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https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=36cdcb0b-7cfa-4b55-8704-d1f02a9fe6e5 Poll shows Yes Recall winning 51 to 40 among LV, random anti-homeless Youtuber leading the replacements with 27%. Probably a bit of an outlier but lol at Newsom's incompetence.
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JosefStalinator posted:https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=36cdcb0b-7cfa-4b55-8704-d1f02a9fe6e5 paffrath is likely leading this poll because he's the only democrat among the choices offered Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Shear Modulus posted:paffrath is likely leading this poll because he's the only democrat among the choices offered It would be endlessly funny if Newsom narrowly gets recalled, but the GOP vote is so split some random Dem gets in and is even worse than Newsom. Since it's the funniest outcome it's also the most likely, of course.
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JosefStalinator posted:It would be endlessly funny if Newsom narrowly gets recalled, but the GOP vote is so split some random Dem gets in and is even worse than Newsom. yeah it's very possible that this is how it ends up playing out if most no on recall voters decide to vote on question 2 "tactically" by selecting the most "electable" democrat to help prevent a republican from winning. a few articles in the last monthmonth saying that polls find pfaffer leads the recall candidates is probably more that enough to solidify him as the most electable. good thing the california dems were smart enough to not run a backup candidate Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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JosefStalinator posted:https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=36cdcb0b-7cfa-4b55-8704-d1f02a9fe6e5 They went over this in the last Opening Arguments. It looks like there may be something waaaaay off about that poll, since there’s another one that samples literally like the next day and this dude is at 2% or something.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:They went over this in the last Opening Arguments. It looks like there may be something waaaaay off about that poll, since there’s another one that samples literally like the next day and this dude is at 2% or something. do you have a link to this other poll? If that one has more dems to choose from, or they only question yes on recall voters as to what their replacement vote is then the polls aren't really contradictory imo the surveyusa poll posted also says that people who said they would leave question 2 blank were excluded from their denominator, so if "vote for nobody" is a valid choice in the other one that'd also be a big factor in the difference e: i was trying to upload a screenshot of one of the tables but i couldn't get the awful app image uploaded to work. table 4 shows that almost all of paffraf's support comes from democrats and no on recall voters, and among that group he's way ahead of his closest competitor, undecided. Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Shear Modulus posted:do you have a link to this other poll? If that one has more dems to choose from, or they only question yes on recall voters as to what their replacement vote is then the polls aren't really contradictory imo
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JosefStalinator posted:It would be endlessly funny if Newsom narrowly gets recalled, but the GOP vote is so split some random Dem gets in and is even worse than Newsom. There's a lot of interesting data points in that poll, but yeah basically there was only one Democrat option for replacement on Question 4 of the poll, and basically all those identifying as Democrats and about less than half of the independents (after filtering for previous answers to come to "Likely Voters Who Will Vote For a Replacement") chose the only Democrat option for replacement, yet chose 3:1 to vote No on the Recall. Though yes, a majority of Democrats voting for a candidate to replace Gavin Newsom that wants the National Guard to remove the homeless from the streets would be peak 2021.
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The only other poll I've seen recently is this one from late July: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/27x9k5qt They don't ask "who are you voting for," instead asking people to state whether or not they support each candidate, but using that methodology Paffrath is in fifth place behind five Republicans. Also this poll shows No on the recall winning 51-36 among registered voters and 50-47 among likely voters. So still strong support for the enthusiasm gap; the people who plan to vote have a stronger conservative lean and that makes the recall support go way up.
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Shear Modulus posted:do you have a link to this other poll? If that one has more dems to choose from, or they only question yes on recall voters as to what their replacement vote is then the polls aren't really contradictory imo It’s an Emerson poll.
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I wonder how much the enthusiasm gap matters since the state is still planning to do automatic mail-in ballots again. I feel like its a lot easier to fill in something that gets mailed to you ahead of time vs having to actually go out of your way to vote on election day
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It appears they didn't tell people party ID of the candidates in that poll, and that's why Paffrath plummets to virtually zero. No name recognition, so without that D next to his name he's a nonentity.The Glumslinger posted:I wonder how much the enthusiasm gap matters since the state is still planning to do automatic mail-in ballots again. I feel like its a lot easier to fill in something that gets mailed to you ahead of time vs having to actually go out of your way to vote on election day You'd be surprised how many people just let the ballots rot on their kitchen table. Turnout for the 2020 presidential election was all mail-in and turnout still capped out around 80% of registered voters. Which is really high for a presidential election, sure, but you still have 1 in 5 voters statewide that don't bother to fill out the ballot for some reason or another. And then you have to consider that enthusiasm gaps can also effect who is even registered to vote in the first place. If conservatives are more excited to vote then they're more likely to make sure their registration is up to date, etc.
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Aug 12, 2021 00:11
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Hopefully newsom gets recalled and a full communist gets elected in his place because he had a D by his name
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Hopefully newsom gets recalled and a full communist gets elected in his place because he had a D by his name Full communists do not run with a D by their name (if they run at all)
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1426228184874356738 I mean, when has a Dem Senator suddenly dying ever derailed a Dem president's plans before
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1426228184874356738 gently caress, her alzheimers has progressed to the point where she thinks she's in her girlhood and can't understand why people are asking a teenager to step down from her senate seat
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i love my decrepit country ruled with an iron fist by decaying geriatrics with one foot in the grave
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Shear Modulus posted:i love my decrepit country ruled with an iron fist by decaying geriatrics with one foot in the grave avatar/post combo
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Which dem do I vote for on recall question 2? To avoid a republican winning.
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Shear Modulus posted:i love my decrepit country ruled with an iron fist by decaying geriatrics with one foot in the grave I for one am glad the boomers are ransacking the country to death as their last shot out of a lovely sociopathic selfish roman candle.
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Boat Stuck posted:Which dem do I vote for on recall question 2? To avoid a republican winning. Literally none of them, vote for this goon instead: Canasta_Nasty posted:Ask me anything about being a socialist on the ballot
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:avatar/post combo Today's American political class, particularly the party leadership and particularly particularly the party leaders that have total control of their parties like Biden, Pelosi, and McConnell is as old or older than the Soviet gerontocracy of the 70s or 80s lol Boat Stuck posted:Which dem do I vote for on recall question 2? To avoid a republican winning. There isn't one because the California Dems leaned on every Dem with any profile to stay out of the race so that every Dem voter would be motivated to vote no on recall as an anti-Republican vote. The only Dem who's ever cracked like 5% in a single poll is the anti-homeless youtuber that we were talking about earlier on this page. If you want to specifically help block Larry Elder then your best tactical vote is probably John Cox. Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Aug 13, 2021 |
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Boat Stuck posted:Which dem do I vote for on recall question 2? To avoid a republican winning. It's a simple majority so there is no strategic voting. Your vote for a joker will only prevent a terrible republican from winning if that joker ends up with the most votes. I suppose it might make the optics more embarrassing for the terrible republican because they will win with a smaller percentage of the vote, but that is all. Anyway, vote for the socialist goon if you don't like the idea of leaving #2 blank.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1426228184874356738
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Something that is particularly striking is the leading Democratic candidate, Paffrath, and the leading Republican, Elder, are in complete agreement on no mask or vaccine mandates and no more lockdowns. When it comes to the pandemic it's just let 'er rip. Honestly everyone should look at Paffrath's page. It's a liberal manchild discovering he actually kind of likes fascism. The solution to homelessness is having the national guard round them up "humanely." The solution to crime is greatly expanding police presence on every corner without "overpolicing." Not to mention we need to use prison labor in our communities so that prisoners give back to society instead of just taking by being incarcerated. The solution to traffic is more toll roads and building tunnels under freeways. As a teacher his plan for business directed school curriculum makes me shudder: This US history class sponsored by Amazon posted:Consider This: Instead of guessing what businesses need, businesses, unions, governments, and non-profits of all sizes will work with our Future Schools to share with our teachers exactly what they are looking for in students. He's even reinvented the fascist conception of corporatism under a führer. Original idea do not steal posted:California needs a governor who will combine the best resources of all businesses, unions, non-profits, and government agencies to work TOGETHER to make a better California - presently, businesses, unions, non-profits, and government agencies often work against each other rather than in tandem (just look at how our homeless crisis continues to get worse through fragmentation). We need a strong leader. Long story short, vote for me. http://socialism2021.com/
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When does this vote happen? New to California (from Seattle) and just applied for me DL with voter registration requested); do I get to play in this, and where do I start reading up on it?
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PageMaster posted:When does this vote happen? New to California (from Seattle) and just applied for me DL with voter registration requested); do I get to play in this, and where do I start reading up on it? Election Day is September 14th.
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PageMaster posted:When does this vote happen? New to California (from Seattle) and just applied for me DL with voter registration requested); do I get to play in this, and where do I start reading up on it? https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/upcoming-elections/2021-ca-gov-recall FAQ https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/upcoming-elections/2021-ca-gov-recall/newsom-recall-faqs Theoretically you should get a ballot in the mail. Here's the ballot tracker: https://california.ballottrax.net/voter/ If you don't get one via mail, then you'll need to go to a voting center, on or around election day. Your city or county (depending on where you live) will have an election website with info on what voting centers are open. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 13, 2021 |
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Something that is particularly striking is the leading Democratic candidate, Paffrath, and the leading Republican, Elder, are in complete agreement on no mask or vaccine mandates and no more lockdowns. When it comes to the pandemic it's just let 'er rip. Do you have your actual policy proposals up somewhere? For example, if public labor unions reject a vaccine mandate, will you use the national guard against labor to force vaccinations?
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https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1426589024584613891 It's funny how Republicans keep getting tripped up by this one incredibly basic question.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Honestly everyone should look at Paffrath's page. It's a liberal manchild discovering he actually kind of likes fascism. The solution to homelessness is having the national guard round them up "humanely." The solution to crime is greatly expanding police presence on every corner without "overpolicing." Not to mention we need to use prison labor in our communities so that prisoners give back to society instead of just taking by being incarcerated. The solution to traffic is more toll roads and building tunnels under freeways. As a teacher his plan for business directed school curriculum makes me shudder: I guess this explains why you're not listed with a party and have no platform on your site about how you're going to work with these evil liberals that the rest of the government is composed of. So no.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1426589024584613891 And yet they're rapidly approaching monopoly control over all levers of power.
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Zachack posted:Do you have your actual policy proposals up somewhere? For example, if public labor unions reject a vaccine mandate, will you use the national guard against labor to force vaccinations? Read my statement on halting school reopenings for more details on my policies. "Halt the reopening of schools in California! posted:Whatever their tactical differences, both big business parties insist that public health be subordinated to corporate profits. Reopening schools to in-person education is central to ruling class efforts to keep workers on the job pumping out profits, which is essential in keeping the stock market booming. Even amid the mass death over the past year and a half, the fortunes of the capitalist oligarchs have increased to new records, with the wealth of billionaires like Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg and Larry Ellison doubling or more during the pandemic... Actually eliminating transmission of COVID-19 requires a mutli-layered approach. Vaccines alone are insufficient, but combined with masks, lockdowns to reduce transmission, contact tracing, and quarantines they can be very effective. Moreover if you approach minimzing the pandemic from a bunch of different angles it relieves the pressure to get 100% compliance on every measure which seems to be where the odd question about deploying the national guard to force vaccinations is coming from. So far there has been bipartisan agreement to throw everything open regardless of transmission levels with the widely acknowledged result that children should expect to get infected and workers should expect the pandemic to keep killing people for years if not decades. Okan170 posted:I guess this explains why you're not listed with a party and have no platform on your site about how you're going to work with these evil liberals that the rest of the government is composed of. So no. If your complaint is that I'm not a Democrat  I do not hide that I am on a completely different side than both Democrats and Republicans. If you think the Democrats have been doing a good job of running the state then I am not the candidate for you. The goal of my campaign is not to swing in for some backroom deal acceptable to the very same politicians that have overseen the growth of inequality, the gutting of public education, and the disastrous pandemic response. My appeal is to workers who are tired of compromising their rights for the sake of Bezos and Musk's fortunes. "Halt the reopening of schools in California! posted:The recall of Newsom is driven by right-wing forces thoroughly hostile to the working class. For this reason, the SEP calls for a “no” vote on the recall. However, the entire situation, in California and nationally, demonstrates that the Democratic Party is a party of Wall Street. Stopping the pandemic requires the intervention of the working class through mass struggle and an independent political movement directed at the entire capitalist system. If that's not your jam, good luck.
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I’m still gonna vote for you but genuinely, if we’re shutting down schools, just shut them down. Teaching online is absolutely the worst thing I’ve ever done and I do not know how it can be done well, no matter how much cash there is.
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I felt back in 2020 that we should have just skipped a year and given students a long vacation rather than cobbling together some remote learning solution.
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I understand the sentiment and last year teaching was something of a nightmare. It gave me flashbacks to my first year on an emergency credential with no experience when I was thrown into an SDC. But at least where I've been teaching, a lot of families depend on schools to help them access social services. Throughout last school year we were distributing meals, helping families get vaccinated, directing parents on where to get support for housing or escape domestic violence situations, etc. I deeply oppose the demand that teachers do all this social work while administrators hound them for "rigorous academics." Given the intensity of the social crisis around the pandemic, I'd much rather academics take a back seat for the 5-6 weeks we'd need to lock down.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:No, I'd be hard pressed to think of a single public health problem improved by pointing guns at it. Your school proposals show similar lack of detail. "A massive allocation of resources to ensure high-quality remote education and child care for all children affected." How are the resources allocated - through local county programs or directly by the state? What about rural schools in areas with poor internet? What exactly is high-quality remote education and does it require the state to purchase hardware for students or will it be a voucher system? Etc etc. Schools are opening right now so this isn't something you can figure out after you get elected, you need to have a lot of the details worked out now. Your statement page spends less than 20% saying what your policy on schools actually is and 80%+ of time time complaining and saying things like quote:Absolutely no confidence can be placed in the trade unions, which have demonstrated that they are nothing more than the bought-and-paid-for representatives of the ruling class.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:No, I'd be hard pressed to think of a single public health problem improved by pointing guns at it. Someone's gotta weld the doors shut, and discourage armed fascists from storming the capital in response to an effective lockdown. Might as well use the CA national guard to protect people instead of windows.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:No, I'd be hard pressed to think of a single public health problem improved by pointing guns at it. This is an excellent grift you've got. Bravo! Obviously I could never vote for you or any candidates of your "socialist" party because I'm pro-union. That said, I am just really impressed at how you've described yourself and avoided posting any platform despite like 4 or so requests and instead just posting links to your party's donation page which looks like it is not even a donation page to your campaign in particular but rather just a straight up donation page to your party. Your scam is pretty loving good man. I bet you will never even get a probe despite the fact that you are posting links for donations that will not actually be going to where you are implying they are going. fermun fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Aug 15, 2021 |
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