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BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

e X posted:

The fact that the simple statement "porn of real life people is kinda weird" has people immediately barging into thread to declare that it isn't illegal and how banning it wouldn't work is pretty funny.
I didn't barge in, the door was open :colbert:

e: what a snipe

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Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

pentyne posted:

So, Onlyfans is planning to eliminate pornographic content soon because they want that sweet, sweet investor cash.

Surely there's no way this could backfire on them, a massive content hosting platform that suddenly tries to go clean to raise their stock price.

lmfao, literally never learn. After much deliberation, we here at Pornhub are retooling the site into a stock market ticker.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
people who are attracted to naked women and/or naked men are all freaks and degenerates imo

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
put some pants on and contribute to society I say

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

The people at the very top who made that decision are gonna leave the company while carrying comically large sacks with dollar bill signs on them.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

DeafNote posted:

I liked the songs in it, and I like the story it tries to tell.
Pity its based on real people.

Edit: Terrible Hamilton page snipe.

This was my take too. "This thing really bops and is fun as hell... oh right, everyone who it's about is actually a huge monster. Oh well."

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude

fun hater posted:

the change to onlyfans' policies comes as a result of the campaign exodus cry, an anti-sex charismatic christian organization, waged on porntube that resulted in credit card companies cutting mindgeek's revenue source. payment processors are notoriously and openly unwilling to work with platforms that host adult media either as a result of personal company policy or because of sesta/fosta. this insane conspiracy theory where people just assume they are throwing away a website that literally prints money for absolutely no reason makes no sense if you think about it for a second lol

e: additionally the change to tumblr was for the same reason with the double combo of apple's draconian sex platforming policies

How exactly does this Christian group exerts pressure? Like apparently the influences MasterCard, I just wonder what exactly did they do?

Kamrat
Nov 27, 2012

Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off
I want to thank the person linking that "Adam Something" guy, I've been missing that kind of content ever since DoNotEat stopped producing quality stuff.

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



iirc the pornhub thing was like, a petition to shut down porn hub that got like 2 million signatures which then lead to this article getting posted in the opinion section of the NY times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html


which was enough bad publicity that mastercard and visa cut services.

egg tats
Apr 3, 2010

e X posted:

How exactly does this Christian group exerts pressure? Like apparently the influences MasterCard, I just wonder what exactly did they do?

in this case specifically they convinced an American politician to start an inquiry into csa on onlyfans. this is the same woman who was behind sesta/fosta!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4avpe3/ann-wagner-fosta-onlyfans-csam-doj-letter

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

e X posted:

How exactly does this Christian group exerts pressure? Like apparently the influences MasterCard, I just wonder what exactly did they do?

They get a lot of free media attention by always claiming everything is sexual abuse or human trafficking and have deep pockets from fundie supporters. Politicians don't want to object to it because they're worried about being smeared as pro-sex slavery. With all the Qanon Adenochrome baby eating propoganda it's such a popular smear that no one wants to go "you moralizing assholes are hurting real people" because sex work/workers are still considered acceptable targets for scorn, derision, and public humiliation.

Like, the reality is complex, but in general SOESTA and FOESTA were a problem for law enforcement because they lost a ton of sources of information for busting sex criminals, especially the customers. It was a huge problem for the sex workers because it pushed them onto more unreliable and sketchy sites and made it harder to do business in any safe manner.

The online payment processors also get the final say, and that's basically a monopoly of the big 3/4 who all agree to do the same thing for sex services and sex sites. Even for regular banking it's a problem as adult actors and sex workers have said banks have closed out their accounts and shut down business lines of credit when they find out it's for a sex business, even a legal one.

Violet_Sky
Dec 5, 2011



Fun Shoe
Tumblr was a good place to go for porn

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

volts5000 posted:

Pat Finnerty put out another "What Makes This Song Stink" about Train's "Hey Soul Sister". Yes, he does call out the "I'm so gangsta. I'm so thug" and "untrimmed chest" lyrics. It ends with a great cover of Ini Kamoze's "Here Comes the Hotstepper".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JeAfVoA_iE

I finally got to watch this and it's really good. You have to let go of the idea that it's actually going to analyze the song and why it's bad. It's a song analysis video in the same sense that Space Ghost Coast To Coast is a late-night talk show. He does get in a few good jabs at the song, but mostly it's not about that, it's just an absurdist comedy piece that blurs the lines between video essay, documentary, and mockumentary.

volts5000
Apr 7, 2009

It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.

Sir Lemming posted:

I finally got to watch this and it's really good. You have to let go of the idea that it's actually going to analyze the song and why it's bad. It's a song analysis video in the same sense that Space Ghost Coast To Coast is a late-night talk show. He does get in a few good jabs at the song, but mostly it's not about that, it's just an absurdist comedy piece that blurs the lines between video essay, documentary, and mockumentary.

I kept laughing at The Moose gag because that is exactly why I have a hard time listening to terrestrial radio anymore. Listen to it long enough and it's the same loving thing over and over again!

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Violet_Sky posted:

Tumblr was a good place to go for porn

Yeah, well Tumblr sure took care of that problem... "Oh wait, we've lost all of our users and revenue now, gently caress."

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


IronicDongz posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ

a look into the absolutely insane exploitation that exists in roblox, the freemium game development website that takes a cut of 75.5% of the earnings of games made by (mostly young)developers, and then also doesn't let them convert their earnings into real money without taking another cut

Do I understand this correctly: if Roblox creators want a payout of the money they've earned, they get 35% of 24.5% of the total revenue they've brought in? This really is like digital scrip except for children.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Srice posted:

The people running Onlyfans are definitely looking for that short term gain. It's dumb if you think about it from a long term perspective where they could make made a fortune for years and years for almost no effort, but it makes perfect sense if you think about it from the perspective of someone who just wants a guaranteed big payout asap when they get more venture capital and/or get bought out by some big corporation. Real lovely for the folks currently making a living for the site though!

:hai:

It's really not this time; They've apparently got ChexSystems looking over their shoulder as well as Visa/Mastercard, and if ChexSystems decide to ban you you don't get to have an American bank account ever again. There's not a lot you can do against that.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah the reality is this isnt because of onlyfans wanting investorcash its because mastercard/visa/etc are playing morality police. same reason pornhub slashed and burned 99% of the content on their site.

TheFlyingLlama posted:

officially they're just banning "explicit sexual content" and not nudes. Practically this is probably going to mean "we reserve the right to bring down anyone's channel that we want, but celebrities can still make bank selling softcore".
patreon ostensibly banned porn but you can still find a ton of it on there, itll just work the same way. the people will have to come up with more circuitous method of giving you your sexy naruto cosplay selfies that youve paid for (for instance, download links to a folder of softcore images that has a text file in it that coincidentally has links to downloads of the full on nudity/pornographic material) and occasionally the hammer of god will smack down anyone for completely arbitrary reasons (patreon for instance defines 'yuri', a completely normal japanese term for depictions of lesbian relationships, as 'pornographic' and has smacked several artists who dont even do porn for it). i doubt itll be full tumblr style burning the library of alexandria, itll just turn into a clusterfuck with vaguely defined rules where random people get their content blammed.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Aug 20, 2021

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


Endorph posted:

yeah the reality is this isnt because of onlyfans wanting investorcash its because mastercard/visa/etc are playing morality police. same reason pornhub slashed and burned 99% of the content on their site.

Wasn't this the result of them overcorrecting in response to the child pornography crackdown? I could be misremembering.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




JordanKai posted:

Wasn't this the result of them overcorrecting in response to the child pornography crackdown? I could be misremembering.

I thought that was what tumblr did (incompetently) and pornhub's thing was about like, revenge porn and bots or something.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

JordanKai posted:

Wasn't this the result of them overcorrecting in response to the child pornography crackdown? I could be misremembering.
the 'child porn crackdown' and the revenge porn/bot crackdown on pornhub were pushed by the same interest groups using those things as cover to make porn illegal

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


One of the top patreons is a porn visual novel but I think Patreon instituted rules that made them cut out the hosed up poo poo weirdos who pay for that kind of thing are into (namely incest).

And jesus christ Tim Dillon makes 170k a month?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Endorph posted:

the 'child porn crackdown' and the revenge porn/bot crackdown on pornhub were pushed by the same interest groups using those things as cover to make porn illegal

I think it's completely disingenious to just sidestep the fact that they didn't do poo poo about the literally criminal content on their websites for years.

CmdrKing
Oct 14, 2012

Maybe if I called it 'Interpretive Stabbing'...
And substantially moreso to pretend that puritanical crusaders give the slightest iota of a poo poo about that when crafting laws that barely address that content but are very, very good at taking a sledge hammer to legitimate, consensual sexual work.

There’s a thousand ways to tackle that problem and it’s telling when the one with maximum collateral damage is what is used.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Credit card companies aren't being prudes when they block payments for porn. Its because porn is notorious for having a lot of chargebacks, and its a giant hassle for them to deal with.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

Ah yeah they should just make it impossible to pay for then, if that's the case.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


IShallRiseAgain posted:

Credit card companies aren't being prudes when they block payments for porn. Its because porn is notorious for having a lot of chargebacks, and its a giant hassle for them to deal with.

Steam has that exact same problem (hell, Steam keys are one of the biggest source of getting money out of stolen CCs), but doesn't face the same consequences.

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Credit card companies aren't being prudes when they block payments for porn. Its because porn is notorious for having a lot of chargebacks, and its a giant hassle for them to deal with.

That's an argument for charging higher fees, which they already do. There is no reason to block porn outright when you can just make them pay more to cover the expenses.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

I'm not defending it or anything, I'm just pointing out the actual motives for blocking payments to porn sites.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
It was actually a porn actress who shot JFK. This is the reason Big Credit Card holds such a grudge.

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I'm not defending it or anything, I'm just pointing out the actual motives for blocking payments to porn sites.

The point is that blocking payment to porn sites have nothing to do with chargebacks, since that just leads to higher processing fees. Porn sites have always paid more to payment processors to cover chargeback risks. Blocking payment entirely is a recent development.

Spek
Jun 15, 2012

Bagel!

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I'm not defending it or anything, I'm just pointing out the actual motives for blocking payments to porn sites.

Chargebacks have long been blamed for it, and I've repeated the same reasoning before. But it's looking more and more like that's primarily a smokescreen that has been used to cover up influence of christian moralists.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



The only time chargebacks were actually oppressive enough to force a business change was in Diablo 3's real money auction house of all things. It alone accounted for 95% of all chargebacks across all US credit cards during the time it was active. Porn is not even remotely comparable.

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I'm not defending it or anything, I'm just pointing out the actual motives for blocking payments to porn sites.

That isn't the actual motive, though. It's the political pressure from fundie christian special interest groups.

Turpitude II
Nov 10, 2014

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I'm not defending it or anything, I'm just pointing out the actual motives for blocking payments to porn sites.

no, lol

thread, ft. citations
https://twitter.com/PostCultRev/status/1428584131835748359
https://twitter.com/PostCultRev/status/1428604254898462721

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

Dan talks about Ralph Bakshi's animated adaptation of The Lord of the Rings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr_rb_pitHk

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

KingKalamari posted:

The number of platforms increasingly cracking down on NSFW content, coupled with increasingly stringent laws targeting online porn, is having an increasingly negative effect on independent content creators and self-employed sex workers. It's both a definite push by anti-porn and conservative Christian groups to harm creators of NSFW content and is also a strategy that much more directly harms small content producers (Who, in my own experience are ones much more likely to be abiding by consent ethics as they're typically only sharing content of themselves or of their own creation) over larger porn companies.

I don't often bring this up, but I kind of have a side gig as a NSFW artist and this sort of stuff has been causing a lot of problems of for people in that circle.

Who cares about what conservative christian groups have to say anymore?

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

Grondoth posted:

Who cares about what conservative christian groups have to say anymore?
The majority of the ruling class

egg tats
Apr 3, 2010

Grondoth posted:

Who cares about what conservative christian groups have to say anymore?

the people who control the infrastructure the world uses to move money around

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Old Swerdlow
Jul 24, 2008

Sir Lemming posted:

I finally got to watch this and it's really good. You have to let go of the idea that it's actually going to analyze the song and why it's bad. It's a song analysis video in the same sense that Space Ghost Coast To Coast is a late-night talk show. He does get in a few good jabs at the song, but mostly it's not about that, it's just an absurdist comedy piece that blurs the lines between video essay, documentary, and mockumentary.

I’d believe your stance if the previous three episodes also spent very little time discussing why that episode’s song stunk. I like this guy’s videos but I found he got carried away with all of his gags to the point where he forgot about the main topic of his video was. I still laughed and had fun watching it but I was disappointed that there were very little critique about the song.

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