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i hope america just immediately recognizes the islamic emirate of afghanistan and we just immediately memory hole 2001-2021
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Aug 14, 2021 19:37
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Chillgamesh posted:This is kind of a dumb question but what is the organizational structure of the Taliban actually like?
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Aug 14, 2021 19:46
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sleep with the vicious posted:Could even a slight majority of the crying American liberals name more than 3 cities in Afghanistan, or name all of the countries it borders. Certainly not, but they know this is a moral disaster because moralizing imperial adventures is like one of the libs' top 10 hobbies
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Aug 14, 2021 19:48
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Al-Saqr posted:America asks taliban to let them evacuate:- im not owned
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Aug 14, 2021 19:50
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Al-Saqr posted:America asks taliban to let them evacuate:- begging and pleading like please don't dynamite the US embassy after you capture it.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:51
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Chillgamesh posted:This is kind of a dumb question but what is the organizational structure of the Taliban actually like? This paper describes a fusion monarchist/feudalist system derived from Islamic tradition that specifically abhors a professional managerial class:     Honestly, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable reaction to Western-imposed "democracy."
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Aug 14, 2021 19:51
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Honestly, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable reaction to Western-imposed "democracy." We can see what western fed corrupt central government produced over the last 20 years... Outright theft on a grand scale with everything from the central government military to the civil service organization being a disaster of mismanagement, corruption and a culture of kickbacks being the standard way to do business.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:54
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The Oldest Man posted:Biden's going to be remembered as Jimmy Carter v2 and you know what that means C-SPAM having to wrestle with the realization that Biden is good???
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Aug 14, 2021 19:55
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Gazpacho posted:The top institution of the Taliban is the Rahbari Shura (leadership council) based in Pakistan and overseen by Mawlawis or religious experts. The Rahbari Shura elects the Commander of the Faithful to carry out its policies and the Commander appoints shadow governors for each province who are now becoming governors in fact. So basically a bunch of high-ranking religious officials make all the decisions. Sucks. Not saying it's anyone's place to do anything about it other than the people of Afghanistan though of course. You would think after twenty years of abject failure people would see through the lie that the US can just kill everyone in their way and buy off the survivors but it's obvious from the tenor of mass media at the moment that the establishment is still desperately clinging to it.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:55
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Lol if you think Hollywood won't gleefully produce "Firebase Wolfhound" for as long as chuds and their progeny are willing to pay for that poo poo. There was actually a relative dearth of Middle Eastern war films during the 2000s. The Fox News crowd was mad that Hollywood was seemingly unwilling to portray Muslims as villains. There was some jingoistic movies like Act of Valor (2012, post-Bin Laden, Obama-era lol) or the Michael Bay Benghazi one, but for the most part a lot of them were anti-(Iraq) war and had a lot of "both sides bad" handwringing. I don't think that ever changed.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:58
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They make decisions in consultation with other interested (male) parties.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:59
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Chillgamesh posted:This is kind of a dumb question but what is the organizational structure of the Taliban actually like? They have a sort of quasidemocratic system of councils that run things. Nowadays anyway. The OG Taliban was run almost like the government in Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy, where you had this weird hermit living in a shack who was the leader, but none of the leaders since the ol cyclops bit it have had the same authority, so the council is more important than whoever the current Emir is. Previously the Taliban was almost entirely Pashtun, but they've made a pretty humongous effort to become a pan-afghan organization and have been cramming minorities into the council and other leadership positions. It's kind of hard to say how all this is going to translate into a formal government. Probably badly. If they're smart they'll delegate power to local leaders instead of trying to run everything top down like the American puppet government or Omar's Taliban.
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Maximo Roboto posted:There was actually a relative dearth of Middle Eastern war films during the 2000s. The Fox News crowd was mad that Hollywood was seemingly unwilling to portray Muslims as villains. There was some jingoistic movies like Act of Valor (2012, post-Bin Laden, Obama-era lol) or the Michael Bay Benghazi one, but for the most part a lot of them were anti-(Iraq) war and had a lot of "both sides bad" handwringing. I don't think that ever changed. American Sniper . Like how the evil Islam caricature guy was dressed in all black.
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Al-Saqr posted:The Taliban can now operate Military Choppers:- "this is like when the velociraptor learned to open doors!" -lots of racist assholes rn
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Aug 14, 2021 20:01
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https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1426614380339290117 finally
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So it's less a bunch of religious dudes sitting in a smoky room making decisions and more a bunch of regional leaders trying to reach a consensus based on what the groups they respectively represent want
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Aug 14, 2021 20:02
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lmao Kabul will fall by the end of the month, if not in the next week or 2 at this rate...
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Aug 14, 2021 20:04
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oh my god I just remembered that Ayman Al Zwahiri is still alive
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Chillgamesh posted:So it's less a bunch of religious dudes sitting in a smoky room making decisions and more a bunch of regional leaders trying to reach a consensus based on what the groups they respectively represent want While actively shuffling the civil service to keep people from getting to used to the power and privilege of office. Edit: seems like a nod to established tribal authority that the middle manage shuffle doesn't apply to the shura council. Chef Boyardeez Nuts has issued a correction as of 20:08 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Aug 14, 2021 20:05
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etalian posted:lmao Kabul will fall by the end of the month, if not in the next week or 2 at this rate... It really doesn't seem like it will take that long. Sounds more like a matter of days.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:08
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the taliban are going to single handily solve the opiate problem in the USA
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https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1426608861889314820 https://twitter.com/bungdan/status/1426613196111024133
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So is it better or worse if the Taliban come into Kabul and the US embassy is an empty shell? I guess no matter what, people will say we ran away and Taliban will probably have some disturbing celebration on 9/11. I can’t imagine the Taliban would actually want US hostages (and give the US no option but to come back with more force and start everything all over again), but I’m not going to pretend to be an expert here.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:14
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The repeated mantra of "Obedience to the Amir" just gave me the funny vision of an Afghan Shogunate.
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Fame Douglas posted:It really doesn't seem like it will take that long. Sounds more like a matter of days. Month? Days? Start using hours. Double digit hours most likely once America, UK, Canada and Australia evacuate embassy staff and military trainers leftover for the ANA.
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what are ya some kind of loving shitlib? gently caress oooofffffff loving acting like 9/11 is so much more worse than coalition forces invading and occupying another loving country for 20 years and bombing entire families out of existence a country that and people that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 Agrajag has issued a correction as of 20:19 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:This paper describes a fusion monarchist/feudalist system derived from Islamic tradition that specifically abhors a professional managerial class: Somehow missed this post while replying to Gazpacho. Why has the amir been losing relevance in the way the government is run though? Is the shura council just choosing to be less deferential? It seems like whoever the amir is would naturally gain more power and influence given the emphasis they've put on keeping the council humble.
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https://twitter.com/bsarwary/status/1426624176073367554?s=21 general dostum lived pretty large
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lmao at the us official a couple of days ago who said kabul could fall within 90 days when at this rate it won’t even last 90 hours
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Chillgamesh posted:Somehow missed this post while replying to Gazpacho. Why has the amir been losing relevance in the way the government is run though? Is the shura council just choosing to be less deferential? It seems like whoever the amir is would naturally gain more power and influence given the emphasis they've put on keeping the council humble. the people who are actually doing the work of governance are inevitably going to accrue more influence than some dude who is technically in charge
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Eric Cantonese posted:I guess no matter what, people will say we ran away and Taliban will probably have some disturbing celebration on 9/11. they will dance on the rooftops
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Chillgamesh posted:This is kind of a dumb question but what is the organizational structure of the Taliban actually like? Hahahahahahaha what a stupid question
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Bideo James posted:the taliban are going to single handily solve the opiate problem in the USA If I was Afghanistan or China I would increase the supply of opiates and make lots of sick burns about the 19th century
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Comrade Koba posted:lmao at the us official a couple of days ago who said kabul could fall within 90 days when at this rate it won’t even last 90 hours Those triple digit billions per year in intelligence black budgets really paying off
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Chillgamesh posted:Somehow missed this post while replying to Gazpacho. Why has the amir been losing relevance in the way the government is run though? Is the shura council just choosing to be less deferential? It seems like whoever the amir is would naturally gain more power and influence given the emphasis they've put on keeping the council humble. being a guerilla force and not a governing body, and dying every few years. Also Omar was basically a mythical creature. A lovely rear end in a top hat who ruled through the whip, but an extremely charismatic figure with a heroic mystique about him.
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Aug 14, 2021 20:29
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etalian posted:American Sniper . Oh right I forgot, that and Zero Dark Thirty were the big examples
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Mister Bates posted:the people who are actually doing the work of governance are inevitably going to accrue more influence than some dude who is technically in charge Zedhe Khoja posted:being a guerilla force and not a governing body, and dying every few years. Also Omar was basically a mythical creature. A lovely rear end in a top hat who ruled through the whip, but an extremely charismatic figure with a heroic mystique about him. So the amir became irrelevant by virtue of his distance from the process of actually governing. That makes sense. Terror Sweat posted:Hahahahahahaha what a stupid question gently caress you bitch how else am i gonna learn
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