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Rock Paper Tongue posted:The last few years of my degree were an absolute loving nightmare and turned me into a shrieking husk that felt nothing but stress and rage. I wouldn't wish electrical engineering on anybody, that poo poo will break your spirit Mech E here, my engineers are from UConn and UMass (me too!) and they kick rear end. Engineering classes were tedious, but Umass has a lot of practicum and I worked in the Engineering Lab machine shop so all the professors would give me odd jobs. It owned. I didn't sleep much though, and I sacrificed saturdays to chores and homework.
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Scientastic posted:Salary is definitely the most important thing when looking at a job: it’s what you live on month to month. Bonuses, stock options, etc. are all nice, but I’d much rather have the secure monthly pay than the potential of a bit more money if things work out exactly as the business predicts At a certain level they become absurdly real; only about 70,000 people in China earn on paper over 1 million RMB (about 150,000 usd) but a shiiiiitload of people make more than that thanks to bonuses and yearly stock disbursement. That said yeah, look at the base pay cause thats what you're actually living on.
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Aug 18, 2021 11:04
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The problem with electrical engineering is that it's completely made up and doesn't make any sense and I'm fairly sure it's some kind of scam. If you're dumb like me and want an easy ride do mech eng because as long as you avoid fluids of any kind (another scam) then it's basically just advanced shapes.
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Aug 18, 2021 11:19
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Butternubs posted:The problem with electrical engineering is that it's completely made up and doesn't make any sense and I'm fairly sure it's some kind of scam. If you're dumb like me and want an easy ride do mech eng because as long as you avoid fluids of any kind (another scam) then it's basically just advanced shapes. Try Project Engineering my dude. Its hokum bullshit for boomers but it's the easiest way to get paid for sitting in meetings and playing with MS Project.
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Aug 18, 2021 11:46
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Yeah, the “bonuses aren’t real” thing sounds like maybe it only applies to programmers or something. Lots of highly paid people make the majority of their income from bonuses. It’s just that you have to live within your monthly salary on a day to day basis because bonuses are sporadic and uncertain.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:01
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poisonpill posted:Yeah, the “bonuses aren’t real” thing sounds like maybe it only applies to programmers or something. Lots of highly paid people make the majority of their income from bonuses. It’s just that you have to live within your monthly salary on a day to day basis because bonuses are sporadic and uncertain. It may very well just be a computer toucher thing.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:07
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Bonuses seem too close to tipping to me. Just pay me more overall instead of trying to trick me into thinking you're doing me a favour with a "bonus" you can give and take away at will.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:14
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In consulting and finance, if you don't receive your bonus, that means you're getting fired shortly.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:23
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Butternubs posted:Bonuses seem too close to tipping to me. Just pay me more overall instead of trying to trick me into thinking you're doing me a favour with a "bonus" you can give and take away at will. In China, for instance, it is tax advantageous for you and your company to pay the majority of lager pay as a bonus so its just defacto practice if you want to be paid more. ultrafilter posted:In consulting and finance, if you don't receive your bonus, that means you're getting fired shortly. Also this.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:25
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:Try Project Engineering my dude. Its hokum bullshit for boomers but it's the easiest way to get paid for sitting in meetings and playing with MS Project. This is so incredibly accurate it hurts. Project Engineering is something basically any competent person could do, but companies demand anyone in the job have an engineering degree so they can set far too optimistic schedules and budgets for the work the actual engineers have to do. Ugly In The Morning posted:So they’re finally putting my promotion through soon after dragging for months and I’m going to end up making less money. Stupid hourly->salaried switch. Part of me wants to turn it down but I’m really only here for my resume anyway. May as well stick it out to open doors for the big money jobs down the line. My old job did this; you could make good money as an experienced tech getting paid hourly, to the point where taking salaried supervisor positions would lose you money. No one with experience in the department I worked in would ever jump to supervision as a result, but everyone would complain when people from outside the company or from other departments would take supervisor jobs and have to learn how we functioned.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:37
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Bonuses are fine as long as they are predictable. Which usually means metric based. Even if they aren't your own metrics you can at least see it coming or not. That way small companies can punch above their weight in salary when the times are good and don't instantly fold in a market hiccup. Large companies doing it is usually tipping though. I hate options at a fundamental level because rewarding my 45 hour a week stake in the company with more stake in the company is the definition of overinvested.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:39
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champagne posting posted:Bonuses and stock options should be considered at their true value: $0 One company i got an offer from met my salary demands this way* *this way being trying to lump in the bonus as part of the salary package lol
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Aug 18, 2021 13:53
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poisonpill posted:Yeah, the “bonuses aren’t real” thing sounds like maybe it only applies to programmers or something. Lots of highly paid people make the majority of their income from bonuses. It’s just that you have to live within your monthly salary on a day to day basis because bonuses are sporadic and uncertain. I’m not saying bonuses aren’t real, but you can’t feed your kids on the promise of money in three months’ time.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:59
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Doing some job related training over the next three days, the guy running the course was badgering people to speak over mic before the 9am training even began, whilst ignoring the course chatroom. Why are so many people like this? Let me be an introvert and type!! I promise I'll be more focused on the course and less focused on sounding professional and presentable. This happens a lot in my college classes too.
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Aug 18, 2021 14:33
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Scientastic posted:I’m not saying bonuses aren’t real, but you can’t feed your kids on the promise of money in three months’ time. Well, I'm not saying bonuses aren't real, it’s just perhaps not quite as real as some of the other types of compensation
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Aug 18, 2021 15:07
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Scenario: your MegaCorp has sent thousands of employees to work from home indefinitely. Mini-fridges are common in shared cubicles. There is still a skeleton staff on site. Do you: A. Notify employees all food must be removed from their cubicles by a certain date, then after that all fridges will be be opened and food tossed. Empty fridges unplugged to avoid waste. B. Do nothing. After the fly infestation can no longer be ignored, throw out dozens and dozens of fridges.
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Aug 18, 2021 15:08
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Snuff Melange posted:Doing some job related training over the next three days, the guy running the course was badgering people to speak over mic before the 9am training even began, whilst ignoring the course chatroom. The persecution of introverts in the work place should be this generations civil rights movement (I don't think there's any others going on right?). Don't phone me, don't encourage me to phone people. If I'm ignoring your email it's for a reason. NEVER ask me to put my camera on and actually don't even acknowledge my presence if I'm in the office. The fact that I've given them my real name is bordering on too much.
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Aug 18, 2021 15:15
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Butternubs posted:The problem with electrical engineering is that it's completely made up and doesn't make any sense I do CAD, simulation, and support work for the semiconductor industry and 90% of what I do feels like it's absolute fantasy bullshit. Electrical is already kind of abstract compared to mechanical, but that extra layer of separation where you're dealing with software instead of a breadboard or a physical chip really makes you feel it Like, for any given issue, it could be a million things. Is it a problem with the circuit schematic, the layout, the test, or the simulator? Will closing and relaunching fix it? Did I have an incorrect setting when I used another tool to generate my netlist to use with the configuration view to set the appropriate dspf file for my simulator, or is there an issue somewhere else in this massive daisy chain of poo poo? Which version of our thousand tools are we using, which version of the library and cells, and does every single one of our million goddamn parameters track properly between every loving cell view? Am I even doing engineering work at this point, or am I just flaling about trying to find the one combination of settings that will make our software happy? I feel like a Lovecraft character who has seen beyond, into a ceaselessly churning sea of insanity and poor decisions
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Aug 18, 2021 17:59
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Did anyone else get options that ended up with negative value lol (ok yeah technically they can’t be negative since you wouldn’t exercise them, but you know what I mean)
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Aug 18, 2021 18:12
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Did anyone else get options that ended up with negative value lol (ok yeah technically they can’t be negative since you wouldn’t exercise them, but you know what I mean) How does that even happen?
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Aug 18, 2021 18:20
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Strike price above market prices. ...assuming calls, of course, but if your company is issuing puts as part of employee comp then 
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Aug 18, 2021 18:21
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Did anyone else get options that ended up with negative value lol (ok yeah technically they can’t be negative since you wouldn’t exercise them, but you know what I mean) Yes, from 32$ to 16$. I held them until they broke 200$ though.
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Aug 18, 2021 18:25
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Snuff Melange posted:Doing some job related training over the next three days, the guy running the course was badgering people to speak over mic before the 9am training even began, whilst ignoring the course chatroom. So I teach online classes for adults. I tend to kill the mikes because adults can't seem to remember that live mikes are a thing. And after having heard enough flushing, domestic squabbles, and screaming kids, the mikes died. Having said that, there is a major trade off for using chat only. It's that you are dramatically more likely to get answers that require mind reading. Where everyone seems to think that a monosyllabic answer is enough for a complex answer. Or they just don't answer because writing something out is more effort than speaking and they can't be bothered. Talking into the void for eight hours is an exercise in wanting to scream at the end of the day.
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Aug 18, 2021 18:30
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Rock Paper Tongue posted:I do CAD, simulation, and support work for the semiconductor industry and 90% of what I do feels like it's absolute fantasy bullshit. Electrical is already kind of abstract compared to mechanical, but that extra layer of separation where you're dealing with software instead of a breadboard or a physical chip really makes you feel it I haven't lived that life for a long time and touch computers instead. Miss exercising that part of my brain, but not having hundreds of thousands of dollars and 100s of lives on the line.
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Aug 18, 2021 18:40
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Rock Paper Tongue posted:I feel like a Lovecraft character who has seen beyond, into a ceaselessly churning sea of insanity and poor decisions I spend most of my working hours chasing grants and it feels like the same thing. You can be denied a grant for a hundred petty reasons, usually, because each grantor has a *very reasonable* list of things that combined, means you can't get funding for the thing that everyone says is so important. So I spend days and days trying to thread the needle of conflicting requirements and expense eligibility and matching funding to develop a project plan that will satisfy the 2-4 funders for each project. Then we get denied funding for some convenient reason that makes sense until you find out another applicant happens to have a relationship with the funder and we never ever stood a chance. Then I need to explain why I spend a chunk of money without anything to show for it. The whole system is absolutely maddening and designed to tie our hands and make things as difficult as possible.
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Aug 18, 2021 19:09
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I used to be a biologist working in a lab, so while I’m sure many people who work in my position view it as a terrible drudge, I think my job is just about the best thing ever. I essentially get paid to talk to people and give them advice.
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Aug 18, 2021 19:47
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I work sales-adjacent for a mega corp so of course bonuses are based on hitting sales goals. This is the first year I’ve been eligible for a bonus and thanks to COVID I’ll be getting squat. Raises have been “pushed out to next April,” aka skipped this year as well. I know I don’t make as much as I should and I should look for a more stable company, but I really like my job and coworkers so I’m torn.
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Butternubs posted:The problem with electrical engineering is that it's completely made up and doesn't make any sense and I'm fairly sure it's some kind of scam. If you're dumb like me and want an easy ride do mech eng because as long as you avoid fluids of any kind (another scam) then it's basically just advanced shapes. I am an industrial/product designer (and i didn't go into engineering for a reason, mostly that i'm dumb as hell) working with primarily electrical engineers on EE-centric poo poo and i do not understand any of it and every day i try my best to understand electrical engineering basics but i will never ever understand most of it no matter how hard i try. it makes me feel very stupid!
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Rock Paper Tongue posted:The last few years of my degree were an absolute loving nightmare and turned me into a shrieking husk that felt nothing but stress and rage. I wouldn't wish electrical engineering on anybody, that poo poo will break your spirit Yeah it's not my field but a friend worked in the electrical engineering field for a decade for an aerospace company and hated it so much he left and has taken more than a year off to recover and consider his options. He liked the projects but his boss was one bad dude. He's hardworking and motivated so it was surprising he got that burned out to the point where his mental health was in trouble, one plus is it paid well enough he didn't need to find a new gig right away.
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Aug 18, 2021 20:21
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Barudak posted:At a certain level they become absurdly real; only about 70,000 people in China earn on paper over 1 million RMB (about 150,000 usd) but a shiiiiitload of people make more than that thanks to bonuses and yearly stock disbursement. The other place where higher base salary is important is that raises, bonuses, and equity grants are frequently a percentage of your base salary. The more salary, the bigger the raise or bonus in absolute $$$. That's why you usually want to favor salary over other compensation.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah it's not my field but a friend worked in the electrical engineering field for a decade for an aerospace company and hated it so much he left and has taken more than a year off to recover and consider his options. He liked the projects but his boss was one bad dude. He's hardworking and motivated so it was surprising he got that burned out to the point where his mental health was in trouble, one plus is it paid well enough he didn't need to find a new gig right away. I'm a bad enough dude to ruin my employees
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My work is still forcing people back to the office full time September. They did a survey where 89% of people responded they want to work from home. Their response was: remove our flexible start time, so you MUST start work at 7:30. No working from home until next year, maybe. They're now confused as to why people are leaving to go work for our competition, and taking all their insider knowledge with them. When the competition is offering a lower wage, but "work wherever the gently caress you want, as long as you have fast enough internet to do your job." They're still sending out mass PR messages saying that "People want to go back to the office, because they feel a lack of connection with management" They're still stressing the importance of a Work Life Balance.
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Aug 18, 2021 21:36
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0730? I'd be loving right off.
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Aug 18, 2021 21:57
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No WFH? I'd be loving right off.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I’ve got three months left to avoid the clawback on my sign on bonus unfortunately. Bonus option: you find a way to transfer to your company's construction management side and get back to the fun stuff. We're starting two $15-20M projects for you guys in NC and a $30M project in MI and those are just the ones I cover.
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Aug 18, 2021 22:29
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If they wanted me at my home desk that early I would also be loving right off.
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Aug 18, 2021 22:30
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Lol I have an interview with a brand we distribute. My boss doesn't know. He's not gonna know unless he gets an email from me with @thebrand.com. I feel no shame about being poached because it's full WFH, about 8x what I make plus benefits.
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Aug 18, 2021 22:58
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how loving absurdly underpaid are you that you can get 8x what you make
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Mormon Nailer posted:Lol I have an interview with a brand we distribute. My boss doesn't know. He's not gonna know unless he gets an email from me with @thebrand.com. At 8x my salary I would do some truly heinous poo poo. gently caress I'd be brand manager at Palantir
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Biowarfare posted:how loving absurdly underpaid are you that you can get 8x what you make "Will you come be our CEO?"
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