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Biowarfare posted:how loving absurdly underpaid are you that you can get 8x what you make When I went from EMS to EHS I quadrupled my hourly rate and went from 48 hours a week to 60-72. Then again EMS is underpaid as gently caress
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champagne posting posted:At 8x my salary I would do some truly heinous poo poo. gently caress I'd be brand manager at Palantir Honestly, I'd go back to the coal mine for 8 times minimum wage, much less my current wage.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:28
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Biowarfare posted:how loving absurdly underpaid are you that you can get 8x what you make Lol I make barely more than the person doing order entry. I am paid hourly. I was originally hired as an admin and failed upward rapidly in a dying small business in a failing market sector.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:38
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I never understood why people didn't just give raises instead of the sole way to get cost of living increases being to job hop every year. Why would you want to waste all the money you spent training them, all the efficiency gains from the people that know your business best and can do things quickly because they already know how things are done, over a few dollars an hour
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Aug 18, 2021 23:39
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Also never work in tech or sales for a small business unless you really, really like the abuse. I'm happy to see light at the end of the tunnel.
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Biowarfare posted:I never understood why people didn't just give raises instead of the sole way to get cost of living increases being to job hop every year. Why would you want to waste all the money you spent training them, all the efficiency gains from the people that know your business best and can do things quickly because they already know how things are done, over a few dollars an hour Because they think they can save a few bucks an hour hiring someone cheaper. And they don't value what you do.
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Aug 18, 2021 23:48
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Biowarfare posted:I never understood why people didn't just give raises instead of the sole way to get cost of living increases being to job hop every year. Why would you want to waste all the money you spent training them, all the efficiency gains from the people that know your business best and can do things quickly because they already know how things are done, over a few dollars an hour Because any kind of cuts can be explained as x money * y time = I saved the company texa$. Any paying talent to retain it can be pointed at the same way but you cost the company money. You can't graph how this employee is holding everything together in a PowerPoint. If you go the cut route you're promoted away from the impending failure you've caused. Blame your replacement or switch jobs. And it works at all levels because there's no loyalty without pensions so who gives a gently caress if the company I worked at 3 jobs ago is dying because I gutted it as a spring board. Top level bonuses should have a clawback if the company implodes.
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Aug 19, 2021 00:01
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Today two of my co-workers explained in earnest why it should be legal to run over protesters if they are in “the way.” Edit: “what about my right to travel, bro?”
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Aug 19, 2021 00:03
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champagne posting posted:At 8x my salary I would do some truly heinous poo poo. gently caress I'd be brand manager at Palantir Yeah that's a bit weird. If I was paid 8x my current salary I would retire in a few years from the investments I would make alone. They must be at a minimum wage/starter or intern wage. edit: I'd suck dick all day for 8x my current salary Lascivious Sloth fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Aug 19, 2021 00:43
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Yeah that's a bit weird. If I was paid 8x my current salary I would retire in a few years from the investments I would make alone. They must be at a minimum wage/starter or intern wage. gently caress that I'm gonna be a supervillain
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Aug 19, 2021 00:46
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Yeah that's a bit weird. If I was paid 8x my current salary I would retire in a few years from the investments I would make alone. They must be at a minimum wage/starter or intern wage. It is not. It is a poo poo tier small business in hospitality.
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Aug 19, 2021 00:56
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Yeah that's a bit weird. If I was paid 8x my current salary I would retire in a few years from the investments I would make alone. They must be at a minimum wage/starter or intern wage. Ehhh that may not be feasible, if you were making so little that you can octuple your yearly income in one job move at least the first year or so can go towards digging out of any financial hole you were in.
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Yeah if you octuple the (USA) Federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr, you’d be making $58/hr. That’s middle to upper-middle class money depending on what part of the country you live in but it’s not gently caress-off-to-a-yacht money.
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Aug 19, 2021 04:52
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Mormon Nailer posted:Lol I have an interview with a brand we distribute. My boss doesn't know. He's not gonna know unless he gets an email from me with @thebrand.com. Go get it! Good luck!
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Steakandchips posted:Go get it! Good luck! Go get paid!
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Aug 19, 2021 08:59
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I got passed to the next round of interviews. I would be going back to my previous industry and getting paid software money again, whereas right now I'm paid basically mid-tier administrative assistant at a small business in the US money, while doing a lot of things at a sub-ten-person company. Compensation range for potential new job is in line with previous jobs I had before my life exploded, I moved 3000 miles and had to take this job to scratch by.
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champagne posting posted:Go get paid! Heh, yessssss
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Aug 19, 2021 11:21
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Also, I know y'all are mostly engineers, but laying this out: People in hospitality and hospitality connected industries including distribution and logistics are paid much less and overworked basically to the point of breaking at all times, but especially currently. There are not benefits offered generally at all, you are kept to less than full time hours on a schedule but often work 60+ hours a week, your title does not come with additional compensation, and bonuses are things that happen to other people. I've worked in a distribution office the entire pandemic, plus six months before that. I do everything from direct order management to sales negotiation to doing software and hardware support to being the administrator for our ERP. It's a lot of hats, I am very tired and I really look forward to not getting 4am emails with someone screaming they're out of product X and we HAVE to overnight it RIGHT NOW or else we all get poo poo canned. I would have walked earlier but live in one of those places that you can't get unemployment if you quit, and they will fight you on it if you try. And I don't currently have the kind of support network that would let me do that with any sort of safety net because of aforementioned life explosion. So I'm applying for things and sending out lifelines and one maybe came through. I have a different interview lined up with a different place Friday afternoon post-work; again, a previous industry and role I've held, touching computers primarily, with benefits and compensation in line with what I previously made, fully remote, with actual equipment provided.
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Aug 19, 2021 11:26
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Good luck and goonspeed to a better job 
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Aug 19, 2021 13:54
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There's never been a better time to get you some in logistics and seemingly hospitality than right now. Lots of angles to make a move or get a wage and benefit check because they just can't keep these positions filled right now.
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I've straight up told people that if they have the skills and land another job, just loving walk, it's not worth staying in this loving industry.
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Mormon Nailer posted:Also, I know y'all are mostly engineers, but laying this out: Burn this idiot system to the ground. I have to fight to pay staff a living wage and it might not even be feasible in the long run.
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Outrail posted:Burn this idiot system to the ground. I have to fight to pay staff a living wage and it might not even be feasible in the long run. Yup. They worked my last order processing/customer service person so hard they had a mental breakdown at work and got picked up by their spouse and we never heard from them again. I did their last paycheck via direct deposit as soon as payroll hit. My boss still poo poo talks them, about how they're "just aren't dedicated to the cause." Bruh, we sell people boxes and the boxes go in the truck and the trucks go to hubs and then to other trucks and then people use the thing and throw it away. It's not like we're loving out here saving lives. It's literally creating more waste that leads to the heat death of the universe in an industry that should be focused on safety but is instead saying "sure thing, bring your deadly viruses here!!!!" I hate this poo poo.
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Aug 19, 2021 15:45
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I just asked for a day off so I can go have a tooth pulled that I broke grinding my teeth. I was told "we can't really spare anyone right now." Just a few more weeks.
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zedprime posted:There's never been a better time to get you some in logistics and seemingly hospitality than right now. Lots of angles to make a move or get a wage and benefit check because they just can't keep these positions filled right now. This isn't even a hospitality thing. Want a substantial raise? Leave your company and go to a new one. Your current company is not interested in paying you what you think you're worth. Either enjoy your quality of life like 2% raise every year, or you can go somewhere else and just make 15%-20% more out the gate to deal with the same bullshit.
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Mormon Nailer posted:I just asked for a day off so I can go have a tooth pulled that I broke grinding my teeth. I was told "we can't really spare anyone right now." Can you take it as a sick day (where they pay you of course), without asking to take a sick day, and just tell them you are taking a sick day?
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vyst posted:This isn't even a hospitality thing. Want a substantial raise? Leave your company and go to a new one. Your current company is not interested in paying you what you think you're worth. Either enjoy your quality of life like 2% raise every year, or you can go somewhere else and just make 15%-20% more out the gate to deal with the same bullshit.
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Mormon Nailer posted:I just asked for a day off so I can go have a tooth pulled that I broke grinding my teeth. I was told "we can't really spare anyone right now." Dang, that is bad. Would you be able to just say "urgent medical issue" for the day off? I mean it's true. After tinkering with obscure options in a program critical to my company I figured out a way to complete a task that was going to take a week of manual data entry in about an hour. I was about to share this super helpful info, then realized as I have no backup there is no one who would be interested. Just throw it in the silo of institutional knowledge to be lost when I (hopefully) transfer out.
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Mormon Nailer posted:I just asked for a day off so I can go have a tooth pulled that I broke grinding my teeth. I was told "we can't really spare anyone right now." An entire underprivileged class has power they have never had in decades if not forever and they've been conditioned from birth to have no idea how to exercise it.
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They straight up fired someone who had a miscarriage this week, so, yeah they do have the balls. They genuinely do not give a gently caress about humans, this is why I'm trying to get out.
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Aug 19, 2021 16:47
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zedprime posted:I think the problem here is going to be once they get done firing everybody for illegal reasons they aren't gonna get any valuable work done and they'll go bankrupt before they pay out for any lawsuits. Yes exactly, it's circling the drain hard and fast. They lost three major contracts due to my boss literally telling people to go gently caress themselves over and over.
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At will employment is a hell of a thing. So long as the employer finds a different reason to say they fired you there isn't much you can do. It can be complete nonsense, so long as the reason they list isn't discriminatory the employee is pretty much just screwed.
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Florida is an at will work state just in case you thought the state deserved a faster descent into the Atlantic.
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Lazyfire posted:At will employment is a hell of a thing. So long as the employer finds a different reason to say they fired you there isn't much you can do. It can be complete nonsense, so long as the reason they list isn't discriminatory the employee is pretty much just screwed. E. If you're really paranoid, save your perf evaluations, save any positive communications or communications about protected stuff with your boss. Don't save demerits etc. The company might lose them and you'll be pissed at yourself when your own copies end up in legal discovery. You can roll over the dolts who give you 4 positive evaluations in a row and then list the reason as 'performance.' zedprime fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Lol. We don't have HR. We have my boss, who owns the C-corp.
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Also what performance evaluations? I get screamed at. That's it. I sold a multi million dollar contract and got told I don't know how to sell and that I'm stupid, and also, I still get paid hourly with no commission. This is what people don't get. I mean small business, sub ten people, in hospitality. We sell stuff to hotels. It's a pandemic and supply chains are hosed.
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Mormon Nailer posted:Also what performance evaluations? I get screamed at. That's it. I sold a multi million dollar contract and got told I don't know how to sell and that I'm stupid, and also, I still get paid hourly with no commission.
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Mormon Nailer posted:Also, I know y'all are mostly engineers, but laying this out: Believe me, most of us are aware of just how lucky our situation is, as much as we bitch about it. vyst posted:Florida is an at will work state just in case you thought the state deserved a faster descent into the Atlantic. This is every state except Montana though, as long as you're smart enough to not say it's for a protected reason.
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