Auspol Pre Election: Mama Mia

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freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

EoinCannon posted:

The ABC article seems to be saying this was expected as a result of 13 day tests coming back or something, I dunno, scary number though

https://twitter.com/Riksplosive/status/1428131176447758338

Still, thanks Gladys

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# ? Aug 19, 2021 00:45

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

681

# ? Aug 19, 2021 02:01

Animal Friend: Sep 7, 2011

gay picnic defence posted:

57 in vic, thanks Gladys

those are baby numbers compared to the gold standard

# ? Aug 19, 2021 02:03

go_banana: Oct 13, 2010

1000+ daily by the end of the month, lets do this :getin:

# ? Aug 19, 2021 02:09

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

loving infuriating to listen to Gladys keep saying "well other states will have to face this" as though turning the Delta tap on early was part of some grand plan, or as though NSW is somehow in a better situation than other states

# ? Aug 19, 2021 02:45

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

gladys got called out on not locking down harder earlier again and just said something about how it was likely spreading unbeknownst to anyone at the start of the outbreak.

yeah no poo poo moron. you think? thats why you slam the fucker shut immediately like NZ just did.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 02:46

Periphery: Jul 27, 2003; ...

Gladys was only 7 cases off being officially worse than Victoria despite having the ~*'Harshest Lockdown in the country'*~.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:08

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Periphery posted:

Gladys was only 7 cases off being officially worse than Victoria despite having the ~*'Harshest Lockdown in the country'*~.

double diamond club standard

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:17

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Did they all walk out mid question again?

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:18

dr_rat: Jun 4, 2001

I think this latest outbreak has really shown this countries desperate need for a remote quarantine island.

But you know just for the NSW liberal government.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:23

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Periphery posted:

Gladys was only 7 cases off being officially worse than Victoria despite having the ~*'Harshest Lockdown in the country'*~.

Being somewhat fair, delta is far harder to deal with than Vic covid was, it's not an apples to apples comparison and it makes Vic rightly look even dumber that we hosed up babby covid so bad.

That said how NSW ever thought they could get away with less measures than what it took to kill babby covid, with Vic and the rest of the world setting clear examples is beyond me.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:24

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

dr_rat posted:

I think this latest outbreak has really shown the need for a remote quarantine island.

But you know just for the NSW liberal government.

It�s called Australia op

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:24

snickothemule: Jul 11, 2016; wretched single ply might as well use my socks

NZ mentioned they've got 11 cases from that 1 dude already, thank gently caress they locked down so fast.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:27

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

just set up a COVID Secure Environment on Christmas Island

someone see if covidse.cx is available

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:29

dr_rat: Jun 4, 2001

Solemn Sloth posted:

It�s called Australia op

Oh.

Can we at least change our national flag to one of those rad plague flags then?

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:34

Horizon Burning: Oct 23, 2019

it owns that old mate gladys will face no justice for this and will continue to continue on being weird-looking, making bad calls, siccing counter-terrorist teams on internet idiots, etc.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:39

BrigadierSensible: Feb 16, 2012; I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Something else I have noticed with the NSW Gladys press conferences is that she is constantly throwing the blame on "people who are doing the wrong thing".
Constantly victim blaming, and thinking the solution is to throw more police at the problem, rather than lock down properly and proportionately to the spreading plague wildfire.

Does she think, (or want us to think), that NSW is just less law abiding than the rest of the country who manages to handle their lockdowns better due to us being nice boys and girls?

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:42

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

dr_rat posted:

Oh. Can we at least change our national flag to one of those rad plague flags then?

Lol Palmer United party colours make a lot more sense now

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:45

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

BrigadierSensible posted:

Something else I have noticed with the NSW Gladys press conferences is that she is constantly throwing the blame on "people who are doing the wrong thing".
Constantly victim blaming, and thinking the solution is to throw more police at the problem, rather than lock down properly and proportionately to the spreading plague wildfire.

Does she think, (or want us to think), that NSW is just less law abiding than the rest of the country who manages to handle their lockdowns better due to us being nice boys and girls?

Yeah that gets me. They keep positioning it as the state is failing the government.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:46

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Eediot Jedi posted:

Yeah that gets me. They keep positioning it as the state is failing the government.

"All I did was spend the past 18 months talking about how lockdowns aren't necessary, why aren't people respecting the lockdown?!"

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:57

PalaNIN: Sep 19, 2004; LRLRRRLLRRLRLRLRRLRLR

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08...post-1202981646

The amount of exceptions and loopholes in NSW rules are huge. Strict lockdown my rear end.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:57

dr_rat: Jun 4, 2001

Eediot Jedi posted:

Yeah that gets me. They keep positioning it as the state is failing the government.

Look if everyone just decided not to live in NSW then they couldn't catch covid there. Obviously blames on them :colbert:

But yeah 100%. Like I know a governments never going to take blame for anything, but if you are to blame at least have the common loving decency to just shut up and try and fix the problem.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 03:57

Centusin: Aug 5, 2009

BrigadierSensible posted:

Something else I have noticed with the NSW Gladys press conferences is that she is constantly throwing the blame on "people who are doing the wrong thing".
Constantly victim blaming, and thinking the solution is to throw more police at the problem, rather than lock down properly and proportionately to the spreading plague wildfire.

Does she think, (or want us to think), that NSW is just less law abiding than the rest of the country who manages to handle their lockdowns better due to us being nice boys and girls?

Also they were still blaming people today but then the deputy chief health officer said this

quote:

And so, one of the major drivers of the higher case numbers that we�re seeing in the areas of south-western Sydney and western Sydney is larger households that we�re seeing.

We�re seeing younger people and those who are often those authorised workers, those people that provide essential services, who work in aged care, work in disability, who work in healthcare settings, who work in factories, work in shopping centres. And so, transmission is happening between workplaces and households.

So for the vast majority of people, it�s not anybody doing the wrong thing. It�s what we are seeing with the Delta variant that is so highly transmissible.

They've said it before so it's not surprising but they still haven't told us if they are actually doing anything about it other than getting them vaccinated. We all know Vic had a spread in essential worker problem, and we also know that they did things that worked and told everyone about them. But NSW is just going to fine people sitting on benches for too long, talk about the number of penalties given and seemingly never address the thing that they keep saying is the actual problem.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:04

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

What's the current payment situation in NSW to allow people to be off work?

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:06

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

I think most people are now generally doing the right thing, its just that as pointed out by that reporter, there is 8 million people in NSW, 400 people doing the 'the wrong thing' seems inevitable. you arent going to achieve 100% compliance. and our daily transmission rates and infections probably cannot be avoided with the businesses that are still open and have to remain open.

and really its not those 400 people copping the fines that are actually spreading the virus either. most of the infections are coming from house holds which implies it is people that are actually complying with restrictions.

to make out like its a compliance issue is simply laying the blame on the public that has a lot of external forces acting on it and largely out of their control. a lot of people cannot just stop going to work, or work from home.

the people breaching the health orders should be fined but they arent the ones spreading the virus. its the people who are working in roles that dont have a choice and then taking it home to their household and I dont know how anyone can expect that to slow down without actually shutting down entirely and locking everyone inside with food supplies for two weeks.

even an all out lockdown still leaves super markets, food and servos open.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:12

Regular Wario: Mar 27, 2010; Slippery Tilde

PalaNIN posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08...post-1202981646

The amount of exceptions and loopholes in NSW rules are huge. Strict lockdown my rear end.

I could technically go 15kms to Costco and shop because they have goods that I cannot get within the 5km shopping limit.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:13

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

BrigadierSensible posted:

Something else I have noticed with the NSW Gladys press conferences is that she is constantly throwing the blame on "people who are doing the wrong thing".
Constantly victim blaming, and thinking the solution is to throw more police at the problem, rather than lock down properly and proportionately to the spreading plague wildfire.

Does she think, (or want us to think), that NSW is just less law abiding than the rest of the country who manages to handle their lockdowns better due to us being nice boys and girls?

My favourite Gladys blameshifting is when she shits on people for not being fully vaccinated who literally could not have been fully vaccinated by that point because of eligibility.

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bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

got me first az jab. if i stop posting after this i've been perma'd by the big lowtax in the sky

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:16

perepelki: Dec 11, 2020; know before Whom you stand

rip belljar, lighting one up for a good one

unrelated:
https://twitter.com/RandaAFattah/status/1428137192459620355

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:54

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

lmao the army are guarding qlds nsw border now, federation dissolving when?

# ? Aug 19, 2021 04:54

snickothemule: Jul 11, 2016; wretched single ply might as well use my socks

Gladys living the Liberal wet dream of being able to blame poors for her problems everyday, openly and without shame.

Also extended lockdown for regional NSW until 28th. No cases where I am, but because she can't control her feral rich children strutting about the place we all gotta suffer.

Sister, her husband and baby locked down for 2 months now.

Amazing what happens when the worst generation is at the helm.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:03

x1o: Aug 5, 2005; My focus is UNPARALLELED!

SuddenCactus posted:

I could technically go 15kms to Costco and shop because they have goods that I cannot get within the 5km shopping limit.

That was the same rule in Victoria as well with its 5km limit.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:04

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

Senor Tron posted:

What's the current payment situation in NSW to allow people to be off work?

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/campaign/covid-19-help-businesses/grants-loans-and-financial-assistance

Uh....

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/harebrained-idea-secret-plan-to-commercialise-state-s-public-transport-roads-20210818-p58joa.html

quote:

The NSW government seriously considered commercialising the entire public transport and road networks to artificially inflate the state budget by hiding billions of dollars in costs.
A highly confidential report for the government by consultancy giant PwC reveals that corporatising the state�s transport networks was deemed the best option to plug a multi-billion dollar budget black hole from a shell corporation it had created.

The state�s ferries, trains, light rail, buses and roads, worth tens of billions of dollars, would be placed into a commercial corporation with a board and management independent of the government.
The leaked PwC report, obtained by the Herald, reveals that commercialising the entire transport network would not adversely impact customers but could create tensions in the organisation between safety and turning a profit.
The report sheds new light on the growing concerns aired privately at the highest levels of government about the Transport Asset Holding Entity, which culminated in the sacking without reason of Transport for NSW boss Rodd Staples last November.

A Herald investigation revealed in June that TAHE was set up in 2015 to enable the government to hide the costs of the state�s rail system. It prompted former NSW Auditor-General Tony Harris to describe the entity as a financial mirage that had bolstered the government�s operating result by more than $30 billion over the past six years �through an accounting gimmick�.

Labor finance spokesman Daniel Mookhey said the PwC report showed how desperate the government was to �prop up its TAHE budget trick�. �Turning Transport for NSW into a for-profit corporation is a harebrained idea. In truth, TAHE is a budget bomb. If the government tries to operate it, the public will fork out billions. But if they unwind it, the budget will be smashed,� he said.

The cover-up of a �financial mirage� that has inflated the NSW budget and may put rail safety at risk

TAHE was set up in 2015 to bolster the budget by taking costs off the government�s balance sheet into a shell corporation. However, changes to Australian accounting standards in 2018 put TAHE at risk.

Under the new rules, TAHE had to show it was truly independent of the government and turning profits. If it failed to do this, it would cost the budget $2.4 billion a year, according to the PwC report.
To avoid the budget hit, PwC considered five business models for TAHE and Transport and Treasury settled on the corporatisation of the entire network as the �preferred option�.
But it warned that corporatising the entire transport network faced a series of �high risk� roadblocks, including upheaval of the transport agency�s heavily unionised workforce, potential safety risks and political opposition.

The report, completed in December 2019, said if these �showstoppers� could not be overcome, unwinding TAHE was �expected to be the likely best alternative�. It warned that dismantling TAHE would still cost the state budget more than $8 billion over four years. The confidential PwC report shows NSW Treasury officials went as far as requesting special exemptions from the country�s accounting standards board to prop up the budget.

�Treasury has explored alternative avenues to resolve the impact of [standards] ... [including] a discussion with the [accounting standards board] to have this standard not apply to government-to-government transactions,� it states.
But a Treasury spokesperson rejected this, saying it had �never sought special exemptions from the Australian Accounting Standards Board on TAHE�.

The PwC report also warned that turning Transport for NSW into a state-owned corporation risked �driving conflicts� between the objectives of making money and safety of the public transport network.
�Past incidents in the UK demonstrated the impact of prioritising commercial outcomes over safety,� it said.
A whistleblower close to the discussions, who sought anonymity, said the PwC findings resulted in Treasury and Transport for NSW agreeing in December 2019 that TAHE was �dead, buried and cremated� because the risks were too great.
But two months later, NSW Treasury commissioned an arm of KPMG to look for alternatives.

�Treasury went doctor shopping and came back with KPMG, ending the pre-Christmas agreement that it was time to tell the truth on TAHE,� the whistleblower said.
Despite misgivings within Transport for NSW, TAHE officially became a state-owned corporation in July last year, taking control of $40 billion of the state�s rail assets. After missing critical deadlines in its transition to a fully-fledged commercial entity, it is still not financially viable and is yet to appoint a permanent CEO.

The Herald can confirm the NSW Auditor-General is yet to get certain documents it has requested, including the PwC report. It made TAHE an area of focus and recently decided it will conduct a performance audit into the entity.
Under questioning at a budget estimates hearing on Wednesday, Department of Premier and Cabinet secretary Tim Reardon said there was �certainly a contest of views� on establishing TAHE, when asked whether the heads of Transport for NSW and Treasury were in dispute about it last March.

A spokesman for Treasurer Dominic Perrottet said he had not received advice from NSW Treasury recommending that TAHE be unwound.
�The NSW government remains committed to TAHE as a fiscally sustainable state-owned corporation to deliver better service outcomes at a lower cost, while also having a net contribution to the state budget,� the spokesman said.

The spokesman said NSW Treasury did not engage PwC to prepare a report on TAHE, and had not presented such a report to the Treasurer.

Treasury said the advice from PwC was commissioned by Transport for NSW and was �not material� to the work it had undertaken. �NSW Treasury has never advised, agreed to, or recommended to government to unwind TAHE,� it said.
Transport for NSW said both it and Treasury considered a range of advice in the development and implementation of TAHE.
A spokesperson for Transport Minister Andrew Constance said the government regularly considered a range of advice before implementing new policies, and that TAHE would have �no impact on safety, operations or maintenance activities�.

Halo14 fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Aug 19, 2021

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:05

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

snickothemule posted:

Gladys living the Liberal wet dream of being able to blame poors for her problems everyday, openly and without shame.

Also extended lockdown for regional NSW until 28th. No cases where I am, but because she can't control her feral rich children strutting about the place we all gotta suffer.

Sister, her husband and baby locked down for 2 months now.

Amazing what happens when the worst generation is at the helm.

Hate to break it to you but Gladys isn�t a boomer she�s Gen X all the way babbbby

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:08

Regular Wario: Mar 27, 2010; Slippery Tilde

x1o posted:

That was the same rule in Victoria as well with its 5km limit.

I understand the rule, like you might have to go 10kms to get a specific medicine or something but it can very easily be abused.

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:14

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Going to Mildura cause the glen waverley maccas had the wrong happy meal toy

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:15

TammyHEH: Dec 11, 2013; Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Solemn Sloth posted:

Hate to break it to you but Gladys isn’t a boomer she’s Gen X all the way babbbby

The second worst generation

# ? Aug 19, 2021 05:17

Hashy: Nov 20, 2005

It's clear this is going to explode so I guess I'm getting the clot juice despite my various blood disorders. Nobody in my town has Pfizer available even for those whose doctors recommend stay away from AZ.

Interesting to weigh up two hard to quantify risks of fatal consequence.

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Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

jeez nsw is rushing for 700

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