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change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

theironjef posted:

Well, it's four small or medium humanoid corpses OR four "piles of bones." Thank goodness for natural language meaning you can just load up a backpack with owl pellets and crumbled up fish skeletons and animate full human skeletons out of them.

Or wear the bones around your body like armor Harrow the Ninth-style

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Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

change my name posted:

Or wear the bones around your body like armor Harrow the Ninth-style

Or do the Harrow the Ninth soup thing! Your DM will definitely approve of that!

neonchameleon
Nov 14, 2012



P-Mack posted:

Hi my kids got the D&D starter set as a gift, so apparently now I need to DM the Lost Mines of Phandelver for a pair of 10 year olds and wondering where to start.

How do I easily handle maps in an irl tabletop setting? I can't draw for poo poo but I'd like to provide them some kind of spatial awareness without just plopping the whole official dungeon map down at the start.

Honestly, unless your kids are mean no one cares that you can't draw. A river is two wiggly blue lines and possibly blue scribbles between, and a tree's a brown circle with a green squiggly bit around it - and if you don't use pre-printed maps you can improvise anywhere they wnat a fight. For travelling I use a Paizo flipmat (which is gridded and laminated and wipe clean - just check which pens to use and don't use permanent markers) but if hosting at home I'd use one of the Chessex battlemats that are thicker, more durable, and roll up.

El Fideo
Jun 10, 2016

I trusted a rhino and deserve all that came to me


Another great alternative to using miniatures is DIY tokens. Print out whatever character art you like, and cut it out with a 3/4" - 1" hole punch. You can even use a 2" punch for big boss fights. I glue mine onto wooden discs I got from AliExpress.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

El Fideo posted:

Another great alternative to using miniatures is DIY tokens. Print out whatever character art you like, and cut it out with a 3/4" - 1" hole punch. You can even use a 2" punch for big boss fights. I glue mine onto wooden discs I got from AliExpress.

This is what I do. I use these to glue the 1" token art to.

Althar
Jan 9, 2021

I have some clear tokens I can write on with dry erase markers.

pog boyfriend
Jul 2, 2011

if you want to start saucing up your live dnd games on the cheap buy the paizo pawn things, easily the best value for random fantasy creatures that exists

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Kung Food posted:

Here is something I do to actually print out the maps in a playable size.

1) Find an online version of the map you want to use.
2) Download https://posterazor.sourceforge.io/
3) Load up your map into posterazor. Make sure it is set actual size (not made to fit). I also like to give them all a slight margin as I don't trust my printers alignment.
4) Posterazor will divide up the map into sections that can fit onto printer paper. And save it as a pdf.
5) Print this pdf onto the cheapest, thinnest paper you have. It helps a lot to have a tank style printer like one of these. If not its okay to print in greyscale to lower printing costs.
6) Trim the edges. I find an exacto-knife works best to make sure the edges are perfect. Probably the part that takes the longest so have a show on while you work.
7) Take a large roll of white butcher paper and roll out a piece that will hold the size of your map.
8) Take the map pieces and align where they will fit on the roll.
9) Take each map piece and coat the back with an adhesive spray. Then position on the map, taking care to align the edges correctly.
10) Once all the pieces are glued in place, coat the entire top map with an adhesive spray, then use a roll of plastic gift basket wrap, and roll it over the whole thing.
11) Trim the edges of the completed map and you are ready to go.

The whole thing can be pretty time intensive, but the advantage to me is you can come to session with several maps that can better cover what weird shenanigans the players get up to. You can also save and reuse them for later sessions so the time spent on them isn't wasted. Finished result looks something like this:


I already do this, but I use poster board from the dollar store instead. honestly, I like your approach better! I'll be converting to it for sure. And WHAT THE gently caress. I didn't know inktank printers existed. I am so done with this cartridge inkjet I have, and this was just the product I needed to know about to finally kick this machine's ink addiction. The costs are unreal.

However, I have a solution that will *drastically* cut ( :pervert: )down your trimming time...

It works awesome, and I got mine for only $7 at the thrift store. Also, you can use the "Render->grid" feature on GIMP to take any fantasy map and add a grid to it, if desired, set your canvas/image size appropriately in the program, and then convert through posterazor. There are a ton of maps for D&D, including lost mines of phandelver, that were designed for TTS that I converted through posterazor for my LMOP campaign.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


You can also use 1 cm ceramic tiles and a dry erase marker

El Fideo
Jun 10, 2016

I trusted a rhino and deserve all that came to me


Here's a question while we're getting crafty with maps. Anyone know a good way to apply a grid to a dry-erase board?

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

El Fideo posted:

Here's a question while we're getting crafty with maps. Anyone know a good way to apply a grid to a dry-erase board?

A rolling ruler should work: https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Plastic-Drawing-Squares-Parallel/dp/B071WB7QTT

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

i wake up at night
night action madness nightmares
maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner

El Fideo posted:

Here's a question while we're getting crafty with maps. Anyone know a good way to apply a grid to a dry-erase board?

I scored the surface of mine in a 5 cm grid with a craft knife - after a little use, all the score lines were clearly visible from then on.

HelixFox
Dec 20, 2004

Heed the words of this ancient spirit.
A quick hack for enemy/NPC minis is to get a chess set. You get 32 pieces with a power hierarchy that your players will easily grasp: pawns for fodder, the king for the leader, etc.

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat

neonchameleon posted:

Honestly, unless your kids are mean no one cares that you can't draw.

For random encounters or any fight that doesn't come with a dungeon map, I make the players draw it under my vague direction. "Draw a road going from here to here, put your wagon here, some trees here and rocks there".

Make everyone take a turn at drawing something, it'll lighten your load and make sure no one thinks it's easier than it is.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Thanks for the help everyone, the whiteboard sounds nice and easy to work with. If they really get into it those big maps look extremely cool though.

nelson
Apr 12, 2009
College Slice
One of my friends uses a big chessex 1” square (hex on reverse side) battlemat covered with clear acrylic panels that you can find at a hardware store. It’s great for combining miniatures with drawing. Grease pencils are used to draw on the panels so the mat itself stays pristine.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Two questions on Monk, since I'm going to try to go Drunken Master monk in my first game.

First, I see a lot of talk of taking on a weapon, I really thought I'd just be punching things to death, but I guess that's not actually very strong until you're well into levels. So I guess a spear or something will do for a bit? And there'd be little point in taking a shortbow I figure.

2nd, does Diamond Soul render Drunkard's Luck, regarding Saving Throws, null? Drunkard's luck allows you to nullify disadvantage on a couple of other things but after Diamond Soul since you get proficiency on all Saving Throws.

nelson
Apr 12, 2009
College Slice

100YrsofAttitude posted:

First, I see a lot of talk of taking on a weapon, I really thought I'd just be punching things to death, but I guess that's not actually very strong until you're well into levels. So I guess a spear or something will do for a bit? And there'd be little point in taking a shortbow I figure.

At level 1 a spear (or quarterstaff) wielded in 2 hands (versatile) does 1d8 damage. Unarmed strike does 1d4. You also start with some darts so a shortbow isn’t really as useful as a spear.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


100YrsofAttitude posted:

Two questions on Monk, since I'm going to try to go Drunken Master monk in my first game.

First, I see a lot of talk of taking on a weapon, I really thought I'd just be punching things to death, but I guess that's not actually very strong until you're well into levels. So I guess a spear or something will do for a bit? And there'd be little point in taking a shortbow I figure.

2nd, does Diamond Soul render Drunkard's Luck, regarding Saving Throws, null? Drunkard's luck allows you to nullify disadvantage on a couple of other things but after Diamond Soul since you get proficiency on all Saving Throws.

1) you are correct. You're going to be using a spear until 17th level - at that point your unarmed strikes deal more damage than the spear does.

2) incorrect. Disadvantage and proficiency do not over write each other at all. Proficiency adds a bonus to your die roll. Disadvantage makes you roll 2d20 and take the lowest result.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Mederlock posted:

I already do this, but I use poster board from the dollar store instead. honestly, I like your approach better! I'll be converting to it for sure. And WHAT THE gently caress. I didn't know inktank printers existed. I am so done with this cartridge inkjet I have, and this was just the product I needed to know about to finally kick this machine's ink addiction. The costs are unreal.

However, I have a solution that will *drastically* cut ( :pervert: )down your trimming time...

It works awesome, and I got mine for only $7 at the thrift store. Also, you can use the "Render->grid" feature on GIMP to take any fantasy map and add a grid to it, if desired, set your canvas/image size appropriately in the program, and then convert through posterazor. There are a ton of maps for D&D, including lost mines of phandelver, that were designed for TTS that I converted through posterazor for my LMOP campaign.

I started out using one of those actually, but I got really OCD about having the edges perfect and the chopper just didn't have enough fine control to make me happy. That's why I switched to X-acto knife and straight edge, gets the cuts pixel perfect even if it does take longer. The ink tanks are totally a game changer. Refills are $20 and the one that came with the printer lasted me about a year of heavy map making.

As for grids I completely ignore them. I just bring a set of these fabric measuring tapes and have one for each person. No more counting squares, just measure the distance real quick.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Drewjitsu posted:

1) you are correct. You're going to be using a spear until 17th level - at that point your unarmed strikes deal more damage than the spear does.

2) incorrect. Disadvantage and proficiency do not over write each other at all. Proficiency adds a bonus to your die roll. Disadvantage makes you roll 2d20 and take the lowest result.

I see. Pity about not punching things to death... maybe there'll be some magic gloves or something? As for 2) well good! Just more help when you need it.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

100YrsofAttitude posted:

I see. Pity about not punching things to death... maybe there'll be some magic gloves or something? As for 2) well good! Just more help when you need it.

I mean, you still can. I'm running a drunken master monk right now and I've pinched a few things to death, but I usually get a few two-handed spear thrusts in first.

Also he's a bugbear so I like the mental image of him getting behind an ally and shooting a speartip or fist past the ally's face or a kick from between their legs.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

100YrsofAttitude posted:

I see. Pity about not punching things to death... maybe there'll be some magic gloves or something?

Don't feel like you are stuck with what is in the PHB. Talk to your DM about possibly reskinning something for you. Like instead of boring old bonk stick something more like this:

and just say the d8 (versatile) is a double fisted strike or something and your unarmed strikes are kicks. Be creative.

Monks are kinda drab imo, so try to work with your DM about flavoring yours up. My DM philosophy is to give players a lot of leeway to personalize their characters as long as it is bound within game mechanics, hopefully yours is the same.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Kung Food posted:

Don't feel like you are stuck with what is in the PHB. Talk to your DM about possibly reskinning something for you. Like instead of boring old bonk stick something more like this:

and just say the d8 (versatile) is a double fisted strike or something and your unarmed strikes are kicks. Be creative.

Monks are kinda drab imo, so try to work with your DM about flavoring yours up. My DM philosophy is to give players a lot of leeway to personalize their characters as long as it is bound within game mechanics, hopefully yours is the same.

Yeah monks in particular are good for reskinning weapons to reflect their specialized training. Talk to your DM about creating your preferred monk weapon based on existing PHB statistics. Fists become equivalent to a standard monk weapon at level 10.

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Monk_Weapons_(5e_Other)

nelson
Apr 12, 2009
College Slice

100YrsofAttitude posted:

I see. Pity about not punching things to death... maybe there'll be some magic gloves or something?

Your main attack action will be with a weapon. Your bonus action attack(s) from martial arts or fury of blows will be punches (or kicks, or headbutts, or some other kind of unarmed strike). Eventually your martial arts die will equal or exceed nominal weapon damage and you can decide to attack with fists as your main attack (technically you can do it at level 1, it’s just sub-optimal from a damage standpoint).

nelson fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Aug 12, 2021

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Cool, I’ll look for some cool setups. I’ve been very inspired by the martial arts in Streets of Rage 4 as well as appropriate kung fu films.

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

100YrsofAttitude posted:

Cool, I’ll look for some cool setups. I’ve been very inspired by the martial arts in Streets of Rage 4 as well as appropriate kung fu films.

Get a quarterstaff and see your DM will let you re-skin it as a giant mash paddle.

Athanatos
Jun 7, 2006

Est. 2000
Mace reskinned as brass knuckles. Then your flurry of blows is throwing elbows, knees and headbutts after the first punch.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
Idk man just let monks punch stuff for 1d6

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

I once let a monk in my party kill someone with a bowl of soup. Well, attack, it became kill afterward.

Monks are neat.

I think he suplexxed a dinosaur in the same game.

Edit: we let him use his ma damage dice on improvised weapons. I figure he can do as much damage with his forehead as a long sword, what does it matter if he can accomplish it with an ironing board instead?

Mendrian fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Aug 12, 2021

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Athanatos posted:

Mace reskinned as brass knuckles. Then your flurry of blows is throwing elbows, knees and headbutts after the first punch.

Ooh that sounds neat. Maybe some sort of claws, like knived knuckles. What're those called? And I can't believe I didn't think of it at first, but it makes you a Ninja Turtle.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Now I wanna flavor a Fighter as a luchador, but take a dip into Pact of the Blade Warlock just so he can have a pact weapon that is a folding chair (reflavored from a 2H mace). He'll insist on cutting a promo before every major fight, wear tons of neon spandex, and constantly be jumping off of things and landing on his enemies.

Athanatos
Jun 7, 2006

Est. 2000

100YrsofAttitude posted:

Ooh that sounds neat. Maybe some sort of claws, like knived knuckles. What're those called? And I can't believe I didn't think of it at first, but it makes you a Ninja Turtle.

Cestus

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Oh yeah that looks cool, that'd be like a handaxe or dagger right?

change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

Athanatos posted:

Mace reskinned as brass knuckles. Then your flurry of blows is throwing elbows, knees and headbutts after the first punch.

Oh, I'm dumb, I was thinking I could have my monk 1/inquisitor rogue X carry a walking stick to hit people with, but asking if I could turn that into brass knuckles would be a way better idea

A Single Sphink
Feb 10, 2004

COMICS CRIMINAL

100YrsofAttitude posted:

Oh yeah that looks cool, that'd be like a handaxe or dagger right?

There's also tekko-kagi, which are kinda like the clawed gauntlets the Shredder wears.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

100YrsofAttitude posted:

Ooh that sounds neat. Maybe some sort of claws, like knived knuckles. What're those called? And I can't believe I didn't think of it at first, but it makes you a Ninja Turtle.

There are katars, aka punch daggers.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Azathoth posted:

Now I wanna flavor a Fighter as a luchador, but take a dip into Pact of the Blade Warlock just so he can have a pact weapon that is a folding chair (reflavored from a 2H mace). He'll insist on cutting a promo before every major fight, wear tons of neon spandex, and constantly be jumping off of things and landing on his enemies.

My barbarian, "Manly Man" Randall Wildman, uses a "Dwarven" Greataxe, which suspiciously looks like a steel folding chair. He also might have been trained wrong by the dwarves of Ironmaster as a cruel joke.

Oooooh yeah!

Edit: Great Weapon Master is a busted feat. Just handing out chair shots and CTE to all the devils and demons of Avernus.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Drewjitsu posted:

My barbarian, "Manly Man" Randall Wildman, uses a "Dwarven" Greataxe, which suspiciously looks like a steel folding chair. He also might have been trained wrong by the dwarves of Ironmaster as a cruel joke.

Oooooh yeah!

Edit: Great Weapon Master is a busted feat. Just handing out chair shots and CTE to all the devils and demons of Avernus.

just realized that with the Pact of the Blade Warlock dip I can get a cantrip that will allow me to simulate arena noise

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Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE
Re: echo knights from a while back, they're definitely some of the most fun I've had playing a melee in 5e outside of my last bladedancer build. I'm in a party otherwise filled with casters so it's nice to be able to hold my own and do stuff that would traditionally fall into their wheelhouse. We're gonna hit 11 soon and I'm looking forward to extra attack 2 soon :getin:

On that topic, do folks let echo knights unleash echo via the hasted attack action? I know it specifies you only get one free attack out of a hasted action, but it's unclear to me if that allows you to do it or not.

I'm looking at something like:

Action: 3x attacks + unleash
Action Surge: 3x attacks + unleash
Hasted action: 1x attack + unleash?

I'm also considering multiclassing into barb at some point for rage/reckless attack, but all those ASIs/feats for fighters in the mid-teens keep making me want to delay that.

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