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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Brer Rabbkt was racist long before Bisney got his hands on it. It was written phonetically by a well off white dude remembering the stories the sharecroppers on his farm would tell. Apocryphal stories talk about its a big reason Disney was so fond of it, 'it didn't feel the need to clean itself up for modern(for the 30s) audiences.' Like people in the 30s though Song of the South was too racist. Joel Chandler Harris was not a well-off dude. It wasn't his farm - he just worked there and found more in common with the slaves than other whites. He spent his entire career as a journalist advocating racial equality, and was quite poor until the Uncle Remus stories started bringing in money.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Brer Rabbkt was racist long before Bisney got his hands on it. It was written phonetically by a well off white dude remembering the stories the sharecroppers on his farm would tell. Apocryphal stories talk about its a big reason Disney was so fond of it, 'it didn't feel the need to clean itself up for modern(for the 30s) audiences.' Like people in the 30s though Song of the South was too racist. That doesn't seem likely considering Song of the South was made in 1944. But even without considering the dates, I think it's really unlikely that more than a minority of white people in America were considering it racist in the 1940s. Half the outrage when it was released was Southern Whites protesting that it made blacks look good. Disney may not ever have sold Song of the South on home media platforms in the USA, but they have sold it abroad. They also based their Splash Mountain ride on the movie in nineteen eighty-loving-nine and didn't announce that they were going to retheme it until last year.
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Jedit posted:That doesn't seem likely considering Song of the South was made in 1944. But even without considering the dates, I think it's really unlikely that more than a minority of white people in America were considering it racist in the 1940s. Half the outrage when it was released was Southern Whites protesting that it made blacks look good. And it was named Splash Mountain to promote the movie Splash.
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They should have made it Wakanda Mountain instead of going with Princess and the Frog.
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AceOfFlames posted:They should have made it Wakanda Mountain instead of going with Princess and the Frog. Hold on, I need to watch a Defunctland episode that will release ten years from now to figure out which of these ideas would age worse.
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Jedit posted:That doesn't seem likely considering Song of the South was made in 1944. But even without considering the dates, I think it's really unlikely that more than a minority of white people in America were considering it racist in the 1940s. Half the outrage when it was released was Southern Whites protesting that it made blacks look good. Don't worry there's tons of white people that are outraged Disney is "giving in to cancel culture" and retheming a classic ride made with characters that were four decades old when the ride was made three decades ago. The only reason the ride uses the Song of the South characters is because Eisner was a cheapskate and they already had those animatronics and set dressings.
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Jedit posted:That doesn't seem likely considering Song of the South was made in 1944. But even without considering the dates, I think it's really unlikely that more than a minority of white people in America were considering it racist in the 1940s. Half the outrage when it was released was Southern Whites protesting that it made blacks look good. I double checked, there was a number of protests around the country organized by various equal rights groups by apparently that came down to confusion about when it was set. Disney refused multiple requests from the Hayes Office to add even a establishing card that it was the 1870s, possibly for fear of offending The Daughters of the Confederacy but just as likely out of resentment for the Hayes Office constantly sticking their nose into Hollwood. Apparently it was also made with grant money from the government as part of a propaganda campaign to celebrate America's victory over racism.
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All the media that came out re. the U.S. invading Afghanistan. And the UK. And the 'coalition of the willing'.
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Aug 16, 2021 15:22
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Samovar posted:All the media that came out re. the U.S. invading Afghanistan. My neighbor was obsessed with this video when we were kids. I can’t believe I found it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/jSTXrSTnaiM
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Samovar posted:All the media that came out re. the U.S. invading Afghanistan. Fortunately it only took my brain an eighth of a femtosecond to correctly predict this outcome after Bush said the words twenty years ago. I haven’t had to do more than ponder why it was taking so long ever since.
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remembering seeing that image of bin ladens sprawling underground supervillain lair and even as a kid going 'how exactly do they know all this to the point of putting it out there in public'
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Anyone else remember that really bad Toby Keith Taliban song?
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I feel like Stickdeath (if it still existed) is a nice microcosm of post-9/11, war on terror stuff. Maybe it's no wonder the website kinda just disappeared at the end of the 00s
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Icon Of Sin posted:Anyone else remember that really bad Toby Keith Taliban song? is that the we're gonna put a boot in your rear end, that's the American way Cause Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list And the Statute of liberty started shaking her fist something something something Liberty Bell. Literally all from memory just now.
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Aces High posted:I feel like Stickdeath (if it still existed) is a nice microcosm of post-9/11, war on terror stuff. I remember a friend showing me stickdeath during my first week of college, two weeks before 9/11. It was basically the same as its post-9/11 self, but just torture of stick figures without rationale. I don't remember if it had police raid shooting games as well, but it might have.
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I mean, the entire sketch is pointing out how we're at war and everyone is pretending it's great.
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pentyne posted:is that the And the eagle will fly man, it's gonna be hell When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc IIRC Keith even used to be a Democrat (albeit almost certainly a conservative one) but he was just one of the many minds that snapped after 9/11 and went completely off the rails.
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Push El Burrito posted:I mean, the entire sketch is pointing out how we're at war and everyone is pretending it's great.
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christmas boots posted:And the eagle will fly man, it's gonna be hell Pre-9/11 if you were politically conservative but still wanted to say "rear end" you called yourself a Democrat. After 9/11 you just went for it.
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Just as bad or worse than that Toby Keith song, but not as well known: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Svn_p3_zE
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The best 9/11 song is Sacrificed Sons by Dream Theater because even that subject didn’t stop them from putting a five minute instrumental jam in the middle of it.
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Im sure leftover crack has a bush did 9-11 song and im glad at least one band is singing truths
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Henchman of Santa posted:The best 9/11 song is Sacrificed Sons by Dream Theater because even that subject didn’t stop them from putting a five minute instrumental jam in the middle of it. Oh man you just reminded me of their incredibly unfortunate album cover for their live from New York album that came out on 9/11/01
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Oh man you just reminded me of their incredibly unfortunate album cover for their live from New York album that came out on 9/11/01 I don't think it can be any worse than this Slayer poster: 
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Arivia posted:I don't think it can be any worse than this Slayer poster: 
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Sir Lemming posted:Pre-9/11 if you were politically conservative but still wanted to say "rear end" you called yourself a Democrat. After 9/11 you just went for it. Either that or they went libertarian and retreated into a cultural cul-de-sac. I feel like the schism point is whether they thought soldiers were dumb or badass, actually.
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Don't forget this classic. It was made in June 2001 but the album wasn't supposed to come out until November 2001, but at the time I think it was circulated with "this came out on 9/11!". 
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SgtScruffy posted:Don't forget this classic. It was made in June 2001 but the album wasn't supposed to come out until November 2001, but at the time I think it was circulated with "this came out on 9/11!". great album too
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I see your Broaderick and Shields and raise you a Shackleton https://youtu.be/KQr6m2l2J-Y
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So what is the best example of something made with pure and good intentions that has aged the worst?
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ElectronicOldMen posted:So what is the best example of something made with pure and good intentions that has aged the worst? Humanity
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oldpainless posted:Humanity I said pure and good intentions.
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ElectronicOldMen posted:So what is the best example of something made with pure and good intentions that has aged the worst? that's a hard question because it's easy to point to things like Helping The Retarded Know God (Hans Raymond Hahn, Werner H. Raasch, 1969) but there is always something far worse if you're willing to dig even a little bit
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ElectronicOldMen posted:So what is the best example of something made with pure and good intentions that has aged the worst? Anything about trans people from before like 2005 or so.
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The Moon Monster posted:Anything about trans people from before like 2005 or so. Glen or Glenda might be a decent nomination. Ed Wood seems to have made the film out of love, but it was so incompetently done.
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Rockman Reserve posted:that's a hard question because it's easy to point to things like Helping The Retarded Know God (Hans Raymond Hahn, Werner H. Raasch, 1969) but there is always something far worse if you're willing to dig even a little bit Yeah I would say an education film that uses now offensive terms and outdated knowledge probably aged the worst.
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