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lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020


lmao

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lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

just finished re-reading liberalism: a counter history and its def still a banger. losurdo is more relevant than ever, i think

edit: i WAS going to post the epub verso gave me when i bought it, but its got my real name/email address all over it, rip.

I'm slowly getting through it. it's good and all, but 340 pages to say libs have bullshit justification for their self serving double standards means a lot of redundancy

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Verso stable is putting out bangers
https://twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal/status/1425809627447500815?s=20
https://twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal/status/1426450224172736518?s=20

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


It Takes a Honky

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 215 days!

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Or else you're obviously racist--
Why do you hate brown people?

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

so if im getting this right

she imagined a leftist western guy who are making the point that the taliban (and modi?) are anti-imperialist

so it's necessary that she replies that the taliban is a product of american imperialism

and thus afghanistan shouldn't be left to its fate. that's actually racism

???

she's giving off massive "im actually very smart" vibes.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

R. Mute posted:

so if im getting this right

she imagined a leftist western guy who are making the point that the taliban (and modi?) are anti-imperialist

so it's necessary that she replies that the taliban is a product of american imperialism

and thus afghanistan shouldn't be left to its fate. that's actually racism

???

she's giving off massive "im actually very smart" vibes.

You should check out the brain geniuses in the replies.

https://twitter.com/MelAnthony15/status/1426542233390489607?s=20
https://twitter.com/MelAnthony15/status/1426669838823411713?s=20

https://twitter.com/holski_beat/status/1426637833738100746?s=20
https://twitter.com/holski_beat/status/1426641644179365889?s=20

It really is an absolute mystery what they think their loving point is, though. What is the existing Afghanistani Left that we're supposed to be supporting in lieu of the Taliban or NATO? These kind of arguments came up all the time from the brain dead academic "left" during the middle stages of the Syrian Civil War too. Allegedly there was some kind of real leftist opposition to "support" that could take over the country.

It's pure ideological infantilism. It's ignoring actually existing material and social conditions in an effort to score points against posting enemies. They can't even make this argument while clarifying who the Afghan Taliban is apparently an imperialist agent of. Pakistan? Bruh, come on.

It's moralistic whining.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010


i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's pure ideological infantilism. It's ignoring actually existing material and social conditions in an effort to score points against posting enemies

-KROPOOPKIN, Pener

this is an incredibly good summary of most of the poo poo in what goes for leftist discourse, especially in places like twitter

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

I have some disagreements with the Taliban but defeating the USA makes them good, on balance, imo.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

evilpicard posted:

I have some disagreements with the Taliban but defeating the USA makes them good, on balance, imo.

I support the workers and the peasants movement of the Afghani CIA against taliban imperialists

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

I wish the taliban and iran would embrace the world bank and stop being racist terrorists

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Centrist Committee posted:

I support the workers and the peasants movement of the Afghani CIA against taliban imperialists

This isn't the anarchism thread

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

I don't support either side but this Vietnam situation is good for a laugh

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

i didn't realize the leon sedov brigade was here

the unabonger
Jun 21, 2009

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i 100% support the taliban in their struggle against american imperialism

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy


Michael Ellman's "Socialist Planning" is testing my patience

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



The disaster part is particularly funny considering, uh *gestures around*

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Okay, I tried to stick with it for a few more pages, but this guy doesn't even believe that a planned economy is possible. I give up. Finding something else to read.

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





I sure am glad I live in a society where the ruling class doesn't impose its will on society, thereby logicking itself completely out of existence.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



gradenko_2000 posted:

Okay, I tried to stick with it for a few more pages, but this guy doesn't even believe that a planned economy is possible. I give up. Finding something else to read.
Cockshott has a couple of books if you're looking for something in that vein. I started How the World Works but got distracted a couple chapters in. I've heard good things about Towards a New Socialism but haven't read it.

Serf
May 5, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:



Michael Ellman's "Socialist Planning" is testing my patience

when he talks about the "decline in labor productivity in cuba in the 1960s" is he referring to how the revolutionaries no long worked people to the bone in the sugar production process?

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

I sure am glad I live in a society where the ruling class doesn't impose its will on society, thereby logicking itself completely out of existence.

You should be, otherwise your society would have been affected by the crisis of 1931-3 and 1979-80!

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

Okay, I tried to stick with it for a few more pages, but this guy doesn't even believe that a planned economy is possible. I give up. Finding something else to read.

loving lol who is the author

economic planning is a solvable computational problem, private companies do planning what the gently caress is wrong with these people

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

dead gay comedy forums posted:

loving lol who is the author

economic planning is a solvable computational problem, private companies do planning what the gently caress is wrong with these people

Michael Ellman. Like, I'm not beyond reading things that are critical of the USSR, and the previous book I read about the Soviet planned economy was that, but I sort of have to draw the line at Robert Conquest-level poo poo.

I switched to a biography of Deng Xiaoping instead.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
Suggestions on where to start with Gramsci, or does it matter?

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Started reading The State and Revolution and wow Lenin was a catty bitch. Page 1 and he's spent half of it explaining Engels and the other half taking potshots at rivals.

It's my favorite Marxist text partly for this reason

Deified Data has issued a correction as of 17:28 on Aug 17, 2021

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Deified Data posted:

Suggestions on where to start with Gramsci, or does it matter?

seconding, tried this once but it bounced off me

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

gramsci's big thing is the prison notebooks but they're pretty huge. probably the most relevant ones to today would be his Cultural Writings

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Deified Data posted:

Suggestions on where to start with Gramsci, or does it matter?

Centrist Committee posted:

seconding, tried this once but it bounced off me

go for losurdo instead

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