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Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

shoc77 posted:

I see, is there any reason for me to keep the ilvl 50 armor or should I just junk it to save inventory space?

Also, what is this augmented ironworks and poetic stuff that has been mentioned? I'm already level 51 even though I'm still only at lvl 43/44 of the MSQ chain. Should I even bother myself with those as going by the speed I'm levelling, I'll most likely be in my mid 50s when I complete the ARR MSQ.

The original level 50 sets go into the Armoire furniture in inn rooms or FC estates so you can keep them around for glamour later with zero inventory hit.

You might get a few incidental Tomestones of Poetics from roulettes or duties now that you are 50 but I don't believe you can spend them until you see your first set of credits at the end of 2.0. Poetics are a catch-all gear and item exchange token for everything that isn't the current expansion. Your initial use when you can is exchanging them for Augmented Ironworks gear, which is i130 and was nearly the best gear available in ARR through all the patches.

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cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
I don't think there's any way to acquire gear higher than level 50 before entering heavensward so you might as well just get better level 50 gear to help when you're doing synced content. I don't think you can get ironworks gear until you finish 2.0 though.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Thanks for the responses guys.

Another question: How does this game handle old expansions? Like, when Endwalker is released and you buy it, is Shadowbringers automatically included in that?

I just hit level 60, and I'm still gaining XP, and I can use the red mage/samurai class, so I assume I got access to Stormbringer (but I can't make the new races, meaning I'm locked out of SB), so I'm thinking it might be cheaper to just wait until endwalker is released and getting that instead of double dipping on that and SB

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


shoc77 posted:

I see, is there any reason for me to keep the ilvl 50 armor or should I just junk it to save inventory space?

Also, what is this augmented ironworks and poetic stuff that has been mentioned? I'm already level 51 even though I'm still only at lvl 43/44 of the MSQ chain. Should I even bother myself with those as going by the speed I'm levelling, I'll most likely be in my mid 50s when I complete the ARR MSQ.

If you like the appearance of it, shove it in the glam closet. If not, then there's no reason to hold onto it.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

McCloud posted:

Thanks for the responses guys.

Another question: How does this game handle old expansions? Like, when Endwalker is released and you buy it, is Shadowbringers automatically included in that?

I just hit level 60, and I'm still gaining XP, and I can use the red mage/samurai class, so I assume I got access to Stormbringer (but I can't make the new races, meaning I'm locked out of SB), so I'm thinking it might be cheaper to just wait until endwalker is released and getting that instead of double dipping on that and SB

I was a little confused by this, but judging from your previous post you recently resurrected an old account, so I assume you must have started playing originally during Stormblood but before Shadowbringers came out. It would definitely be cheapest to wait till Endwalker and use that to get Shadowbringers, if you don't mind waiting.

Zurtilik
Oct 23, 2015

The Biggest Brain in Guardia

McCloud posted:

Thanks for the responses guys.

Another question: How does this game handle old expansions? Like, when Endwalker is released and you buy it, is Shadowbringers automatically included in that?

I just hit level 60, and I'm still gaining XP, and I can use the red mage/samurai class, so I assume I got access to Stormbringer (but I can't make the new races, meaning I'm locked out of SB), so I'm thinking it might be cheaper to just wait until endwalker is released and getting that instead of double dipping on that and SB

Edit: above post understood better. Feel free to ignore.

My understanding is that all pre-Endwalker stuff is now wrapped up in the initial purchase but you'll have to buy Endwlaker separately. Usually they'll roll it into the main game towards the end of life for the expansion which probably won't be until like 2023. (Xpacs seem to be ~2 years.)

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, when Endwalker goes live and you apply a license to your account it will fill in any expansion gaps you may have.

So, you have two options:

1) Just roll with what you have, buy Endwalker only, and you will be limited to your current expansions until November 23rd.
2) Buy the Complete Edition right now (which is on sale) to fill the gaps in your account and then separately buy Endwalker. If you already have Stormblood licensing you can also just get SHB alone but I don't know if that's on sale like the complete edition is.

Either way you can pre-order Endwalker if you want, you get the pre-order bonuses right now including the exp bonus earring. They won't flag your account with missing expansions until it launches, however.

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

There's also option of just taking a break when you're out of stuff to do and returning, when Endwalker comes.

I Started FFXIV starter edition, when Shadowbringer came and played for about 3 months, until my Paladin had finished the 5.0.
Now I'm back and been doing 5.1-> and unlocking raids and dungeons that I skipped from Heavensward and Stormblood.
I Did Pre-order the Endwalker, but probably going to take another break before its release.

Issaries fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Aug 13, 2021

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

cheetah7071 posted:

I don't think there's any way to acquire gear higher than level 50 before entering heavensward so you might as well just get better level 50 gear to help when you're doing synced content. I don't think you can get ironworks gear until you finish 2.0 though.

You can buy 50+ gear off the market board, or ask a friend to buy some from a vendor for you before you reach HW. But Augmented Ironworks doesn't drop off until about 55ish in HW.

Jeremor
Jun 1, 2009

Drop Your Nuts



I'm a little late to the question of why I like this game, but it was something that struck me last night so...

I'm only lvl 60, been subbed for about a month at this point after playing through the free trial a while back. I've just beaten leviathan in the msq stuff, not sure where exactly that puts me in the arr content.

Nostalgia is a huge part of the appeal of the game. The earlier games in the series were some of my favorite games of all time, as well as stuff like ff tactics. Hearing music you know, enemies, classes, summons, magitek... all that stuff gives a hit of dopamine for sure. However, that only really gets you so far, it's just a minor aspect along the way.

As a person that has actively hated most every mmo I've ever played, my favorite thing about this game is that it very rarely ever feels like a job. Some of the msq quests get a bit boring, sure, and there are definitely parts of the game that require grinding if you want to engage with them. Most of that poo poo is either temporary or unnecessary. You are not spending hours killing mobs until you level up so you can go kill other mobs for a few more hours, just so you can get to the level where you can hop on the next treadmill and chase the next carrot on a stick... all while being alone in a soulless world where other players barely interact with you. You can treat the game that way if you like, but you're doing it to yourself.

In this game you can do some voiced msq quests about how you saved a city from being wiped out, then go queue up for a roulette of bite-size dungeons, while waiting in a town square listening to a bard playing Never Gonna Give You Up as catgirls in hot topic clothing dance around. Your roulette will pop, you'll load in to somebody saying this is their first time, another person will tell them what to do, you'll be in and out in like 20 minutes and everybody will say gg even if you died 3 times. Then you can go win fake money in a casino, playing card games or betting on chocobos, until you need to go to sleep.

And never once did it feel like you were having to force the game to let you have fun. It just wants you to have a good time.

Zutaten
May 8, 2007

What the shit.

Jeremor posted:

As a person that has actively hated most every mmo I've ever played, my favorite thing about this game is that it very rarely ever feels like a job. Some of the msq quests get a bit boring, sure, and there are definitely parts of the game that require grinding if you want to engage with them. Most of that poo poo is either temporary or unnecessary. You are not spending hours killing mobs until you level up so you can go kill other mobs for a few more hours, just so you can get to the level where you can hop on the next treadmill and chase the next carrot on a stick... all while being alone in a soulless world where other players barely interact with you. You can treat the game that way if you like, but you're doing it to yourself.


In this game you can do some voiced msq quests about how you saved a city from being wiped out, then go queue up for a roulette of bite-size dungeons, while waiting in a town square listening to a bard playing Never Gonna Give You Up as catgirls in hot topic clothing dance around. Your roulette will pop, you'll load in to somebody saying this is their first time, another person will tell them what to do, you'll be in and out in like 20 minutes and everybody will say gg even if you died 3 times. Then you can go win fake money in a casino, playing card games or betting on chocobos, until you need to go to sleep.

I agree with all of this. FF14 is fun-first and very little of it feels like an obligation. And it hangs a lot of weight on spectacle, emotion, and nostalgia/recognizability rather than Big Number.

The only other MMO that I've played that comes close to feeling the same way is Star Trek Online, which I would strongly recommend with the caveat that you have to really love Star Trek, but in the way ordinary people like Marvel movies. You, know, going "woo" when a character you remember shows up, and scooting forward in your seat when it seems like an important character might die, even though you know they'll be fine.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
New folks - the annual Moonfire Faire event is up. Go have fun and get, uh, a polar bear (?) mount!

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/2021/Moonfire_Faire/y2mjm7r1v6

If you're not high enough level yet you have two weeks to get there.

Zurtilik
Oct 23, 2015

The Biggest Brain in Guardia
Not home right now. What level is the event? I can't click the link at work either :(

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Zurtilik posted:

Not home right now. What level is the event? I can't click the link at work either :(

Level 30. Seasonal events like this are always pretty low, they're intended for everyone to be able to do.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, it's level 30 and takes you to Costa Del Sol. Most seasonal events just require you to have done MSQ to 15 so you have airship access for the cities. I assume there's no MSQ restriction on the event since the page doesn't list a prereq there.

Zurtilik
Oct 23, 2015

The Biggest Brain in Guardia
Wonderful!

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Moonfire Faire stuff is usually level 30 because Costa del Sol is a level 30 area.

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
FYI once you get a grand company it's always worth it to check out the prices on the item turn-ins. I went up 4 levels of fishing by turning in a HQ Silver Shark that I bought for 900 gil

g-c
Dec 10, 2006

Say cheese

Tortolia posted:

Yeah, it's level 30 and takes you to Costa Del Sol. Most seasonal events just require you to have done MSQ to 15 so you have airship access for the cities. I assume there's no MSQ restriction on the event since the page doesn't list a prereq there.



i need this. i need this real bad.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

Piell posted:

FYI once you get a grand company it's always worth it to check out the prices on the item turn-ins. I went up 4 levels of fishing by turning in a HQ Silver Shark that I bought for 900 gil


Good tip - I have traditionally gotten a ton of incidental experience on crafter and gatherer jobs by doing GC turnins using cheap vendor/market goods. It gets you a ton of seals you can turn into ventures, too.

The last few expansions I would just do the cheap daily GC item turnins while leveling stuff and wind up with like 3000 ventures to fund my retainers for the next two years.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Also yeah, there's no specific MSQ requirement for seasonal events, you just need to be able to get to the place where it is, which is why it's usually 15 so you can at least use the airships to get to all three base cities.

Zurtilik
Oct 23, 2015

The Biggest Brain in Guardia

Waffleman_ posted:

Also yeah, there's no specific MSQ requirement for seasonal events, you just need to be able to get to the place where it is, which is why it's usually 15 so you can at least use the airships to get to all three base cities.

Are the Aetherytes not activated by default for the big 3? I for some reason thought they were.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

You have to attune to them and you're basically stuck in the starting city until 15.

Algid
Oct 10, 2007


No aetherytes are activated by default, pretty sure that's why your first quest is in that weird instance zone for the cities where they force you to set a homepoint.

shoc77
Apr 21, 2015
Is there any method for a newbie to get 80 points for fashion report this week?

Seems like the only available items are adventurer hood or fiberglass leather vest seem really expensive.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

shoc77 posted:

Is there any method for a newbie to get 80 points for fashion report this week?

Seems like the only available items are adventurer hood or fiberglass leather vest seem really expensive.

This week seems newbie unfriendly.

https://i.imgur.com/13rvdys.png

Theoretically you could use the Strife chest instead if you have that, but most of the specific pieces are higher level gear or would have a fairly steep market tax right now. Even just slapping a bunch of the correct dyes onto random pieces would be prohibitive since jet black is pricey.

If you're not far enough in the MSQ to run the 59 dungeon or have the Strife chest it's probably best to just get your 10k participation MGP and don't sweat this week.

Zet
Aug 3, 2010

Piell posted:

FYI once you get a grand company it's always worth it to check out the prices on the item turn-ins. I went up 4 levels of fishing by turning in a HQ Silver Shark that I bought for 900 gil


Whenever I look at the NPC the turn-in(?) board is empty? I haven't delved too hard into the GC side of things, but from it being empty I assumed it was some sort of first come first serve at the reset timer.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

Zet posted:

Whenever I look at the NPC the turn-in(?) board is empty? I haven't delved too hard into the GC side of things, but from it being empty I assumed it was some sort of first come first serve at the reset timer.

GC turnins don't unlock until you've been promoted a few times as I recall, plus they don't display any turnins for jobs you don't have unlocked. They are available for every player who meets the requirements though.

Zet
Aug 3, 2010

Tortolia posted:

GC turnins don't unlock until you've been promoted a few times as I recall, plus they don't display any turnins for jobs you don't have unlocked. They are available for every player who meets the requirements though.

Auugh. Thanks. I don't remember seeing that called out. :(

I bumped myself up to the 2nd rank before I logged and did see I could do it again with the seals I had, so I'll do that next.

[edit] Ah, per https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Grand_Company_Ranks, I'm missing a DoH/DoL class

quote:

In addition to Private Third Class, Deliveries require unlocking the Disciple of the Land or Disciple of the Hand the player wishes to deliver for in order to deliver items.

I guess that makes sense? I definitely assumed I could've just bought stuff off the market board, but maybe that is not lore-friendly or something...

Zet fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Aug 13, 2021

SettingSun
Aug 10, 2013

You CAN buy crafted items off the mb to deliver to the GC. You can also do this for most of the class quests. You just have to technically be able to craft it in the first place.

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


My free trial buddy found out that he can't play in PVP while on the free trial. This was news to me and apparently there's a "temporary" restriction preventing it that has been in place since February. I don't think I've seen that posted anywhere so it might be good to add to the OP.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Ruzihm posted:

My free trial buddy found out that he can't play in PVP while on the free trial. This was news to me and apparently there's a "temporary" restriction preventing it that has been in place since February. I don't think I've seen that posted anywhere so it might be good to add to the OP.

I don't PvP so this is news to me! Added to the OP!

Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

Ruzihm posted:

My free trial buddy found out that he can't play in PVP while on the free trial. This was news to me and apparently there's a "temporary" restriction preventing it that has been in place since February. I don't think I've seen that posted anywhere so it might be good to add to the OP.

Yeah, I think they were worried about people using alternate accounts for win trading.

Saxophone
Sep 19, 2006


Cythereal posted:

I don't PvP so this is news to me! Added to the OP!

I normally wouldn't touch PVP with a 30 ft stick, but it's only ever 20 minutes long, you get the exact same amount of XP whether you win or lose, and before 40 it's like 2 and 1/2 levels worth of XP. After that it's still worth almost a level, and at level 59 it gave me a solid third of a level of XP.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Yeah PVP is pretty chill. You can kinda just stick with the crowd and try to take people down, there's not gonna be anyone yelling at you. It's insanely hectic, but you can just spam AOEs or try to target healers or whoever is in your face and contribute a little bit.

Make sure you go to Wolf's Den Pier and set up your PVP hotbar before you jump in, though. It's a completely different set of abilities (combos are condensed to one button, and a lot of abilities work completely differently, sometimes doing the opposite of what they normally do). The XP is nice, but the true reward is the wolf marks that you can use to buy cool PVP gear for glamour!

Hyper Inferno
Jun 11, 2015

Rosalind posted:

Yeah, I think they were worried about people using alternate accounts for win trading.

There was a sudden spike in cheating in PvP that they traced back to free trial accounts and people constantly creating accounts to do it so they disabled it.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/aae705d4b111c011d917da13916bd640829c1ae9

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
Yeah PVP has some legitimate great glamours and cosmetic rewards, it's worth doing frontlines roulettes here and there to fairly painlessly buy what you want.

acumen
Mar 17, 2005
Fun Shoe
Also if you're just starting out the level 50 and 60 pvp gear is okayish for ilvls if you don't have enough poetics for a full suit yet. And cheap as gently caress.

As the resident Frontline shill here I would like to again wholly recommend it! Quick, rewarding, and attaining Battle High V and becoming an unstoppable monster is rad

Mainwaring
Jun 22, 2007

Disco is not dead! Disco is LIFE!



I was nervous about PvP because I saw there were loads of different skills and I was nervous about fitting them on my crowded hotbars. But are you saying that the hotbars are completely separate so that's no issue?

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Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Mainwaring posted:

I was nervous about PvP because I saw there were loads of different skills and I was nervous about fitting them on my crowded hotbars. But are you saying that the hotbars are completely separate so that's no issue?

Yes, when you spawn into PVP areas, your hotbars are replaced with PVP specific hotbars. That's why I recommend going over to the wolves den to get your hotbar situated before you queue up for frontline.

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