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Theoretically, is there anyway an an anonymous employee survey (filled out on company computers connected to the company network) could ever actually be anonymous? It's always a trap. Always. Right?
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Aug 12, 2021 21:09
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It can be if someone is trying real hard. But nobody will get paid to do that.
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Aug 12, 2021 21:20
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Roumba posted:Theoretically, is there anyway an an anonymous employee survey (filled out on company computers connected to the company network) could ever actually be anonymous? I want to say no, but if a manager or an HR person or a c-level is going after someone in the company because of an answer in a survey then this person is already boned regardless, so odds is that it's not a trap for most people. Edit: I meant the other word Space Kablooey fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Aug 12, 2021 21:21
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Naughty children go in the egg! Naughty children go in the egg!  Did you work in The Village?
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Aug 12, 2021 21:30
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I'm not a religious man but I'm going to start thanking the lord everyday that I don't work at 'the egg place'.
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Aug 12, 2021 21:41
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Roumba posted:Theoretically, is there anyway an an anonymous employee survey (filled out on company computers connected to the company network) could ever actually be anonymous? Not necessarily. I did these every once in a while when I worked C-Suite and they were legitimately about gathering information about broad trends so you don't fall into the trap of just listening to the small cohort of staff that whine the most. Always assume people are lazy, and creating a trap survey is a whole lot of work to just randomly fish for staff to say something that would get them in trouble.
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Aug 12, 2021 21:42
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Imagined posted:If you were hiring people for your own business, would you look for people with the skills you needed, and then hoped their personality matched with the existing team, or would you first look for people who fit the vibe and then expect to train them on any skills they lacked? (I realize the ideal answer is "both" but that's looking for unicorns) There already is a personality score its just not listed on paper or ever going to be reported. Part of the interview is discovering if the candidate can mesh with the department. For example finding out that your interviewee is someone that's going "well actually..." everything is a solid failure for personality score.
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Aug 12, 2021 21:51
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Joose & arm reduction were real Zip line death machine was real Texarrakis was real Sawn structural beams were real Lost fingat was real Gooncamp was real The egg place is real Bug world is real The majority of absolutely batshit goon stories are real
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Aug 12, 2021 21:56
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Hotdog man and bee fire man were also real.
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Aug 12, 2021 21:58
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If I ever find myself in the egg place I'll be fine, because I know the secret power of egg and will embrace it
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Aug 12, 2021 21:58
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Joose & arm reduction were real What about fecal lasagna?
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Aug 12, 2021 22:01
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That guy went nuts and had been stealing goon posts and photo shops to sell t-shirts or some poo poo, so I must assume it was real and was the nucleation point for insanity
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Aug 12, 2021 22:07
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Zil posted:What about fecal lasagna? I want to believe in it.
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Aug 12, 2021 22:32
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Volmarias posted:Hire on intelligence, screen for personalities so awful they can't even hide them for an interview round. I've found the ultimate question for hiring software developers: "What do you think of Elon Musk?"
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Aug 12, 2021 22:45
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zedprime posted:I don't want to have 2 beers with colleagues or leave them with my car or dog out of principal. I also don't want to work with most of my friends. Occupational and social harmony are at cross purposes for me: I want partly challenging relationships and the reasons I want my work relationships to be challenging are why I wouldn't want to be friends and vice versa. I'm not saying you need to be friends, but if someone is so annoying or disruptive you can't handle spending half an hour with them, how can you possibly hope to work in a collaborative team environment and still tolerate your job? We have field days where it's high stress, 'get a lot of technical poo poo done and improvise half of it' deal. If someone is an argumentative, peevish, well actually type it's not going to work. I've lived all over the world and worked with a pretty diverse range of people with lots of personality types and still enjoyed being around them and had good working relationships. Your example of an obsessive-compulsive planner and the free-spirited idea guy is perfect. They can rub each other the wrong way sometimes on technical issues, but if they can't stand being around each other for half an hour how can you expect good work out of them? I'm not going to intentionally create a miserable working environment for my staff, that'll just encourage people to start looking for a better job. Likewise, if you can't trust someone to look after a puppy for a weekend they're not the sort of responsible person I want to trust with a $5,000 piece of equipment or manage an important funder relationship or do sensitive data analysis. champagne posting posted:I've found the ultimate question for hiring software developers: "What do you think of Elon Musk?" If I'd asked some of my housemates this I could have saved myself a huge amount of bullshit.
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Aug 12, 2021 22:48
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Outrail posted:I'm not saying you need to be friends, but if someone is so annoying or disruptive you can't handle spending half an hour with them, how can you possibly hope to work in a collaborative team environment and still tolerate your job? We have field days where it's high stress, 'get a lot of technical poo poo done and improvise half of it' deal. If someone is an argumentative, peevish, well actually type it's not going to work. I've lived all over the world and worked with a pretty diverse range of people with lots of personality types and still enjoyed being around them and had good working relationships. All of your puppy examples are things you can better evaluate in behavioural interview prompts because these are getting closer to hard skills. Unless I'm meant to padlock and store my puppy out of sight or in a trunk on the way to a client site, spoil it rotten and provide it's every whim and need like a client, or I can't even think of a data analysis joke to put in here it's such a non sequitur. This all distills into the slight insanity of modern interviewing like someone was saying where we need to take an hour of someone on their best behavior and figure out if they're gonna be productive or not. If 2 beers and a puppy helps you organize your thoughts on this I can't discredit you personally, just remind you it's a saying percolating out there in a managing force that overwhelmingly only wants to have beer with their own gender and race or thinks Koreans eat dogs. More simply reminding myself that my most productive personal or business relationships are challenging helps me with hiring goal #1, don't keep hiring yourself.
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Aug 12, 2021 23:38
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A job made me take a cognitive evaluation exam that was brutally difficult and I couldn't finish the entire thing. Apparently I scored insanely high on it because the test is designed for you to fail, which boy howdy thats definitely the feeling you want your candidate to have during the hiring process when they have no idea thats part of the test. When I hired people I threw the results of that test in the trash because it was horseshit for me, it'll be horseshit for them.
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Aug 13, 2021 00:35
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zedprime posted:don't keep hiring yourself. We're not making that mistake again
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Aug 13, 2021 01:19
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If I ever find myself in the egg place I'll be fine, because I'll be masturbating.
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Aug 13, 2021 01:48
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Got this email today quote:[Company] CORONAVIRUS COVID-19 UPDATE Hopefully this is further cementing them "work from home, forever, people are a disease" thing. This is the department that operates next to our department's (now empty) cubicles. If we were working there right now we'd all have been exposed.
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Aug 13, 2021 02:11
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We were set to re-open full (Well, we only have desks for 60% of our locations workers and only 10% are expected to be in 4-5 days a week) next month. Today we got an email that re-openings for ALL locations have been frozen until October and they sent us a link to fill out a survey about our vaccination status. Still debating what to put there. Our boss is already pushing to let us go back to just being in 3 days a week because with the limited re-opening we've had going since June, the only time people ever actually come in is when there's free food. Otherwise we have maybe 20-50 cars in the parking lot.
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Aug 13, 2021 02:31
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AHH F/UGH posted:I’m the “poo poo like that”, emphasis on the poo poo  Xaintrailles posted:If I ever find myself in the egg place I'll be fine, because I'll be masturbating.  I always appreciate a good chuckle before Friday, my busiest day of the week--gotta love those 4:45pm URGENT! tickets coming in that can (and usually will) wait until next week. But hey, if the powerpoint you aren't even going to open over the weekend's gotta be fixed CRITICAL/RUSH! then I'm happy picking up some OT and I'll be thorough enough to keep you nearby for testing.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:01
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Interviewing or knowing who to hire is a 100% bullshit art form entirely informed by experience of the one hiring. It has extraordinarily little to do with what your actual resume says and a ton to do with how well you can coerce an interviewer, or several interviewers, into hiring you. That's why your offices are filled with a mix of good and dogshit employees. It's almost a literal coin flip on whether or not the person hired is worth a poo poo or a literal Karen from HR. And thats before nepotism.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:16
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AHH F/UGH posted:Got this email today We got one of these today too! quote:We are aware that two employees (who were in our building on August 2nd) have reported that they tested positive for COVID-19, on August 11th. We will follow CDC guidelines as to when they may report back to [company.] These 2 employees are believed to have had no close contact with any fellow employees. Note: that the CDC defines “close contact” as being within approximately 6 feet of someone for a total of 15 minutes or more. We promise that over 9 days they weren't in close contact with anyone (by this very specific definition of "close contact.")
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Aug 13, 2021 03:26
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Interviewing or knowing who to hire is a 100% bullshit art form entirely informed by experience of the one hiring. It has extraordinarily little to do with what your actual resume says and a ton to do with how well you can coerce an interviewer, or several interviewers, into hiring you. Yep, interviewing is an art because people are loving weird and sometimes cool. Also nepotism seems to win at least 80% of the time from experience. Which means if the job you're applying to uses taleo or any of those extremely lovely software packages then don't bother applying. The people that set those up are idiots.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:46
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AHH F/UGH posted:Got this email today i've gotten these emails at work like twice a week for a while now, it sucks lol thankfully i don't really need to go to the office very often, but tbh going in once or twice a week helps my brain be less depressed 
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Aug 13, 2021 04:17
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My office was thankfully very early about adapting to full work from home, so I am a little shocked that they are forging ahead with their October back to office plan, with mandatory “welcome back” party in mid September for some goddamn reason. I work on a small team and one of them blabbed to me that we have an anti vaxxer on our team, so that’s fun.
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Aug 13, 2021 05:39
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remigious posted:My office was thankfully very early about adapting to full work from home, so I am a little shocked that they are forging ahead with their October back to office plan, with mandatory “welcome back” party in mid September for some goddamn reason. Our CEO really wanted us back "as soon as it was safe" for a good stretch (albeit with COVID-safe guidelines for in the office), and we managed it for a bit earlier this year, but I think the Delta outbreaks have has put paid to any further ideas of going back to the office again anytime soon.
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Aug 13, 2021 06:24
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Our CEO really wanted us back "as soon as it was safe" for a good stretch (albeit with COVID-safe guidelines for in the office), and we managed it for a bit earlier this year, but I think the Delta outbreaks have has put paid to any further ideas of going back to the office again anytime soon. Our CEO wants us all to come back in the office so he can sneak up behind people while they’re on zoom calls.
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Aug 13, 2021 13:10
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Our CEO really wanted us back "as soon as it was safe" for a good stretch (albeit with COVID-safe guidelines for in the office), and we managed it for a bit earlier this year, but I think the Delta outbreaks have has put paid to any further ideas of going back to the office again anytime soon. You can have soon, or you can have safe. Pick one ya dummies.
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Aug 13, 2021 16:19
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Scientastic posted:Hiring for personality risks creating a homogeneous workforce of people who are all similar to the hiring manager. It’s well established that people automatically (subconsciously) warm more to people who look like them, and that doesn’t make for a diverse team who attack problems in different ways. What's even worse are personality test vendors that compare all results against an "ideal" which is usually some extrovert, bubbly type that they try to fill every job with. One of my old employers required every applicant to take a personality assessment that very much intended to make a homogeneous workforce. It was bullshit and easily faked through at least.
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Aug 13, 2021 17:23
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Outrail posted:You can have soon, or you can have safe. Pick one ya dummies. "Safe" in regards to others (especially peons) doesn't register for these people. "You can have soon, or you can pay out legal settlements when you start getting sued for being a superspreader site 40 hours a week" might work better.
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Aug 13, 2021 17:41
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When I was a teacher, one school I worked at always had the dumbest last minute, all-hands-on-deck meetings. Basically the equivalent of reading Dark Souls item descriptions to piece together background lore of events you weren’t present for. “From now on Ketchup is not allowed in rooms with state testing, no exceptions!” “For those of you who met with the school board last Friday, don’t forget Ms. Deborah in the front office has your checks. Please pick them up before the end of the school day tomorrow.” “District lawyers have instructed us not to talk to the media about [some student most people in the room don’t know.]” “Innovation team, your budget has been approved so you can get started any time.” “Uhh what’s the innovation team?” “If you don’t know then don’t worry about it.”
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Aug 13, 2021 17:46
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Every place I've worked that employ tests as part of the hiring process use both a comprehensive problem solving test and a DISC test to see how the applicant would fit into the team. Tests would only be administered to those applicants who went on to a second interview, and the results would be compared with the impressions from the first interview. If something scored as an outlier or a surprise, it would be a topic for the second interview. As one of my managers once put it: the problem solving test is to screen for complete idiots and the DISC test is to screen for extreme outliers, but their main functions are only as sanity checks for the CV and the impression from the interviews.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:04
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I, too, make all my hiring decisions based on a personality test developed by the creator of Wonder Woman.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:11
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Mzuri posted:Every place I've worked that employ tests as part of the hiring process use both a comprehensive problem solving test and a DISC test to see how the applicant would fit into the team. Frisbee golf is probably better than most interview tests TBH.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:30
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I've never had to take any kind of personality test for a job application and if someone said I had to I would immediately ghost them because lmao wtf
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Aug 13, 2021 18:37
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Interviewing or knowing who to hire is a 100% bullshit art form entirely informed by experience of the one hiring. It has extraordinarily little to do with what your actual resume says and a ton to do with how well you can coerce an interviewer, or several interviewers, into hiring you. I made a little development exercise that we send out to candidates. It's pretty simple, we give them a few assets to throw into an app that should allow the user to drag and drop an item into a container. And this is in a dev environment that's built for this kind of thing, so it's maybe a few hours of work to complete even if you've never used the platform in question. This is part of the screening process too, not a live interview or something, so you get the stuff, you can complete it on your own time, nobody's looking over your shoulder, and there's no time limit (although I do understand that people want to rush through it to get it done as quickly as possible). We ask them to publish to an executable, and then send the source code and executable back to us. You WOULD NOT BELIEVE how many applicants I've been able to screen out with this thing. I'd say about 80% fail out at this stage. I have yet to have a bad hire who's gone through this process.
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Aug 13, 2021 19:04
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SubnormalityStairs posted:I made a little development exercise that we send out to candidates. It's pretty simple, we give them a few assets to throw into an app that should allow the user to drag and drop an item into a container. And this is in a dev environment that's built for this kind of thing, so it's maybe a few hours of work to complete even if you've never used the platform in question. This is part of the screening process too, not a live interview or something, so you get the stuff, you can complete it on your own time, nobody's looking over your shoulder, and there's no time limit (although I do understand that people want to rush through it to get it done as quickly as possible). We ask them to publish to an executable, and then send the source code and executable back to us. at a past body shop, i interviewed someone for a c# role and got somebody that did our 30 minute long assignment entirely in javascript, then said "well i dont know c#" this was not a general SDE one, it was specifically advertised as c# and .net core only with zero ambiguity i fuckin love code
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Elephant Ambush posted:I've never had to take any kind of personality test for a job application and if someone said I had to I would immediately ghost them because lmao wtf I took one of these for a project manager job years ago and the recruiter said I didn't pass it fuckin lol
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