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Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Herstory Begins Now posted:

this is a pretty poor example given how massively hung-up a ton of anglos and americans are on their anglo saxon or norman or danish raider or norwegian viking ancestry

it's a great example because Hitler/Nazis specifically used viking archaelogical finds to add a thin layer of legitimacy to their iconography and symbolism but mostly had 20th century motivations and drivers(ie desire for power and agency post wwi, sense of national pride that had nothing to do with that)

sure they pulled the swastika from a viking find and used it but they also used the term "socialism" in their party which was a directly modern appropriation

edit: you'd be much better off talking about how "blaming everything bad on the jews" has a thousand year old history in the region which, it does, and that's why they went with it for WW2

Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Aug 18, 2021

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:19

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 13:23

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Jaxyon posted:

it's a great example because Hitler/Nazis specifically used viking archaelogical finds to add a thin layer of legitimacy to their iconography and symbolism but mostly had 20th century motivations and drivers(ie desire for power and agency post wwi, sense of national pride that had nothing to do with that)

sure they pulled the swastika from a viking find and used it but they also used the term "socialism" in their party which was a directly modern appropriation

edit: you'd be much better off talking about how "blaming everything bad on the jews" has a thousand year old history in the region which, it does, and that's why they went with it for WW2

yeah

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:27

Gaupo Guacho: Aug 5, 2010; by Pragmatica

I know pointing out hypocrisy is trite and useless but I feel like a lot of the people decrying the US for supposedly turning Afghanistan into a charnel house are marxist-leninists or socialists, whereas in reality the USSR's efforts to prop up the central government and spread marxist ideology beyond the cities and into the hinterlands resulted in literally ten times the amount of people that US efforts ever did. it seems self evident that Soviet ROE were far more lax and their tactics were far more brutal yet the American occupation represents the height of imperialism to modern day MLs :shrug:

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# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:37

Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

I might be falling for clickbait, but CNN just reported this:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-taliban-us-news-08-18-21/h_b11fdb80790fc57e43797a33c0044895

quote:

The US embassy in Kabul advised American citizens today that the US government cannot ensure safe passage to the airport for those looking to flee the country.

�THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT CANNOT ENSURE SAFE PASSAGE TO THE HAMID KARZAI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT,� the embassy advised American citizens in a security alert Wednesday.
The alert told citizens that space on evacuation flights will now be available �on a first come, first serve basis.�

Some context: The guidance seemed to mark a significant shift from previous advisories, which told US citizens to shelter in place until they were advised by the embassy to report to the airport.

The message about the inability to ensure safe passage to the airport comes in stark contrast to comments made by National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan just a day prior. He told reporters Tuesday that the Taliban had committed to allowing safe passage for civilians to the airport.

Wednesday�s alert noted, �U.S. citizens, LPRs, and their spouses and unmarried children (under age 21) should consider travelling to Hamid Karzai International Airport,� but advises that �you may be required to wait at the airport for a significant amount of time until space is available.�

I can't tell if that's a horrible development or just poor writing by the man/woman handling the security alerts. Maybe it's just telling US citizens they can make a judgment call about going to the airport if they have the means, but they won't be provided the kind of armed security that would absolutely guarantee safe passage?

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:41

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Here's an interesting (45 minutes or so) documentary on Afghanistan in the 60s and 70s, if you want to see just how bullshit the "constant war and isolation from the world" line actually is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co9buL2OwTk

You can make whatever arguments you like about who's responsible for what in the aftermath, but I think it helps contextualize the fact that Afghanistan as it's been in my lifetime, is not the sum total of what it is even just in living memory, not to say anything of the centuries past.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:47

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

Gaupo Guacho posted:

I know pointing out hypocrisy is trite and useless but I feel like a lot of the people decrying the US for supposedly turning Afghanistan into a charnel house are marxist-leninists or socialists, whereas in reality the USSR's efforts to prop up the central government and spread marxist ideology beyond the cities and into the hinterlands resulted in literally ten times the amount of people that US efforts ever did. it seems self evident that Soviet ROE were far more lax and their tactics were far more brutal yet the American occupation represents the height of imperialism to modern day MLs

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I think a lot of socialists are bothered by stuff like that, even if they're uncomfortable bringing it up because it divides the left and it feels kind of pointless to deflect from focusing on America's crimes today to critique the Soviet Union since it doesn't exist anymore. I'm not really a leftist, but I think it's pretty reasonable for people to hold their own society to a higher standard than others, even if that can get a bit solipsistic if taken too far. Tankies who think imperialism and mass slaughter are cool if done in the name of communism are bad people though, yeah.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:47

Conspiratiorist: Nov 12, 2015; 17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the ~~fifth~~ ~~sixth~~ some day

Eric Cantonese posted:

I can't tell if that's a horrible development or just poor writing by the man/woman handling the security alerts. Maybe it's just telling US citizens they can make a judgment call about going to the airport if they have the means, but they won't be provided the kind of armed security that would absolutely guarantee safe passage?

Since yesterday they've been telling American citizens (there's between 10 and 15k of them in Afghanistan) to make their way to Kabul airport for evacuation. They will not be provided assistance. Their safety will not be guaranteed by US Gov resources.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:49

Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

PT6A posted:

Here's an interesting (45 minutes or so) documentary on Afghanistan in the 60s and 70s, if you want to see just how bullshit the "constant war and isolation from the world" line actually is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co9buL2OwTk

You can make whatever arguments you like about who's responsible for what in the aftermath, but I think it helps contextualize the fact that Afghanistan as it's been in my lifetime, is not the sum total of what it is even just in living memory, not to say anything of the centuries past.

Was this before or after the last King got deposed? From what I understand, he was pretty good at keeping the tribes tied together just enough to keep peace. I don't love monarchies, but it seems like the beginning of the end was when Daoud Khan overthrew him in 1973.

Conspiratiorist posted:

Since yesterday they've been telling American citizens (there's between 10 and 15k of them in Afghanistan) to make their way to Kabul airport for evacuation. They will not be provided assistance. Their safety will not be guaranteed by US Gov resources.

I guess this is better than being told to shelter in place?

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:50

Sir Kodiak: May 14, 2007

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/18/mujahideen-resistance-taliban-ahmad-massoud/

Opinion: The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help.
Ahmad Massoud is the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.

quote:

In 1998, when I was 9 years old, my father, the mujahideen commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, gathered his soldiers in a cave in the Panjshir Valley of northern Afghanistan. They sat and listened as my father�s friend, French philosopher Bernard-Henri L�vy, addressed them. �When you fight for your freedom,� L�vy said, �you fight also for our freedom.�

My father never forgot this as he fought against the Taliban regime. Up until the moment he was assassinated on Sept. 9, 2001, at the behest of the Taliban and al-Qaeda, he was fighting for the fate of Afghanistan but also for the West.

Now this common struggle is more essential than ever in these dark, tense hours for my homeland.

I write from the Panjshir Valley today, ready to follow in my father�s footsteps, with mujahideen fighters who are prepared to once again take on the Taliban. We have stores of ammunition and arms that we have patiently collected since my father�s time, because we knew this day might come.

We also have the weapons carried by the Afghans who, over the past 72 hours, have responded to my appeal to join the resistance in Panjshir. We have soldiers from the Afghan regular army who were disgusted by the surrender of their commanders and are now making their way to the hills of Panjshir with their equipment. Former members of the Afghan Special Forces have also joined our struggle.

But that is not enough. If Taliban warlords launch an assault, they will of course face staunch resistance from us. The flag of the National Resistance Front will fly over every position that they attempt to take, as the National United Front flag flew 20 years ago. Yet we know that our military forces and logistics will not be sufficient. They will be rapidly depleted unless our friends in the West can find a way to supply us without delay.

The United States and its allies have left the battlefield, but America can still be a �great arsenal of democracy,� as Franklin D. Roosevelt said when coming to the aid of the beleaguered British before the U.S. entry into World War II.

To that end, I entreat Afghanistan�s friends in the West to intercede for us in Washington and in New York, with Congress and with the Biden administration. Intercede for us in London, where I completed my studies, and in Paris, where my father�s memory was honored this spring by the naming of a pathway for him in the Champs-�lys�es gardens.

Know that millions of Afghans share your values. We have fought for so long to have an open society, one where girls could become doctors, our press could report freely, our young people could dance and listen to music or attend soccer matches in the stadiums that were once used by the Taliban for public executions � and may soon be again.

The Taliban is not a problem for the Afghan people alone. Under Taliban control, Afghanistan will without doubt become ground zero of radical Islamist terrorism; plots against democracies will be hatched here once again.

No matter what happens, my mujahideen fighters and I will defend Panjshir as the last bastion of Afghan freedom. Our morale is intact. We know from experience what awaits us.

But we need more weapons, more ammunition and more supplies.

America and its democratic allies do not just have the fight against terrorism in common with Afghans. We now have a long history made up of shared ideals and struggles. There is still much that you can do to aid the cause of freedom. You are our only remaining hope.

TLDR: the Northern Alliance would like guns and money from the United States to keep the civil war going.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:52

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Eric Cantonese posted:

I might be falling for clickbait, but CNN just reported this:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-taliban-us-news-08-18-21/h_b11fdb80790fc57e43797a33c0044895

I can't tell if that's a horrible development or just poor writing by the man/woman handling the security alerts. Maybe it's just telling US citizens they can make a judgment call about going to the airport if they have the means, but they won't be provided the kind of armed security that would absolutely guarantee safe passage?

It sounds like it�s warning about how you should go to the airport port they arnt sure if every single American can get a escort because of how spread out people are. The sad thing is the vague wording is probably more to do with legal stuff then anything.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:52

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

I don't see the Taliban agreeing to allowing American patrols in the streets of Kabul again, so unless we want to reinvade the city, I don't know how the US is supposed to guarantee their security. The US is obviously communicating with the Taliban via back channels and I assume wouldn't be telling people to go to the airport if they thought the Taliban would detain them on the spot.

The one suggestion I've seen for how an orderly withdrawal might have been possible would be to do it in the winter, but obviously Trump didn't start it last winter/it was too soon for Biden to realistically do it, and the Taliban probably weren't inclined to wait until this coming winter when they were told we'd be out sooner.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:54

-Blackadder-: Jan 2, 2007; Game....Blouses.

Sir Kodiak posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/18/mujahideen-resistance-taliban-ahmad-massoud/

Opinion: The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help.
Ahmad Massoud is the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.

TLDR: the Northern Alliance would like guns and money from the United States to keep the civil war going.

Greaaaat. Sure haven't been here before.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 20:58

Thom12255: Feb 23, 2013; WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

Sir Kodiak posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/18/mujahideen-resistance-taliban-ahmad-massoud/

Opinion: The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help.
Ahmad Massoud is the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.

TLDR: the Northern Alliance would like guns and money from the United States to keep the civil war going.

Will be interesting to see what happens with this guy.

Also the wiki page for this movement is being considered for deletion already lol - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panjshir_resistance

Thom12255 fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Aug 18, 2021

# ? Aug 18, 2021 21:01

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Conspiratiorist posted:

Since yesterday they've been telling American citizens (there's between 10 and 15k of them in Afghanistan) to make their way to Kabul airport for evacuation. They will not be provided assistance. Their safety will not be guaranteed by US Gov resources.

Yeah, that�s a hosed up version with of legal wording. I have a job with a lot of that kind of language and your taught to be extremely vague yet specific with wording. Like obviously they will try to get every American out and it sounds like the taliban is cool with that and even cool with escorting some of the people out because �making sure they out� and they want to look like the future government. Anyway I think the us is gonna try to provide escorts for most folks. This is just how shits worded as a disclaimer.

Sir Kodiak posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/18/mujahideen-resistance-taliban-ahmad-massoud/

Opinion: The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help.
Ahmad Massoud is the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.

TLDR: the Northern Alliance would like guns and money from the United States to keep the civil war going.

If that stuff does happen. It won�t happen openly until we are done evacuating and even then it won�t be �openly�.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 21:04

Staluigi: Jun 22, 2021

Sir Kodiak posted:

TLDR: the Northern Alliance would like guns and money from the United States to keep the civil war going.

a land war, in asia? turns out we're fresh on the market for that!! where do we sign up

# ? Aug 18, 2021 21:10

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Eric Cantonese posted:

Was this before or after the last King got deposed? From what I understand, he was pretty good at keeping the tribes tied together just enough to keep peace. I don't love monarchies, but it seems like the beginning of the end was when Daoud Khan overthrew him in 1973.

Most of it was pre-'73 I gather (I think there's probably footage from both periods? they don't specify dates) but it didn't really stop until '78.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 21:39

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Eric Cantonese posted:

Was this before or after the last King got deposed? From what I understand, he was pretty good at keeping the tribes tied together just enough to keep peace. I don't love monarchies, but it seems like the beginning of the end was when Daoud Khan overthrew him in 1973.

he was alive into the beginning of the taliban era because he was couped while he was away i believe. i have to listen to the lions led by donkeys podcast on it.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 21:46

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

Al-Saqr posted:

I am sick and tired of idiots trying to tie political events from 1400 years ago to today as if theirs any relationship whatsoever

Seriously, let's go check in on what Europe was up to 500 years ago, oh god they're killing each other over the right way to eat a cracker what

# ? Aug 18, 2021 21:58

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Eric Cantonese posted:

Was this before or after the last King got deposed? From what I understand, he was pretty good at keeping the tribes tied together just enough to keep peace. I don't love monarchies, but it seems like the beginning of the end was when Daoud Khan overthrew him in 1973.

From the Hazara point of view his "keeping the tribes together" largely took the form of a (skillfully constructed it must be said) bureaucratic oppression and atomization of the Hazara, and the implementation of programs that subjugated the Hazara to Pashtun dominance on the local level, instead of merely on the national level. Zahir was lucky in getting deposed before alot of the landmines of tension he was planting exploded.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 22:29

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

VitalSigns posted:

Seriously, let's go check in on what Europe was up to 500 years ago, oh god they're killing each other over the right way to eat a cracker what

yeah. dipshit "historians" lean to hard "ME was always quagmire of violence forever" its like sure there were times when the ottomans and other regional powers fighting fighting each other in their border regions and in the latter ottoman empire era when poo poo started imploding and countries started to try leaving them, stuff was violent and bad but for the most part it was like living in all empires/big powers. it was mostly peaceful but it depended where you were. both europe and china/east asia had way more longer violent periods then ME.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 23:10

shimmy shimmy: Nov 13, 2020

How are u posted:

Shot in the streets for the crime of taking down the Taliban flag and putting up the old flag. Not a great sign at all.

Oh, so these are the relaxed policies.

it seems like a fairly neutral sign to me, honestly. it's definitely bad but i don't think that afghan national army (when it still existed) would have reacted any differently to a group taking down their flag and putting up the Taliban one. or the americans, for that matter, especially circa late 2001/early 2002.

# ? Aug 18, 2021 23:13

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

shimmy shimmy posted:

it seems like a fairly neutral sign to me, honestly. it's definitely bad but i don't think that afghan national army (when it still existed) would have reacted any differently to a group taking down their flag and putting up the Taliban one. or the americans, for that matter, especially circa late 2001/early 2002.

Neither the ANA nor the Americans would have shot any civilians in that situation because as long as the people shot were males between the ages of 15 and 60 they would have been classified as terrorists.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 01:18

buglord: Jul 31, 2010; Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!; Buglord

Little curious but what are between 10k-15k Americans doing in Afghanistan if they aren�t military or family members of embassy workers? I can picture some Americans, maybe visiting families or something, and maybe some touristy types, but that seems like a ton of Americans.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 01:54

Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

buglord posted:

Little curious but what are between 10k-15k Americans doing in Afghanistan if they aren�t military or family members of embassy workers? I can picture some Americans, maybe visiting families or something, and maybe some touristy types, but that seems like a ton of Americans.

I'm curious myself. Could be a lot of NGO charity people? Workers tied to infrastructure projects?

# ? Aug 19, 2021 01:55

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Eric Cantonese posted:

I'm curious myself. Could be a lot of NGO charity people? Workers tied to infrastructure projects?

generalized heroin smuggling support staff

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:36

Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

I feel stupid overlooking this, but there are almost certainly a lot of Afghan-Americans in that number.

The NY Times had a piece on one couple�s struggles getting to the airport. Sounds horrible.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/18/world/taliban-afghanistan-news/an-american-couple-filmed-their-desperate-bid-to-escape-kabul

quote:

The Afghan American couple visiting Afghanistan for a wedding had finally made it through the Taliban checkpoints outside Kabul�s international airport, but the airport itself was still out of reach, a tall barricade of scraggly concertina wire separating them from American troops, their weapons at the ready.

A riveting video taken by the husband Wednesday shows what happened next.

The woman, wearing a green head scarf, screams in terror as the American troops point their weapons at her through the barbed wire, plumes of smoke rising above their military formation. She yells over and over again the name of a U.S. military contact she had been given to ease her passage through the barricade and into the airport.

�I was calling my contact to pick me up and find me in the crowd,� the wife explained later in an interview. The couple asked that their names not be used until they were safely out of the country.

The woman described having to fight her way through a crowd of Afghans who did not have American citizenship, green cards or visas but were desperate to be evacuated.

�Pushing through the crowd was like killing yourself,� she said.

The couple were finally allowed into the airport, but the ordeal was not over.

Late Wednesday, they were still waiting for American military flights that were evacuating other United States citizens like them; green card holders; and those with special immigrant visas, including Afghans who worked as translators with the military and are now at risk from the Taliban.

The line they were in was hundreds of people long, she said.

The couple, who live in the Washington, D.C., area, said they had failed repeatedly to make it to the airport over the past few days. So they decided to seek help from the office of Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican who has been vocal on the chaotic nature of the U.S. withdrawal. Mr. Cotton�s office provided the name of the contact at the airport military barricade, they said.

The couple shared the video with The New York Times about 2:30 p.m. Eastern time Wednesday � near midnight in Kabul, just after they had entered the airport.

Both are American citizens of Afghan origin and dressed in traditional Afghan attire to ease their journey through Taliban checkpoints. But their clothing created further confusion in the fog of an already chaotic American evacuation effort.

Then they were in.

�I couldn�t stop my tears,� the wife said.

� Maria Abi-Habi

They were helped out by Senator Tom Cotton of all people.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:15

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Sir Kodiak posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/18/mujahideen-resistance-taliban-ahmad-massoud/

Opinion: The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help.
Ahmad Massoud is the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.

TLDR: the Northern Alliance would like guns and money from the United States to keep the civil war going.

The Northern Alliance being led by a man in his early thirties with zero experience in warfare, politics, or leadership isn't a good omen for their chances, but I guess the pro-US forces will die as they lived - led by an inexperienced failson whose whole life has been shaped by nepotism, chosen because he had lots of Western connections and his dad had lots of powerful connections in Afghanistan.

Ahmad Massoud - eldest son of the famed Lion of Panjshir - spent the Trump administration at college in the UK, and then returned home to Afghanistan to take up his first ever job...as CEO of his uncle's nonprofit foundation. I wonder how much good his bachelor's degree in War Sciences is gonna be against seasoned militants who've been fighting the US all this time.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:24

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

I assume the plan is to just get as much money as possible from all the various 'but we should do something!!' people and any branches of the usg that have money and still think we should be involved. Presumably the plan is then to either disappear or, if it seems sustainable, just be symbolic opposition while doing nothing that might risk the gravy train.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:37

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

buglord posted:

Little curious but what are between 10k-15k Americans doing in Afghanistan if they aren�t military or family members of embassy workers? I can picture some Americans, maybe visiting families or something, and maybe some touristy types, but that seems like a ton of Americans.

They are probably people that provide goods & services to the other Americans (soldiers, mercs, embassy workers).

trucutru fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Aug 19, 2021

# ? Aug 19, 2021 06:30

Sedisp: Jun 20, 2012

https://www.mediamatters.org/media/3964041

Go to 2:50 lol.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 06:43

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

EU foreign Minister Joseph Borell really setting the priorities for where his head�s at, I will translate what he said:-

https://twitter.com/ajabreaking/status/1428255401242472451?s=21

�Borrell: What happened in Afghanistan is a disaster and no one expected the Taliban to gain control so quickly�

https://twitter.com/ajabreaking/status/1428256531896733699?s=21

� Borrell: We are afraid of waves of Afghan refugees flowing to Europe and have made proposals in this regard �

https://twitter.com/ajabreaking/status/1428256783735349255?s=21

Borrell: We have to continue talking to the Taliban despite the lack of political recognition of it�

https://twitter.com/ajabreaking/status/1428258168723984390?s=21

� Borrell: The important thing now is not to allow Russia and China to control Afghanistan�

# ? Aug 19, 2021 08:42

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Man, if we just hadn't spent the last 20 years failing to control Afghanistan this wouldn't have happened!

# ? Aug 19, 2021 08:53

Cocaine Bear: Nov 4, 2011; ACAB

Lol.

"get our people out!"

Star flying people to EU/USA

"nonononononono not what I meant!"

What a bunch of ghouls. Godspeed Afghanistan. Here's to a better future as peacefully as possible. No harm being optimistic, I guess.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 15:12

Morrow: Oct 31, 2010

Cocaine Bear posted:

Lol.

"get our people out!"

Star flying people to EU/USA

"nonononononono not what I meant!"

What a bunch of ghouls. Godspeed Afghanistan. Here's to a better future as peacefully as possible. No harm being optimistic, I guess.

A better future in Afghanistan disrespects everything our troops fought for.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 15:17

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Cocaine Bear posted:

Lol.

"get our people out!"

Star flying people to EU/USA

"nonononononono not what I meant!"

What a bunch of ghouls. Godspeed Afghanistan. Here's to a better future as peacefully as possible. No harm being optimistic, I guess.

i do like that its gonna cause more insane rage in the GOP and make them chase another issue in the stupidist ways possible.

yeah. i do hope that afganistan has a more peaceful stable future. but watching the various vice videos from a couple weeks/months ago about life in taliban territories makes it sounds like its gonna be just as awful and backwards but this time kids can play soccer sometimes and sometimes women can do some school. TV/music/etc is still banned and severely punished plus the hosed up court poo poo. maybe folks will get lucky and they will moderate out after having to absorb the cities.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 15:53

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i do like that its gonna cause more insane rage in the GOP and make them chase another issue in the stupidist ways possible.

yeah. i do hope that afganistan has a more peaceful stable future. but watching the various vice videos from a couple weeks/months ago about life in taliban territories makes it sounds like its gonna be just as awful and backwards but this time kids can play soccer sometimes and sometimes women can do some school. TV/music/etc is still banned and severely punished plus the hosed up court poo poo. maybe folks will get lucky and they will moderate out after having to absorb the cities.

It's more they will have to moderate to retain the technocrats they'll need for international integration.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 17:09

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

holy poo poo america lost TWO THOUSAND armoured Vehicles to the taliban:-

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1428386996473507842?s=20

thats a fuckload of armour

# ? Aug 19, 2021 17:11

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

I wonder if we'll be making any kind of deals with them to let us blow up some of the stuff in return for unfreezing some of their assets or removing some sanctions.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 17:12

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

holy poo poo america lost TWO THOUSAND armoured Vehicles to the taliban:-

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1428386996473507842?s=20

thats a fuckload of armour

These armoured vehicles are MRAPs, which are basically big armored trucks.

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Angry_Ed: Mar 30, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Sinteres posted:

I wonder if we'll be making any kind of deals with them to let us blow up some of the stuff in return for unfreezing some of their assets or removing some sanctions.

Nah it'll be something really stupid like cutting a deal to sell parts to them.

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