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a cartoon duck posted:i know the thread went over this the last time a sarah z video popped up but, the gently caress is an anti again anyone from someone who's against shipping bad guys with good guys to someone who's against drawn pedophilia, ime
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Aug 18, 2021 15:24
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a cartoon duck posted:i know the thread went over this the last time a sarah z video popped up but, the gently caress is an anti again Broadly speaking "Someone who devotes time calling out people's ships"
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Aug 18, 2021 15:24
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a cartoon duck posted:i know the thread went over this the last time a sarah z video popped up but, the gently caress is an anti again 
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Aug 18, 2021 15:25
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a cartoon duck posted:i know the thread went over this the last time a sarah z video popped up but, the gently caress is an anti again people who are called antis by others just don't like pedophilia
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Aug 18, 2021 15:26
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a cartoon duck posted:i know the thread went over this the last time a sarah z video popped up but, the gently caress is an anti again The fact that the terms involved are loving stupid is one of the main points of the video.
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Aug 18, 2021 15:38
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I watched the Sarah Z video primarily to get a more definitive meaning of "antis" and just ended up being weary of anyone who sincerely uses that term.
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Aug 18, 2021 18:22
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a cartoon duck posted:i know the thread went over this the last time a sarah z video popped up but, the gently caress is an anti again If it were possible for either side to be reasonable, “pro” would be comfortable exploring problematic relationships. Problematic being anything from like "formerly bad person reforms and grows before a relationship forms" or “I just really want to smooch Kefka the clown baddie from FF6” to like “incest/underage content”. Often ends up being criticized for having adult people enter a fandom for a children’s show or whatever and doing a lot of untagged porn of the characters, who are often the same age as the younger fans of the property, in the age demo the media is targeting. Meanwhile “anti” would be opposed depicting problematic relationships. This nominally is about concerns around "normalizing” unhealthy or dangerous relationships through the medium of fiction. But it quickly spirals into poo poo as everyone’s standard of what is acceptable to depict and what is problematic goes deeper and deeper. For a lot of people it might stop at incest or underage content, or posting that in inappropriate spaces untagged. For others it starts diving into pretty extreme and often sex-negative territory or just getting really loving weird about normal poo poo, like the Twitter Main Character from a few days ago who thought having bare feet in front of children was sick fetish poo poo and you were a rapist for doing that. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Aug 18, 2021 19:57
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Genthil posted:I watched the Sarah Z video primarily to get a more definitive meaning of "antis" and just ended up being weary of anyone who sincerely uses that term. a good rule of thumb is that anyone who unironically calls themselves a "anti" or "pro" shipper are people who are 2000% too online malajusted weirdos who need to get a hobby  oh yeah heres some cool tweets about sarah z and the dumb ship wars (the second ones back from the stuff in march tho) https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1427968046254198790 https://twitter.com/WeekesPrincess/status/1371993145848836100
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Aug 18, 2021 20:00
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Booky posted:speaking of sarah z, and im sure she touches on it in the video, is that it was insanely wild seeing angry Certain Kinds of people whenever she uploaded a video... those sorts basically said shes a pedophile sex cultist Evil Person who laughs at suicides and burns fan works for the heinous crimes of uh, thinking fan merch with the pink triangle was in poor taste or like, talking about bbc sherlock???? josh04 posted:There will never stop being a supply of teens and young adults failing horribly at making sense of the vague rules of appropriateness they get taught.
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Aug 18, 2021 20:00
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McCloud posted:Ok i don't get it. She made fun of a pair of socks and a pink triangle and people are treating her like Hitler over it? It's like "if you're not with us, you're against us" but for online shipping wars encompassing... the entirety of fan fiction? And through vague internet rumors and yelling at each other, one side means you're a Nazi and the other means you're a pedophile, and both sides mean you condone bullying and killing children.
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Aug 18, 2021 21:07
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-wIhmZQJA Hazel's back! This time talking about a bad lesbian anime including history lessons on lesbian exploitation films out of the west and a lesson on casual physical relationships between girls in japan and how that influences yuri manga and anime! There is a special cameo by The Flatwoods Monster again!
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Aug 18, 2021 22:18
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a cartoon duck posted:i know the thread went over this the last time a sarah z video popped up but, the gently caress is an anti again A lot of people have tried to answer, but "someone who dislikes [thing]" is the only conclusion I could take from it. When she was attempting to explain it I got the distinct feeling that not even Sarah really knows. Pretty sure it's used in a way to be vague and meaningless on purpose, or something.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:22
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Pro-Skub vs Anti-Skub except the argument is about whether Skub fucks or not.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:26
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Hazel has some delicious anime disappointment to share with us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-wIhmZQJA ed:fb
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Aug 18, 2021 23:34
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Lotus Aura posted:A lot of people have tried to answer, but "someone who dislikes [thing]" is the only conclusion I could take from it. When she was attempting to explain it I got the distinct feeling that not even Sarah really knows. Pretty sure it's used in a way to be vague and meaningless on purpose, or something.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:39
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I wanted Vlad Love to be good 
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Aug 18, 2021 23:53
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Captain Invictus posted:in vtuber circles, "anti" tends to reference the types who are virulently and irrationally angry at the very idea of vtubers and can't just leave it be. It often goes hand in hand with the concept of a woman keeping her identity secret online, and leads to groups working to doxx and ruin them for having the temerity to be popular women on the internet. This has happened to multiple prominent vtubers, including Mano Aloe from Hololive who was doxxed and people she knew harassed by extension, leading to her retiring within two weeks of debuting. I don't know if it's similar elsewhere, but the types to harass the voice actors of a character they dislike certainly fits the bill. That usage of the term anti and the usage of it in fanfiction circles are completely unrelated
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Aug 19, 2021 00:54
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Saagonsa posted:That usage of the term anti and the usage of it in fanfiction circles are completely unrelated Considering the crazy harassment people give to the voice/actors of characters over fanfic poo poo, not too far apart though.
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Aug 19, 2021 01:08
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enough talk, let's dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgfl_SbKYzk
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Aug 19, 2021 01:10
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Pigbuster posted:Abrams’ quote on the dogshit “””respresentation””” in RoS is profoundly embarrassing, holy moly. Jungle Cruise was delayed quite a bit with reports of reshoots and the rumor was that they got some pushback on the brother part because he originally spent the movie acting all effeminate and then the punchline was that he's straight.
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Aug 19, 2021 03:00
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Saagonsa posted:That usage of the term anti and the usage of it in fanfiction circles are completely unrelated Not necessarily, anti here is basically a back-ported loan word. In Japanese and I'm pretty sure Korean too it's an English loan word which basically means "hater" so it could have come from the K-pop crowd who are often involved in fanfic stuff as well.
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Aug 19, 2021 04:11
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like the subject matter of pretty much all of sarahs videos the actual pro/anti thing seems to have almost nothing to do with the insane subculture it spawned
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Aug 19, 2021 04:38
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That Chapter (true crime) is really leaning into chaotic energy with his recent videos and i'm all for it. it seems like he's mostly looking for the craziest stories and weirdest characters now, and he's having a lot more fun with the editing and humor
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Aug 19, 2021 05:11
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Farm Frenzy posted:like the subject matter of pretty much all of sarahs videos the actual pro/anti thing seems to have almost nothing to do with the insane subculture it spawned Yeah that's kind of the point of the video. It's all internet telephone, outrage bait, and culture war bullshit to the point where the original purpose is long lost.
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Aug 19, 2021 05:55
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egg tats posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-wIhmZQJA Farm Frenzy posted:like the subject matter of pretty much all of sarahs videos the actual pro/anti thing seems to have almost nothing to do with the insane subculture it spawned heck even if it isnt outright porn, its reasonable for a kid to be made uncomfortable by, idk, a weird power dynamic in a romantic relationship, but its also reasonable to want to explore that in fiction. and theres very little effort made to teach kids how to curate their own experiences online so they dont know how to stop it other than yelling at the thing they dislike to go away. this is also why the culture of 'here is a list of all my mental illnesses and triggers' and yelling at boyfriend dungeon for having a bad thing in it exists, there's a generation of nerdy kids who are so turbo online at all times that theyve literally never learned how to just walk away from something or brush it off. and then ofc you have a bunch of weirdo adults who infest those circles and make things worse for some weird imagined social power. Endorph fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Aug 19, 2021 06:50
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The 7th Guest posted:That Chapter (true crime) is really leaning into chaotic energy with his recent videos and i'm all for it. it seems like he's mostly looking for the craziest stories and weirdest characters now, and he's having a lot more fun with the editing and humor Ah I need to jump back in. I'm not sure what happened but after a while YouTube stopped recommending True Crime stuff to me even though I was watching (some) of it so it kind of went out of sight, out of mind a little bit.
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Aug 19, 2021 08:09
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TITS does Carpenters' weirdest album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_gwA_hdKMs
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Aug 19, 2021 09:02
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Pachylad posted:TITS does Carpenters' weirdest album: I involuntarily said "What?!" out loud when the first notes of "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" started. Somehow that was more unexpected to me than the racist housewife bit, although I think Todd basically came away with the right take on that -- intentions were probably not bad, but execution was severely lacking. It's really hard watching any footage of Karen from that era though. I was glad to mostly only be listening to this one.
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Aug 19, 2021 13:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ a look into the absolutely insane exploitation that exists in roblox, the freemium game development website that takes a cut of 75.5% of the earnings of games made by (mostly young)developers, and then also doesn't let them convert their earnings into real money without taking another cut
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Aug 19, 2021 14:55
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I never found it very fun to play, but at someone who was watching roblox videos when I was a kid, it's a shock to find out that that it's not only still around, but an insanely profitable child-dev labor scam.
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Aug 19, 2021 15:26
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Sir Lemming posted:I involuntarily said "What?!" out loud when the first notes of "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" started. Somehow that was more unexpected to me than the racist housewife bit, although I think Todd basically came away with the right take on that -- intentions were probably not bad, but execution was severely lacking. Was also not prepared for their cover of 'Man Smart, Woman Smarter.' Genuinely didn't know that's where The Simpsons got it.
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Aug 19, 2021 15:44
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Endorph posted:kids feel lost and confused in modern society (understandable), there are very few 'safe' spaces for them online besides the ones they create themselves and this makes them uncomfortable, (understandable) they invent reasons why people who want two jojos characters to gently caress are actually the problem (not understandable.) like its hard to exist online at this point without running across weird porn occasionally, especially if you follow a bunch of random fanartists, but so long as theyre saying their account is 18+ it isnt really the fanartists fault for posting it to twitter, the issue is twitter showing you random poo poo you didnt ask for and basically applying no age gating or safety controls whatsoever. but it makes them uncomfortable so they lash out. Thinking about the "irredeemable media", it feel like a continuation of the need that a lot of teenagers/young adults have to attach moral vice to the things they don't like. It used to be that they would complain about how someone or something was a "sellout" or a "phony". The concept of "sellout" has really receded as you have more independent creators (but also where even the hyper-independent one-person operation has to shill for NordVPN or whatever). So now you have white kids in the suburbs talking about how Hamilton is irredeemably racist.
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Aug 19, 2021 15:59
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LanceHunter posted:Thinking about the "irredeemable media", it feel like a continuation of the need that a lot of teenagers/young adults have to attach moral vice to the things they don't like. It used to be that they would complain about how someone or something was a "sellout" or a "phony". The concept of "sellout" has really receded as you have more independent creators (but also where even the hyper-independent one-person operation has to shill for NordVPN or whatever). So now you have white kids in the suburbs talking about how Hamilton is irredeemably racist. I think saying that this is just kids is a shallow look at things because this isn't a new thing, really, it's just different. parents weren't swatting Gary Gygax, John Carmack, and that terf who wrote the wizard books, BUT they boycotted d&d doom and Harry potter because they were evil influences that would lead their children to gently caress satan/do a murder/become a witch. the idea that someone could read a story about a stalker and have the idea that stalking is fine forced into their heads isn't really different from that imo
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Aug 19, 2021 16:56
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LanceHunter posted:Thinking about the "irredeemable media", it feel like a continuation of the need that a lot of teenagers/young adults have to attach moral vice to the things they don't like. It used to be that they would complain about how someone or something was a "sellout" or a "phony". The concept of "sellout" has really receded as you have more independent creators (but also where even the hyper-independent one-person operation has to shill for NordVPN or whatever). So now you have white kids in the suburbs talking about how Hamilton is irredeemably racist. It's also an interesting juxtaposition to the internet culture of the early aughts, like Something Awful, 4chan et al. ,wich was itself probably a reaction to the various moral panics of the '80 and '90. e X fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Aug 19, 2021 16:56
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Now Hamilton IS a racist CIA op though
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Aug 19, 2021 17:57
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egg tats posted:I think saying that this is just kids is a shallow look at things because this isn't a new thing, really, it's just different. parents weren't swatting Gary Gygax, John Carmack, and that terf who wrote the wizard books, BUT they boycotted d&d doom and Harry potter because they were evil influences that would lead their children to gently caress satan/do a murder/become a witch.
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Aug 19, 2021 17:58
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egg tats posted:I think saying that this is just kids is a shallow look at things because this isn't a new thing, really, it's just different. parents weren't swatting Gary Gygax, John Carmack, and that terf who wrote the wizard books, BUT they boycotted d&d doom and Harry potter because they were evil influences that would lead their children to gently caress satan/do a murder/become a witch. Yeah Gygax didn't get materially harmed because he was the one making money. Same as always.
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Aug 19, 2021 18:10
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DoctorWhat posted:Now Hamilton IS a racist CIA op though Yeah like, kind of a bad choice to use the “I’m a slave owner and I’m here to say/ the free market is essential in a radical way” musical as an example of people tilting at racism windmills
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Aug 19, 2021 18:36
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Hamilton’s a fun musical and the pearl-clutching some people do about it is just as tiresome as the people who act like it’s a revelation.
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Aug 19, 2021 19:23
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It's trash.
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