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Gynovore posted:Fallen Empires was so hilariously overprinted that a nearby LGS was running a sealed box tournament. Yep, that's right, each entrant got an entire box of Fallen Empires to build their deck. I feel like that would result in everyone just playing mono-black with 4x Hymn and 4x Order of the Ebon Hand.
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Arivia posted:I feel like that would result in everyone just playing mono-black with 4x Hymn and 4x Order of the Ebon Hand. I think that was how it went, except with no 4x limit.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:06
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Jabor posted:Unfortunately, this is not the case - DFCs get a specific carveout in the tournament rules, which carrying around extra basic lands doesn't: quote:could conceivably be played in the player’s deck,
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Aug 13, 2021 03:21
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HootTheOwl posted:That they are in different sleeves is what makes it inconceivable that they could be played in your deck. this is absolutely not what that line is referring to. its fine if you want to make dumb rear end posts during spoiler season or whatever but please refrain from unqualified hot takes that will get someone disqualified from a tournament
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Aug 13, 2021 03:22
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little munchkin posted:this is absolutely not what that line is referring to. its fine if you want to make dumb rear end posts during spoiler season or whatever but please refrain from unqualified hot takes that will get someone disqualified from a tournament I'm an L2 and that's exactly what it means so kindly gently caress off.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:32
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HootTheOwl posted:I'm an L2 and that's exactly what it means so kindly gently caress off. Why would the rule call out specific cards as allowable in the deckbox and include the caveat that they must be in different sleeves than the main deck? If what you’re saying is true then the rule should simply state “any extra cards stored with the sideboard must be in different sleeves than the main deck and sideboard or they will be considered part of the sideboard.”
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Aug 13, 2021 03:41
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LeafHouse posted:Why would the rule call out specific cards as allowable in the deckbox and include the caveat that they must be in different sleeves than the main deck? I wasn't consulted in the rule writing process. E: oh, because under your writing if I don't sleeve my SB (say I split a sleeve and had to borrow one off a SB card) that card is now indistinguishable from an "extra card" Where as a card in a different sleeve can't be confused in that way. HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Aug 13, 2021 |
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Aug 13, 2021 03:46
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HootTheOwl posted:I'm an L2 and that's exactly what it means so kindly gently caress off.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:49
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I mean, it'd take a very grognardy judge to DQ someone for having basics in different sleeves with a clear use as non-playables in the same deckbox...ah, yeah, this is MTG we're talking about.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:53
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little munchkin posted:assuming fadam already knows this but just in case, using actual mtg cards as tokens is not comp rel legal I actually didn’t know this, but it makes sense. It was for EDH tho so who cares lol. BTW whoever told me that Karn can still yoink stuff out of exile I owe you one. I had a winning play tonight because I Karned back a Cursed Mirror which I used to copy a Nyxbloom Ancient (shoutout to Bust Rodd) which gave me juuust enough mana to combo with Godo. EDH is fun, I look forward to playing it more.
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Aug 13, 2021 03:57
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HootTheOwl posted:I wasn't consulted in the rule writing process. Surely not but the way the rule is written casts doubt on your claim. This 2013 blog post by a L3 judge also supports the idea that you can’t just jam any cards in different sleeves in your deckbox. “Magic Judges Blog” posted:So please, please, please, don’t store ANY cards in your deckbox aside from your registered deck and registered sideboard. We treat any other cards that could “conceivably be played in the deck” as part of the sideboard, which is bad news bears for you, because that won’t match your decklist. And the threshold for “conceivably” is pretty low… “Legal in the format” is often enough to qualify, although “of a color(s) that the deck could ever possibly produce” is something that can also be considered. Something we definitely DON’T take into account: “This is a strategically sound choice for a sideboard card for this deck,” because we aren’t responsible for making that analysis. This also means a basic land, even one outside your deck’s colors, could conceivably be played, and shouldn’t be used as a divider. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2013/07/dont-store-any-extra-cards-with-your-sideboard/
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Aug 13, 2021 03:58
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LeafHouse posted:Surely not but the way the rule is written casts doubt on your claim. Competitive magic 2013 is very different than today. In 2013? Yeah, people were handing out game loses for pokemon cards in the deck box. It 100% would have been enforced that way in 2013, and probably would have been a DQ in 2009.
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Aug 13, 2021 04:00
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fadam posted:I actually didn’t know this, but it makes sense. It was for EDH tho so who cares lol. Cool line for sure. I wanna get a Nyxbloom Ancient for one of my more casual decks, it's always seemed like a real fun card.
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Aug 13, 2021 04:15
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HootTheOwl posted:Competitive magic 2013 is very different than today. In 2013? Yeah, people were handing out game loses for pokemon cards in the deck box. It 100% would have been enforced that way in 2013, and probably would have been a DQ in 2009. Having a card in your deckbox that is a legal card in the format but not on your decklist, regardless of what color sleeve it's in, qualifies as Tournament Error - Deck Problem. However, if you make sure to present your sideboard (By removing in from your deckbox and identifying it your opponent.) at the start of each match you can have extra cards in your deckbox.
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Aug 13, 2021 04:34
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you're inviting disaster putting magic cards in your deck box that aren't in your deck list in a tournament setting. it's trivially easy to avoid even the possibility of getting dq'd for that reason by an ornery judge. just use Pokemon cards or a d20 or a bunch of puppies or anything at all but basic lands from the magic the gathering card game
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Aug 13, 2021 05:20
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I take it that putting rock lobster, paper tiger, and scissor lizard in my deck box to determine who goes first is a bad idea?
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Aug 13, 2021 05:41
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I wonder if they're going to reprint:  Seems like it would be decently cool. Any hot takes on other cards that might get reprinted? edit: or maybe 
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Drewjitsu posted:I take it that putting rock lobster, paper tiger, and scissor lizard in my deck box to determine who goes first is a bad idea? They're not legal in any format, so they're fine.
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Aug 13, 2021 05:57
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Jabor posted:Unfortunately, this is not the case - DFCs get a specific carveout in the tournament rules, which carrying around extra basic lands doesn't: Does this mean you can rock up with your expensive RL cards and ask to proxy them under the guise of being "damaged"? If your dog tips your trop in half you can proxy it as long as you have the pieces? fadam posted:I actually didn’t know this, but it makes sense. It was for EDH tho so who cares lol. Karn grabbing stuff that's been exiled is such bullshit 
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Aug 13, 2021 08:20
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HootTheOwl posted:I disagree because: You can look at the clarifying notes on MagicJudges if it helps: quote:It is important that the sideboard is kept physically far enough away that it doesn’t become mixed with the player’s library. Cards in a deckbox that could conceivably be used in the deck can be suspicious, and provide an opportunity for the player to cheat by being added to the deck in between games. We want to remove this opportunity and so cards in the deckbox are considered to be part of the sideboard unless explicitly called out as an exception. It can be a good idea for a supplementary announcement involving cards in deckboxes to be issued so that we can curb this behavior. That last paragraph means that yes technically you're fine to have extra cards in different sleeves if you explicitly identify your sideboard before each match, but you can definitely get smacked if you forget to do that even once so it's pretty hard to justify the risk IMO. An example of cards that can't conceivably be played in your deck would be cards that aren't legal in the relevant format. For example, the Rock/Paper/Scissors cards from Unglued, assuming you're not playing an Un-set tournament at comp REL for some reason. Note also the very next paragraph of the actual infraction definition says: quote:Cards in different sleeves, tokens, and double-faced cards for which substitute cards are being used are ignored when determining deck (not sideboard) legality. There's a reason that parenthetical I've bolded is in there. -- ilmucche posted:Does this mean you can rock up with your expensive RL cards and ask to proxy them under the guise of being "damaged"? If your dog tips your trop in half you can proxy it as long as you have the pieces? Not really - this scenario comes up if a card is damaged beyond playability during the course of the tournament, the TO has an option to issue a proxy for the remainder of the tournament. You can't rock up with unplayably damaged cards from the get-go and then just play with proxies.
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Mezzanon posted:While we’re talking about prohibitively expensive sealed product, does anyone know what a 4th edition two player starter pack goes for nowadays? This was the product that literally got me into MTG. In 1995, when I was seven, my mom bought it for me and my brother when we were at some random store. I played my first game with her and rapidly became hooked. I distinctly remember the glass beads -- I think I still have them somewhere in my childhood bedroom closet.
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My reserved list conspiracy theory is that as well as their public promises, they also made some confidential real contracts with some card stores or collectors or somesuch, like "Person X agrees to buy Y boxes of cards, and Wizards promises to retain the reserve list". I think that's less likely to be thrown out of court than the promissory estoppel thing.
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Aug 13, 2021 11:59
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Qwertycoatl posted:My reserved list conspiracy theory is that as well as their public promises, they also made some confidential real contracts with some card stores or collectors or somesuch, like "Person X agrees to buy Y boxes of cards, and Wizards promises to retain the reserve list". I think that's less likely to be thrown out of court than the promissory estoppel thing.
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Aug 13, 2021 13:46
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The "reverberate is too close to fork" thing leads me to believe there's some party actively pushing for the maintenance of the reserve list, though this could just be Hasbro legal.
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Aug 13, 2021 13:47
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After diving back into Arena after not logging in since Theros I'm honestly a little relieved that Throne of Eldraine is still such a bullshit set that I can casually cruise up to Platinum without opening any new packs
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Aug 13, 2021 15:16
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Re: Mana "tokens", I personally use Pokemon Energy cards(Grass, Fire, Water, Dark, Electric, and Steel), but also do have a Red and Blue(and Storm) token from artist rk post that are nice.
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Aug 13, 2021 15:19
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Opinionated posted:
This is the highest res of Snap I have ever seen, and I STILL can't tell if he is missing his hand and made a bottle gun arm, or if it's just gloved and he put the magic bottle gun on top of it.
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Aug 13, 2021 16:26
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His hand is there, it's just in a glove so it's very dark. You can see the same sleeve higher up on the other arm too. ENHANCE 
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Aug 13, 2021 16:44
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it's just megaman
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hey mom its 420 posted:it's just megaman It's obviously Ken Jeong cosplaying as Megaman.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:33
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Gynovore posted:Fallen Empires was so hilariously overprinted that a nearby LGS was running a sealed box tournament. Yep, that's right, each entrant got an entire box of Fallen Empires to build their deck. I don’t know if that would be enough FE to find 23 playables in one color pair.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:37
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Entropic posted:I don’t know if that would be enough FE to find 23 playables in one color pair. I looked at the card list last night - after black, your best bet is green for Thallid synergies.
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Entropic posted:I don’t know if that would be enough FE to find 23 playables in one color pair. a friend of mine has done this before. Apparently it's 5 color good stuff unless you add in some core set packs. And most of the games end in decking after a 20 minute board stall.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:a friend of mine has done this before. Apparently it's 5 color good stuff unless you add in some core set packs. And most of the games end in decking after a 20 minute board stall. There is almost no removal in the set at all. The closest you get is: Merseine: a claustrophobia aura that can be removed by paying the creature’s casting cost 3 times. Seasinger: a steal effect that only works if the opponent has islands. Rare. Necrite: can sac itself to kill a creature if it gets through unblocked. The only removal in black. Dwarven Catapult: XR to deal X divided evenly among all your opponents’ creatures, rounded down. Thorn Thallid: 1 damage every 3 turns. Goblin Grenade Icatian Javelineers: a one-time deal-1 effect. Homarid Shaman: an overpriced tapper that can only target green creatures. Hand of Justice: actual repeatable removal but it’s a 6 mana rare and requires 3 other white creatures to activate. Actually probably an unbeatable bomb in FE limited.
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Entropic posted:
I thought Fallen Empires didn't even have rares? Or I could be wrong. I remember there was something confusing about how they did rarity sheets
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goferchan posted:I thought Fallen Empires didn't even have rares? Or I could be wrong. I remember there was something confusing about how they did rarity sheets I believe it's just hand of justice and ebon praetor? Which has hilarious old skool magic art, by the way.
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goferchan posted:I thought Fallen Empires didn't even have rares? Or I could be wrong. I remember there was something confusing about how they did rarity sheets It had two rarity levels and each level had two sub-levels. I think. It's been kind of a while.
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Aug 13, 2021 19:48
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It's a super weird set for rarities. They only had commons and uncommons, but some cards would appear more or less frequently on the common and uncommon print sheets so they wound up being different rarities of c/u. The "most uncommon uncommons" are effectively rares. Sort of. What a set. Also booster packs were 8 cards (2 U, 6 C) and the slots would just be randomly filled so you could get a pack with no "rares" or a pack with two.
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Aug 13, 2021 20:38
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A fun draft format would be 1x6th Edition/2xFallen Empires/2xHomelands Garbage Draft
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Silhouette posted:A fun draft format would be 1x6th Edition/2xFallen Empires/2xHomelands Was 6th edition the one that cut Serra Angel "for power concerns" and reprinted Necropotence in the same set 
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