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UnfortunateSexFart posted:Monthly Vancouver real estate update. Just some student selling his house for $40 million, nothing to see here This is, of course, causing runaway housing inflation in college towns.
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jaynes said that they didnt have consciousness yet. its more probable that they didnt have certain methods of theory of mind yet. almost certainly they did have a much more immediate point of view on religion than us and religion worked to organize life a lot better for them than for us, where our religions are complete fuckin jokes at it and mostly comprise a way for pedos to get positions diddling children
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Last year, or this year, there was some research that Stonehenge was actually looted from somewhere in Ireland. Like, taken and moved. Putting rocks on top of other rocks seems easy enough in comparison. I've seen this and also that the development of henges in general is somehow related to a widespread cultural meshing process -- like the physical cultural artifacts around those isles increasingly become more similar as if it's some kind of mutual unification or imposed domination kind of thing? There's the different stones of different kinds that are glommed together, and they busted open and did carbon analysis on human teeth showing that people in the graves came from all over the place. It's absolutely plausible to me that the perfidious anglos were even then up to no good, though. 
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bob dobbs is dead posted:jaynes said that they didnt have consciousness yet. its more probable that they didnt have certain methods of theory of mind yet. almost certainly they did have a much more immediate point of view on religion than us and religion worked to organize life a lot better for them than for us, where our religions are complete fuckin jokes at it and mostly comprise a way for pedos to get positions diddling children "Ancient people weren't conscious" is a profoundly stupid take, made worse by the fact that it's stolen from snow crash. Have better takes rear end in a top hat
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My ball sack is more bicameral than any brain that ever lived
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tokin opposition posted:"Ancient people weren't conscious" is a profoundly stupid take, made worse by the fact that it's stolen from snow crash. Have better takes rear end in a top hat Jaynes got around this by defining consciousness very specifically as the ability to introspect, which is a lot harder to prove people had back then. Except there's evidence that people did, in fact, have the ability to introspect, so whoops. Also his theory pre-dates snow crash by like 10 years so if anything snow crash stole it from him.
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Shame Boy posted:Jaynes got around this by defining consciousness very specifically as the ability to introspect, which is a lot harder to prove people had back then. Except there's evidence that people did, in fact, have the ability to introspect, so whoops. Lol. No human being has ever been sexually fulfilled, by which I mean given quintriple digit orgasms by me on a Tuesday in Antarctica. A take that poo poo belongs to snow crash, your temporal fascism nonwithstanding
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tokin opposition posted:"Ancient people weren't conscious" is a profoundly stupid take, made worse by the fact that it's stolen from snow crash. Have better takes rear end in a top hat i mean, you cant actually believe jaynes but there are lots of parts of the modern and hypermodern mind which are basically enabled and technological in nature. nature of the modern memory depends hard on literacy and you get a vastly different take on memory from illiterate peeps forex we dont have an example of religion actually working to hold a society together above like 25% literacy rate, to be frank bob dobbs is dead has issued a correction as of 17:31 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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SniperWoreConverse posted:There is evidence of a multiple henge system of monuments. Woodhenge was discovered in 1929. Other circles and other kinds of roads and paths between them and the river and burial mounds have been found as well. this guy thinks they all line up or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chOFFVawhNA
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In 6 months America allies with the Taliban in exchange for some nice juicy defense contracts
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I seem to recall that the appeal of the AK was originally status symbols from when they were at war with the Soviets. The coolest of the cool kids always display an AKS 74u because it was the gun helicopter pilots and commandos had so if you had one that made you a bad rear end. I guess theres also a lot of ammo for the american guns free for the taking also but I think the status symbol concept still holds true
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I'm pretty sure the AK was the rifle to get because it doesn't need constant care like the american poo poo and that it's the honda civic of the gun world in that there's a loving billion of them and the ammo is readily available also you can shoot it when it's covered in dust, mud, et al
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Slotducks posted:I'm pretty sure the AK was the rifle to get because it doesn't need constant care like the american poo poo and that it's the honda civic of the gun world in that there's a loving billion of them and the ammo is readily available also you can shoot it when it's covered in dust, mud, et al ya no thats just dumb bullshit
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Guns are penis extenders and do not need to exist, like penises
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Slotducks posted:I'm pretty sure the AK was the rifle to get because it doesn't need constant care like the american poo poo and that it's the honda civic of the gun world in that there's a loving billion of them and the ammo is readily available also you can shoot it when it's covered in dust, mud, et al the ar design handles mud much better than the ak
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well gently caress me i guess i was susceptible to glorious soviet union marketing tactics
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500 good dogs posted:wow do u want me to delete my post
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tokin opposition posted:Guns are penis extenders and do not need to exist, like penises My trans wife owns several, explain that science 
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i mean, you cant actually believe jaynes but there are lots of parts of the modern and hypermodern mind which are basically enabled and technological in nature. nature of the modern memory depends hard on literacy and you get a vastly different take on memory from illiterate peeps forex what the gently caress is this nonsense? Seems like illiterate people would rely more heavily on memory since, you know, they don't write things down. Oral histories can go back centuries, etc. Modern literate people don't have to exercise their memories as much because they can write things down and read what other people wrote and not worry about remembering every little thing that happens. Seems like literate people would have a less developed memory as a result. Idiocracy is a documentary.
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raspurtin posted:what the gently caress is this nonsense? Seems like illiterate people would rely more heavily on memory since, you know, they don't write things down. Oral histories can go back centuries, etc. Modern literate people don't have to exercise their memories as much because they can write things down and read what other people wrote and not worry about remembering every little thing that happens. Seems like literate people would have a less developed memory as a result. Idiocracy is a documentary. They're not saying illiterate people have less (or less effective) memory, they're saying illiterate people have memory that functions differently.
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Shame Boy posted:My trans wife owns several, explain that science It seems to me that all wives are trans wives, no one is born a wife.
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Shame Boy posted:They're not saying illiterate people have less (or less effective) memory, they're saying illiterate people have memory that functions differently. So there's a physical difference in brain tissue? Or that memories are trained differently among literate people? If the latter then okay, but either way it kinda smacks of racism "our culture has more developed memories because we're literate"
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"It doesn't matter if Egyptians were slaves or independent contractors, they weren't literate so they couldn't think like us hyper-modern people anyways"
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Slotducks posted:well gently caress me i guess i was susceptible to glorious soviet union marketing tactics Should have claimed it was a honeypot for gun nerds and now look at you. Shameful
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bag em and tag em posted:Should have claimed it was a honeypot for gun nerds and now look at you. Shameful 100% bagged and tagged, sir. onto the next one
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Shame Boy posted:They're not saying illiterate people have less (or less effective) memory, they're saying illiterate people have memory that functions differently. plato puts in the mouth of socrates a long discussion on literacy where, in turn, socrates puts in the mouth of thoth a long discussion on literacy where thoth's servant, the pharaoh thamus, says its poo poo, ruins your memory, and you can't ask scrolls long annoying questions (long annoying questions being, of course, the signature technique of socrates) memory is a culture-specific feature. socialization and class are culture-specific features. way more poo poo is culture-specific than you imagine because in modern times one vast capitalist-modern culture mostly reigns hegemonic over the earth and even the other cultures lie down with respect to its hegemony its not just literacy. it's the conception of the right, it's the conception of being, it's the conception of magic and how important it is (who can devote serious state resources to magic with a straight face in modernity? i guess only the fascists), it's the conception of religion, orthodoxy versus orthopraxis, it's the conception of the metaphysics, the underlying roots of physics, the nature of the material, etc etc etc etc etc we have a strong tendency to believe that elites don't believe their own religion and it wasn't important to them because capitalist elites don't believe in religion at all and it just isn't important to the modern state except as a source of control and loonies. but that's just modern capitalism. even medieval christian rulers were quite genuine in their devotion bob dobbs is dead has issued a correction as of 20:06 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:(who can devote serious state resources to magic with a straight face in modernity? i guess only the fascists)
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yes, cultural relativism is a thing, no argument there. When you say "they didnt have certain methods of theory of mind yet" you don't know what you're talking about.
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raspurtin posted:So there's a physical difference in brain tissue? Or that memories are trained differently among literate people? If the latter then okay, but either way it kinda smacks of racism "our culture has more developed memories because we're literate" The latter, one of Jaynes' core ideas iirc is that what we think of as consciousness and memory are mostly social constructs rather than just entirely like, biological machinery, and thus they can take wildly different forms in different societies and contexts. I mean the brain obviously has some innate biological facility for "remembering poo poo" but what form that takes and how it works appears like it can change a hell of a lot based on environment, socialization, etc, that's all.
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raspurtin posted:yes, cultural relativism is a thing, no argument there. When you say "they didnt have certain methods of theory of mind yet" you don't know what you're talking about. i'm being a fuckin weirdo about this in certain ways but formal game theory is a theory of mind and a technology at the same time. I don't think ancient egyptians could've come up with MAD - it requires weapons of great destructive power to exist
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There are also real, quantifiable differences between male and female human brains. This is however not because  but rather because the way you are taught to think actually physically affects your brain. What I'm saying is that ancient Egyptians probably had different brains, but not majorly so. Also they were definitely conscious, unless you define conscious as "saved by Jesus" or some poo poo.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i'm being a fuckin weirdo about this in certain ways but formal game theory is a theory of mind and a technology at the same time. I don't think ancient egyptians could've come up with MAD - it requires weapons of great destructive power to exist I don't think something like "you have dirt on me but I also have dirt on you so let's not do anything too hasty" requires the existence of nuclear weapons
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GotLag posted:I don't think something like "you have dirt on me but I also have dirt on you so let's not do anything too hasty" requires the existence of nuclear weapons ok, what about the resolution of the guess-2/3rds-of-the-total game?
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bob dobbs is dead posted:ok, what about the resolution of the guess-2/3rds-of-the-total game? It's guess 2/3 of the average. Though I guess if you know how many people there are then guessing the total is basically the same thing.
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ah poo poo yeah sorry anyhow, weirder poo poo is technology than one would expect
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Shame Boy posted:On the one hand sure they were paid and all, on the other hand you can't exactly say no when the god-emperor orders you to construct his death castle. On the other-other hand, video games wouldn't be invented for four thousand years, so what else were you gonna do?
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Byzantine posted:On the other-other hand, video games wouldn't be invented for four thousand years, so what else were you gonna do? I know it's a couple thousand years later but if the inhabitants of Pompeii are anything to go by the answer is "form a cult around big dicks and jack off a hell of a lot"
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raspurtin posted:So there's a physical difference in brain tissue? Or that memories are trained differently among literate people? If the latter then okay, but either way it kinda smacks of racism "our culture has more developed memories because we're literate" our culture has less developed memories because we're literate. literacy is at its base a way to compensate for your memory being imperfect, if you don't have a crutch then you work much harder to remember things. on a societal scale literacy is often better at information preservation and is obviously much better for information transmission, while the document survives, and not having to devote as much energy to remembering frees you up to do other things - lots of advantages to literacy - but there are some downsides too.
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