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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Push El Burrito posted:

Will he be using his nipple lasers?

The Power Pasties belong to Dr Flexi Jerkoff, you philistine.

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That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Tunicate posted:

On the casino planet, the people supplying weaponry for the conflict are happy the current status quo is locked in as an endless and profitable meatgrinder, and are satisfied with how good business is. The clear implication is that the neo-rebellion and the neo-empire are both well funded and able to field expensive fleets of heavily armed starships and fight each other on even terms.
Not necessarily. Real life super powes don't need an equal enemy to demand bigger and better weapons - a vague terrorist threat is enough to pump billions into the military budget; for every blaster they sell to the rebels, they sell a thousand to the New Order, but they are still the ones profiting from it.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


I didn't know the New Order was into galactic domination. I thought they just did new-wave and synth-pop music.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.
I mean, they are British.

First Order is such a dumb name for a "followup" organization that I forgot it :v:

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Did you guys know that the working title for Return of the Jedi was Blue Monday?

BooDooBoo
Jul 14, 2005

That makes no sense to me at all.


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BooDooBoo posted:

It's weird how different people can interpret the same thing differently

Tunicate posted:

The problem is that the film was obviously mashed up from a bunch of different script revisions, and ends up contradicting itself in a lot of places. Depending on what you focus on, the answers provided by the film about what's happening are different.

For instance, we are following three spaceships full of rebels. Are these the last rebels left in the world?

Onboard the ships, they talk about how they're the last spark of the rebellion, that they don't have any allies, and when they call for help nobody answer. The clear implication is that the rebellion is a group of a few dozen misfits on their last legs, without a nation or backing.

On the casino planet, the people supplying weaponry for the conflict are happy the current status quo is locked in as an endless and profitable meatgrinder, and are satisfied with how good business is. The clear implication is that the neo-rebellion and the neo-empire are both well funded and able to field expensive fleets of heavily armed starships and fight each other on even terms.

BooDooBoo posted:

It's weird how different people can interpret the same thing differently,

Man with Hat
Dec 26, 2007

Open up your Dethday present
It's a box of fucking nothing

Exciting Lemon

fartknocker posted:

Yeah, and it’s spelled out as “Threepio” during dialogue in most novels and comics. Same with R2-D2 being “Artoo” and so on for other droids.

It's spelled that way in the credits where the comics and novels took it from, I assume.

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

Man with Hat posted:

It's spelled that way in the credits where the comics and novels took it from, I assume.



I'm pretty sure this is how Lucas wrote it out in the original scripts.

Edit:

https://maddogmovies.com/almost/scripts/starwars_rough5-74.pdf

Just checked and he spelled it "ARTWO DETWO".

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
'Threepio! Come in Threepio!' comes to mind as a pretty iconic line to me from ANH. It's pretty clear that those are the names that Luke has chosen to refer to them by and the others follow suit. And I think are retroactively already used in the prequels, but they are pretty logical shortenings of their designations.

Droids are the unsung heroes of Star Wars in a lot of ways, I still love how creative and yet logical their designs are. It's like they took the two stereotypes of rocket age sci-fi robot looks, and went 'So what would they look like if they were practical for their purpose?' R2 is basically the mobile independent toolbox who is pure functionality, while C3PO is the fussy robot butler whose duties are entirely social and thus is made to look generically humanoid and unthreatening.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
C-3P0 scares the poo poo out of me.

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

The worst kind of tornado.

were all protocol droids programmed with anxiety disorders or did Darth Vader just really gently caress up the garage kit one he made out of trash

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
If it's the latter you have to wonder who the hell a nine year old was using as a basis for that personality.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Karma Tornado posted:

were all protocol droids programmed with anxiety disorders or did Darth Vader just really gently caress up the garage kit one he made out of trash

Threepio has many good reasons to be anxious, not least of which is the Empire shooting at him.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
What was the reasoning for the Trade Federation battledroids being programmed to be comically bumbling and annoying? In isolation you could argue that droids like Threepio and Artoo started out normal and developed eccentricities over their long and exciting lives, but every single one of the Trade Federation droids was goofy and inept right off the assembly line, as we literally see in the films. It's kind of implied in the ANH that it's standard practice to wipe a droid's mind regularly to stop it from accumulating deviations like that, which obviously hasn't happened to the two main droid characters -- when it does happen to Threepio, he does seem to go back to more what you'd normally expect from a "protocol" droid.

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Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
With everything that has been said about Star Wars can we all agree the John Williams music is loving dope as hell throughout. The newer stuff from the TV shows has been great as well.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Imagined posted:

What was the reasoning for the Trade Federation battledroids being programmed to be comically bumbling and annoying?

The Trade Federation was too cheap to pay for the Experienced Battle Veteran Behavior Module and just used the Comic Relief Behavior Module that was freeware.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

Armacham posted:

With everything that has been said about Star Wars can we all agree the John Williams music is loving dope as hell throughout. The newer stuff from the TV shows has been great as well.

Absolutely. His music is the heart of the films and gives them a gravitas and epic quality they otherwise would lack. So many wonderful moments. The bit going into the Death Star trench run in ANH is one of my favorites. Still exciting to this day. I've got a nice projector setup with a 12 foot screen and great speakers and it's still epic even in 2021 even having seen it 50 times. And quick: what's the absolute best scene in the prequels? The Darth Maul fight, right? That's 100% John Williams. The film didn't 'earn' that -- we're giving zero reason to care about Darth Maul up to that point, but the music makes it epic as gently caress.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Jedit posted:

Threepio has many good reasons to be anxious, not least of which is the Empire shooting at him.

If anything he has a tendency to be shockingly calm considering the circumstances.

IShallRiseAgain posted:

The Trade Federation was too cheap to pay for the Experienced Battle Veteran Behavior Module and just used the Comic Relief Behavior Module that was freeware.

This is probably more or less canon in that the B-2 battle droids are as cheap as they can possibly be while still being able to walk and carry and fire a blaster. They're actually kinda dumber in AotC-onwards since they're no longer being organised by a single central computer. Hence the introduction of the heavier droids, and The Clone Wars has rarely seen elite droids that are actually on par with the Clone Troopers in skill and intelligence, even able to wear their armour as a disguise.

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

Imagined posted:

Absolutely. His music is the heart of the films and gives them a gravitas and epic quality they otherwise would lack. So many wonderful moments. The bit going into the Death Star trench run in ANH is one of my favorites. Still exciting to this day. I've got a nice projector setup with a 12 foot screen and great speakers and it's still epic even in 2021 even having seen it 50 times.

It seems the more common underappreciated aspect of the original film's success that people cite is the editing, but for me it's the score. And then he follows that up with the sequel. John Williams had himself quite a run there in the late 70s/early 80s.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Sand Monster posted:

It seems the more common underappreciated aspect of the original film's success that people cite is the editing, but for me it's the score. And then he follows that up with the sequel. John Williams had himself quite a run there in the late 70s/early 80s.

Just imagining Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, etc with anything besides the John Williams score causes me psychic damage

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Just made me hear the Cantina theme. ...and thinking it would fit in perfectly as the soundtrack to a 40s cartoon.

And now I'm picturing a Star Wars/Cuphead crossover.

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

Armacham posted:

Just imagining Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, etc with anything besides the John Williams score causes me psychic damage

As iconic as it is, did you know that he wasn't even nominated for an Oscar for his score of Jurassic Park?

That's okay though, he won for the Schindler's List score that same year.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Imagined posted:

What was the reasoning for the Trade Federation battledroids being programmed to be comically bumbling and annoying? In isolation you could argue that droids like Threepio and Artoo started out normal and developed eccentricities over their long and exciting lives, but every single one of the Trade Federation droids was goofy and inept right off the assembly line, as we literally see in the films. It's kind of implied in the ANH that it's standard practice to wipe a droid's mind regularly to stop it from accumulating deviations like that, which obviously hasn't happened to the two main droid characters -- when it does happen to Threepio, he does seem to go back to more what you'd normally expect from a "protocol" droid.

Lucas thought it was funny and Episode 1 was meant to appeal to little kids and sell toys. In universe, yeah it doesn't make sense for their purpose. They seem to have realized that and the later models stay silent. It's one of those things like the medal ceremony in Ep 4, no reason the rebels should be packing themselves into a room when the Empire knows their location and wants revenge.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Sand Monster posted:

As iconic as it is, did you know that he wasn't even nominated for an Oscar for his score of Jurassic Park?

That's okay though, he won for the Schindler's List score that same year.

Yea I can't remember which thread it was but this came up somewhere else recently and it's just an absurd accomplishment by Spielberg and John Williams. It has to be one of the most insane feats of moviemaking in the history of the medium, to be able to produce those two wildly different masterpiece films in a single year. I can't think of anything that even comes close.

John Ford made Stagecoach and Young Mr. Lincoln in the same year, and while Stagecoach is an all-time great iconic film, Mr. Lincoln is not in that category. Kurosawa never made two films in a single year. Kubrick typically made one film ever three years.

Torquemada
Oct 21, 2010

Drei Gläser

Pope Corky the IX posted:

C-3P0 scares the poo poo out of me.

YOU PROMISED ME FLESH

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Sand Monster posted:

As iconic as it is, did you know that he wasn't even nominated for an Oscar for his score of Jurassic Park?

That's okay though, he won for the Schindler's List score that same year.

I have an irrational irritation about Schindler's List. I can never bring myself to watch it again thinking about how much it would make me cry.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
There are so many great movies I will never watch, or never watch again, because I'm either at, "I feel really great, and I don't want to be bummed out," or "I already feel terrible, I don't need to feel worse."

e.g. 'Come and See'. Oh my god.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Armacham posted:

I have an irrational irritation about Schindler's List. I can never bring myself to watch it again thinking about how much it would make me cry.

Requiem for a Dream for me. gently caress ever watching that again but I’m glad I did at least once.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
I'm to the point now where I refuse to watch movies if I think they would go on that list, so the only ones I end up seeing are surprise bummers. There isn't enough time in three lifetimes to see every movie, read every book, or listen to every album I want to experience, I don't need feel the need to spend any of that time making myself depressed on purpose.

I also read the synopsis before watching horror movies (spoilers don't bother me) if I suspect in any way that they're going to be what I call a "Scooby Doo movie", i.e. a seemingly supernatural phenomenon turns out to be something mundane ala 'the werewolf turned out to be just a guy in a mask'. I think we discussed that in this thread a few months back. I already know a twist like that is just going to make me angry at the time I spent watching the movie and can't get back.

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

Basebf555 posted:

Yea I can't remember which thread it was but this came up somewhere else recently and it's just an absurd accomplishment by Spielberg and John Williams. It has to be one of the most insane feats of moviemaking in the history of the medium, to be able to produce those two wildly different masterpiece films in a single year. I can't think of anything that even comes close.

John Ford made Stagecoach and Young Mr. Lincoln in the same year, and while Stagecoach is an all-time great iconic film, Mr. Lincoln is not in that category. Kurosawa never made two films in a single year. Kubrick typically made one film ever three years.

Victor Fleming's 1939 is also pretty impressive: Gone With the Wind and The Wizard of Oz, though he didn't direct the entire 100% of either film.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
Orson Welles had Citizen Kane and The Magnificent Ambersons less than 12 months apart, though released in separate years ('41 and '42, respectively).

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Coppola had The Godfather Part II and The Conversation in 1974, both of which were nominated for best picture, with the former winning.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Just made me hear the Cantina theme. ...and thinking it would fit in perfectly as the soundtrack to a 40s cartoon.

And now I'm picturing a Star Wars/Cuphead crossover.

But that jizzz in my ears

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C-3PO is one of my most disliked characters in film and tv. . The other being Ruby Rhod in The Fifth Element and all the girls from Sex and the City.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Armacham posted:

With everything that has been said about Star Wars can we all agree the John Williams music is loving dope as hell throughout?

God, yes. Williams contributions alone have turned simply good movies into all time classics. I'm reminded of a story I read where they test screened JAWS without the music to minimal effect and how Spielberg laughed out when Williams first played it for him. Then later when they screened it with music, people poo poo themselves.

I don't know how one gets so good at one particular thing the way he did or manages to associate themselves so singularly with audio work within a visual medium that gets so etched in our brains (Like the Superman theme). Not only did he seem to enhance everything he touched, I honestly can't ever recall him failing or even being just average.

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BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
A lot of it is probably because he's making good use of inspiration. A lot of Star Wars music can be traced back to Gustav Holst's The Planets suite among other pieces.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



oldpainless posted:

C-3PO is one of my most disliked characters in film and tv. . The other being Ruby Rhod in The Fifth Element and all the girls from Sex and the City.

More like old correct-less.

Wait, that makes it sound like I think you're wrong.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BioEnchanted posted:

A lot of it is probably because he's making good use of inspiration. A lot of Star Wars music can be traced back to Gustav Holst's The Planets suite among other pieces.

It's really funny listening to The Planets and hearing basically half of every 20th century soundtrack just laid out there for you.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

BiggerBoat posted:

God, yes. Williams contributions alone have turned simply good movies into all time classics. I'm reminded of a story I read where they test screened JAWS without the music to minimal effect and how Spielberg laughed out when Williams first played it for him. Then later when they screened it with music, people poo poo themselves.

A few years ago I was in a theater listening to a full orchestra playing John Williams's music and the Jaws theme is by far what left a mark. All the low frequency instruments make the whole place vibrate when it's played live by an orchestra and you can feel the crescendo in your gut. It's honestly disconcerting and really puts you on edge. Recommended as an experience if you can find something similar.

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

oldpainless posted:

C-3PO is one of my most disliked characters in film and tv. . The other being Ruby Rhod in The Fifth Element and all the girls from Sex and the City.

Meanwhile Beaumont Livingston is one of my most-liked characters in film because it's a Chris Tucker character who gets shot in the face in the first five minutes of the film and is never seen again.

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