahar has been breached. Also reporting the Kandahar prison has been opened up but no reports of prisoners freed yet. Note all the nothing burgers coming out of pentagon press sec saying Afghanistan won't fall bla bla bla and the Talibans best interest lie in peaceful surrender. Lol. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Sinteres posted:Don't count the ANA out yet! We will re garrison the northern alliance fortresses and hold out against the Taliban hordes like it's helm's deep. And I love that the ANA and the US loving dumbasses keep citing 300,000 as a real troop count. It's more like 30,000 or less. I mean they are literally Gotterdammerung style units of sub 16 year olds and post 65 year old "soldiers" aka militias.
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Sinteres posted:Don't count the ANA out yet! Here's how we plan to win the war: Step 1) Stop losing
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OctaMurk posted:Here's how we plan to win the war: yeahhh can't say it inspires a lot of confidence
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This is literally that meme bunker scene from downfall lmfao
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Count Roland posted:Plus the ANA has access to a lot of US hardware, and its troops US training. Between Iraq getting chumped by ISIS and the ANA getting chumped by the Taliban, perhaps US training is actively detrimental when talking about a guerilla force.
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MiddleOne posted:I mean under normal circumstances, yes. But not when everyone is retreating and/or surrendering. Yes, hence the on paper part. It doesn't matter how many weapons you have if there's no will to fight. It reminds me of the Iraqi army falling to peices when ISIS was rolling through. In the end it was basically Iran setting up militia groups that turned the tide. The military force the US had trained just melted away.
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Because we train like garbage. I mean these are imperial puppets. Iran doesn't consider PMUs to be puppets like we do. There was a goon that claimed during a conflict, without knowing which side the guys they were training would be on. They trained said pilots to check their altitude after making a maneuver to ensure we could have a few seconds to destroy there planes before they would react. That's the gist of all loving training we have conducted. We can't go "yeah the us is a big shia nation and we are here to liberate you from the sunni hordes".
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quote:The removal of the country's army chief, General Wali Mohammad Ahmadzai, was confirmed to the BBC on Wednesday. He had only been in the post since June. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58170847
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Because we train like garbage.
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The US is good at training death squads. Not conventional militaries.
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As we saw in Syria and Iraq, extremism is a force multiplier. In Iraq the national army fled, so the government increasingly relied on Shia militias/death squads of their own to fight fire with fire. In Syria the most extreme rebels gobbled up all the market share from other rebels and then died to a combination of the US, Russia, Shia militias, and Kurdish commandos or got co-opted by Turkey. I assume most people in Afghanistan would prefer not to live under the Taliban, but if more people are willing to kill and be killed for the Taliban than are willing to kill and be killed for the ANA, the Taliban can still win. The US can give equipment and training, but it can't make people believe in dying for a cause.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Unless they are Central American dictators in the 1970s/1980s, in which case we trained them TOO well Yeah but that was the 70s and 80s. I mean we trained up the SF in Afghanistan to be lovely genocidal killers aswell. Unconfirmed but there is a possiblity that the taliban just wiped Kandahar.  And there's heavy fighting going on in Maz al Sheriff, which is a very major stronghold of the NA . If that falls it's over. Oh Cool, Top SF man appointed to the defense of afghanistan. Civilians will be turbo hosed now. expect vanguard assaults on the civilian populace that doesnt "resist" the taliban enough. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Yes, but what if the Taliban were told really, really sternly to stop winning?The Washington Post posted:
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yes, but what if the Taliban were told really, really sternly to stop winning? Cool we're going to sub out our response to the crisis. Maybe Mozambique will send soldiers to the aid of the Afghani cause.
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Now that the Taliban has hit on corporate tax cuts as an essential part of their governing strategy, maybe Republicans will come around on them. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1425805889492197386/photo/1
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Lost Time posted:https://twitter.com/BhittaniKhannnn/status/1425395785303302145 I wonder if Eagle Dynamics has noticed that they just got two preorders for DCS:Mi-24P from Afghanistan.
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Flayer posted:I suspect the Taliban and Republicans would also have a rather large overlap on civil issues too. Evangelicals are our wahhabists so I agree
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Count Roland posted:The speed is a bit surprising. They held on for 3 years actually, outlasting the USSR itself by a couple of months, and they defeated major Mujahadeen offensive with Soviet air support
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Typo posted:They held on for 3 years actually, outlasting the USSR itself by a couple of months, and they defeated major Mujahadeen offensive with Soviet air support The (Democratic) Republic of Afghanistan (ironically "democratic" was dropped in 1987 when elections were held) recovered alot of lost legitimacy once the Soviets left and remained the most powerful individual faction for a long while. It had also rebranded itself as an Islamic Republic in 1990. IIRC the deathblow was delivered by way of a number of major pro-government forces switching sides, most prominently those led by General Dostum
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Typo posted:They held on for 3 years actually, outlasting the USSR itself by a couple of months, and they defeated major Mujahadeen offensive with Soviet air support Yes that was a typo on my part, thanks. Also, good username/post combo
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Herat has fallen to the Taliban while Kandahar is teetering:- https://twitter.com/BBCYaldaHakim/status/1425848960606953479?s=20
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Lol. I don't think you realize that the Taliban can just buy flight school for a few guys to run these. I mean the US trains foreign pilots all day long. Why couldn't Russia etc do the same? OTOH who cares if Taliban has a hand-me-down helicopter that is a version of a 50 year old model. Anyway, anybody with any training to fly anything is going to in the first wave to leave the country, looking to land a job flying tourists in a Cessna in Egypt or something. That is if they haven't left already. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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What a great result of 20 years of training. It’s very fitting that Afghanistan will be run by the Taliban again 20 years after 9/11 next month
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FlamingLiberal posted:What a great result of 20 years of training. I was hoping the country would fall before the 8/31 deadline. Not put of jeering for violence but because it would crush the narrative or "the ana will survive!.....long enough for us to leave on aug 31"
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1425863220640813057?s=20 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1425855870957768710?s=20 https://twitter.com/ReutersZengerle/status/1425871090925117449?s=20 Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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things are going super great you guys https://twitter.com/margbrennan/status/1425881334594121728?s=21
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Al-Saqr posted:things are going super great you guys hmmmm it's not a nice round number of years since 1975 tho
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Taliban just took Herat(!) , Kandahar and Qala e-Naw. It's a complete collapse now, with government officials fleeing the country and troops and warlords defecting to the Taliban. Although it's amazing that Kandahar held out as long as it did after getting cut off, the government really botched every aspect of that. https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1425819929995989003 I wonder how the US will respond now. China is already offering to recognize the Taliban if they drop support for Muslim Chinese militants, although that's also a case of blowback, since China allowed the mujahedeen to use Xinjiang as a haven back in the 80s, and even preach to and recruit from the local population. Ghetto Prince fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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What a pathetic waste of 20 years. Biden's going to get the blame if anyone even pays attention enough to care what's happening there, but it was the three administrations before him that lied about the progress we were supposedly making in standing up the Afghan government. We all knew the Taliban would probably eventually take over, but I feel like even with that pessimism nobody really thought it would happen so suddenly.
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yeah, i was betting on there being like a week in-between provincial capitals falling, not literally just a few hours the recognized governments soldiers have even less will to fight than those random africans saudi arabia kidnaps during hajj and herds towards the houthi front lines like literal battlefodder here's to hoping the regime doesn't escape the capital in time I guess
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Zedhe Khoja posted:here's to hoping the regime doesn't escape the capital in time I guess ...what do you mean by this?
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How are u posted:...what do you mean by this? A lot of the officials who've been running the Afghan government over the last 20 years have been corrupt as gently caress and deserve plenty of blame for what's happening. While I'm not going to be cheering on summary executions if it comes to that, it seems like a shame for them to go retire with their stolen money while the people they were responsible for get left behind.
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Sinteres posted:What a pathetic waste of 20 years. Biden's going to get the blame if anyone even pays attention enough to care what's happening there, but it was the three administrations before him that lied about the progress we were supposedly making in standing up the Afghan government. We all knew the Taliban would probably eventually take over, but I feel like even with that pessimism nobody really thought it would happen so suddenly. Biden has impeccable domestic political cover for this. Trump negotiated the withdraw/surrender and he carried it out. Both parties share the blame. So it's hard for anyone to attack him over this.
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