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he was moving well and looked like macho man up until probably about 1999 i thought. but i am sifting through the thoughts of a child
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Didn't Macho actually do a lot of house shows with Flair that picked up business in WCW? I know the bigger guys definitely didn't do many house shows once the nWo period kicked into high gear. He could definitely still go for a few more years. It seems like it would have been better to pull him off regular touring even sooner and give him a new finisher since the elbow drop killed his hip. I swear every weekly TV report in 1999 is Macho crushing another guy's windpipe or chest by landing with full force on his opponent (instead of his hip)
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Macho was good post WWF for me up until the NWO split, I remember him having good TV main events also Vince was dumb to let him go and take his Slim Jim deal with him
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I think Savage could've been used really well to put Bret, Shawn and others over before being shuffled down to commentary (I believe he offered to do so but Vince turned him down?). He was still over, which meant he was a precious commodity in the New Generation. I think WCW did a big WCW number on him: his booking was mostly bad, and the toxic environment could not have been good for someone who was as abusive and self-destructive as he was. That story of security being given the tasks of keeping him away from Liz and away from coke and being told that "you will fail at one of these tasks" is just grim. Some of the Flair matches in WCW are pretty good, but others are just really really disappointing given the talent involved.
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he was a huge star that moved business and mindshare for wcw it's crazy to care about whether he could work matches
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Super No Vacancy posted:he was a huge star that moved business and mindshare for wcw it's crazy to care about whether he could work matches Yeah, actually working matches is way less important than keeping him happy and drawing for you. Especially in the WWF. ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY in the 1990s.
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Given the way Randy liked to lay out matches even if he was limited in 93 he probably still could do fun matches especially with Brett or Shawn.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I think Savage could've been used really well to put Bret, Shawn and others over before being shuffled down to commentary (I believe he offered to do so but Vince turned him down?). He was still over, which meant he was a precious commodity in the New Generation. I think WCW did a big WCW number on him: his booking was mostly bad, and the toxic environment could not have been good for someone who was as abusive and self-destructive as he was. That story of security being given the tasks of keeping him away from Liz and away from coke and being told that "you will fail at one of these tasks" is just grim. This seems doubly weird when Hogan just bailed without putting Bret (or even Yokozuna, really) over at all. Having Savage put over the guys you listed would have at least been some sort of torch passing, seems weird to pass on it. Then again, if Hulk is the one who came calling to patch things up with Macho and talk about all the money he could make in the main events at WCW, that's really hard to pass up. The 1999-2000 newsletters always mention that Savage was gauging interest from other promotions and WWF had none, but it was presented in the same context as them having no interest in Nash, Luger, or any other high paid guys who would disrupt the locker room unity and pay scale. Never mentioned any particular animosity or "I WILL NOT WORK WITH THAT MAN" stuff at the time Tato fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Aug 13, 2021 |
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Aug 13, 2021 18:28
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TL posted:I kinda think Vince wasn't entirely wrong for trying to move Savage into an announcing/occasional wrestler role. His body might not have been broken down, but I'm struggling to think of any really good matches he had in WCW-maybe a couple with Flair? I think he was pretty clearly on the downswing as a worker and he'd best have been used in the role Vince saw him in. He had a big hand in helping make DDP
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Aug 13, 2021 18:35
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smikey posted:Didn't matter. Vince is always right, in his own mind. Vince would rather lose money on his idea than make money with someone else's. What was the quote, Hogan made Vince a millionaire, Austin made him a billionaire, then Vince made himself a millionaire?
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Tato posted:Didn't Macho actually do a lot of house shows with Flair that picked up business in WCW? I know the bigger guys definitely didn't do many house shows once the nWo period kicked into high gear. I do seem to recall Macho was having not just house show matches but really good ones, yeah.
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savage vs ddp carried a ppv with no world title match on the card.
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Yeah, Savage didn't really go to poo poo until very late in his run when his hip exploded. He was fine until then
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TL posted:I kinda think Vince wasn't entirely wrong for trying to move Savage into an announcing/occasional wrestler role. His body might not have been broken down, but I'm struggling to think of any really good matches he had in WCW-maybe a couple with Flair? I think he was pretty clearly on the downswing as a worker and he'd best have been used in the role Vince saw him in. Do you really think Vince cared about his match quality? Vincent Kennedy McMahon? He just assumed he was going to stop being a draw because he was "old", which was clearly loving dumb. Hell, even if you think he was done surely you use what's left of his star power to put over this New Generation but Savage's last televised WWF match was the Falls Count Anywhere win over Crush at WM X. Hell, his last major singles loss on TV was in September '92, dropping the World Title back to Flair, who dropped it to Bret because they didn't want to do a face vs face title swap.
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Manwithastick posted:if AEW doesn't have CM Punk on tv next week, how bad would it hurt the company? Short term not much, medium-long term? Probably pretty badly.
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They already have crowds hijacking segments with CM Punk chants, they probably don't want to keep going down that road
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What are my legal options to watch AEW in Finland? I don't think they've sold the local rights to anyone, so they're probably same as any other [generic EU country].
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Kennel posted:What are my legal options to watch AEW in Finland? Is the Fite.tv app an option? I just AEW+ and that means I can watch the Dynamite and Rampage shows the next day in good quality
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Kennel posted:What are my legal options to watch AEW in Finland? Click here: https://www.fite.tv/join/aew-plus/ If it doesn't say it's not available in your country on top (and lets you purchase it) that's probably the best way to do it.
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Thanks guys, started a free trial and works fine.
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Seams posted:I googled around a bit and it looks like he said it in the leadup to Survivor Series 97, which means it might've been a reference to the 'Age in the Cage' WCW match from Halloween Havoc 97. Yeah, I always took it as a dig at Hogan and Piper, because I remembered them squabbling over which of them was the real "Icon." 
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Cavauro posted:he was moving well and looked like macho man up until probably about 1999 i thought. but i am sifting through the thoughts of a child Tato posted:Didn't Macho actually do a lot of house shows with Flair that picked up business in WCW? I know the bigger guys definitely didn't do many house shows once the nWo period kicked into high gear. Hedgehog Pie posted:I think Savage could've been used really well to put Bret, Shawn and others over before being shuffled down to commentary (I believe he offered to do so but Vince turned him down?). He was still over, which meant he was a precious commodity in the New Generation. I think WCW did a big WCW number on him: his booking was mostly bad, and the toxic environment could not have been good for someone who was as abusive and self-destructive as he was. That story of security being given the tasks of keeping him away from Liz and away from coke and being told that "you will fail at one of these tasks" is just grim. What's the source of the security story? That's a new one for me.
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You've never heard the story about new WWF hires being told their backstage job was to watch Savage, and that they were to prevent him abusing Elizabeth, and prevent him from doing cocaine, and then being told "You will fail at one of these tasks."
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davidbix posted:
Michaels vs Savage with Sherri caught in the middle would have been money.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:He had a big hand in helping make DDP I remember really enjoying the handful of matches they had, but I haven't gone back and watched them in years.
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Zombie Lemur posted:I remember really enjoying the handful of matches they had, but I haven't gone back and watched them in years. I wonder if that's where Page got his tendency to want every bit of the match plotted from.
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Dawgstar posted:I wonder if that's where Page got his tendency to want every bit of the match plotted from. Nah, he already was doing it, it's why he and Savage worked so well together, they'd lay everything out.
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Davros1 posted:You've never heard the story about new WWF hires being told their backstage job was to watch Savage, and that they were to prevent him abusing Elizabeth, and prevent him from doing cocaine, and then being told "You will fail at one of these tasks." Pretty sure that story was from a goon who said his dad used to work security and was told that.
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https://twitter.com/dustinrhodes/status/1425537871474266112 We had a tournament for this that never finished due to some horrible horrible troll ruining it, but as it stood at the time who has left in the tournament and was this outcome seeming like the correct one or someone else still in the tournament?
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Davros1 posted:You've never heard the story about new WWF hires being told their backstage job was to watch Savage, and that they were to prevent him abusing Elizabeth, and prevent him from doing cocaine, and then being told "You will fail at one of these tasks." And someone had a darkly funny joke that went something like, "Well that's Vince's fault for putting Liz and the coke on opposite sides of the arena."
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smikey posted:Nah, he already was doing it, it's why he and Savage worked so well together, they'd lay everything out. Yeah, Page was meticulously going over tape of his matches from the moment he debuted in the ring with WCW. Foley and Austin apparently used to bust his balls about it.
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Kennel posted:What are my legal options to watch AEW in Finland? Yep been watching via FITE all this time here in good ol Finland. Not without issues because FITE sucks, but Plus is a good deal and I’ll suffer FITE for it
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a cyborg mug posted:Yep been watching via FITE all this time here in good ol Finland. Not without issues because FITE sucks, but Plus is a good deal and I’ll suffer FITE for it  or a VPN or anything like that is really nice.
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Davros1 posted:You've never heard the story about new WWF hires being told their backstage job was to watch Savage, and that they were to prevent him abusing Elizabeth, and prevent him from doing cocaine, and then being told "You will fail at one of these tasks."
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Lid posted:https://twitter.com/dustinrhodes/status/1425537871474266112 You're thinking of the Worst Gimmick tournament, the "best wrestlers to never win gold" one ended properly https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3947323 Akira Hokuto beat out Owen Hart in the final, with Brodie Lee and Hirooki Goto as the runners-up. Dustin Rhodes was nominated but didn't get far in the tournament. By his own admission, drug/weight problems torpedoed his chances at ever being a top guy. (Also even in the 90s, Goldust just was never a viable main event gimmick) Benne fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Goto got further than Ishii?  At least he beat that dork SANADA
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jesus WEP posted:google interview question: you have to transport randy savage, miss elizabeth, and a kilogram of cocaine across a river on your boat 
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Gaz-L posted:Goto got further than Ishii? The argument was that Ishii was the better wrestler but Goto was a better potential top champion iirc
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