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DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

Warbadger posted:

Anything, so long as he injures himself with it. Toddlers are wizards when it comes to injuring themselves at peak efficiency.

Again, not dissimilar from bitcoiners.

Please not to mention toddlers and bitcoiners in same breath

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KinkyJohn
Sep 19, 2002

Has anybody said Nonce Cents yet?

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

yeah, now that you mention it, the continuing existence of amway and herbalife suggest that bitcoin will probably be able to sustain itself on new suckers for a long, long time

maybe regulatory actions by the feds would be able to kill it, it seems like their could be more appetite to go after crypto than mlm

MLM is really, really hard to divorce from the idea of capitalistically starting your own business and getting ahead with grit and determination, one of the foundational psychoses of American culture

Crypto is letting your computer burn down California so that it can solve sudokus faster, it's really hard to explain that as anything other than what it is, wasted power and time that occasionally takes down a state government website

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Cryptocurrencies also facilitate ransomware attacks.

Bleusilences
Jun 23, 2004

Be careful for what you wish for.

I think ransomware is what could kill it, once governments has to deal with one too many of those attacks they will finally look at this mess.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Fame Douglas posted:

Cryptocurrencies also facilitate ransomware attacks.

Somfin posted:

that occasionally takes down a state government website

That's what I was referring to, some of those ransomware attacks hit government spaces and that makes government mad

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




Bleusilences posted:

I think ransomware is what could kill it, once governments has to deal with one too many of those attacks they will finally look at this mess.

That has come and gone. John Oliver did a look at Ransomeware hacks last week.

https://youtu.be/WqD-ATqw3js

He highlights the response to the Colonial Pipeline hack, which was basically the government asking the company to pretty please pay the ransom and get the gas flowing again. Amongst various other headline hacks that have made major news and caused huge problems.

Gomez Chamberlain
Mar 22, 2005

Subakh ul kuhar!
https://medium.com/poly-network/latest-updates-aug-17-241398d64a40

quote:

We are also counting on more experts like Mr. White Hat to be involved in the future development of Poly Network since we believe that we share the vision to build a secure and robust distributed system. Also, to extend our thanks and encourage Mr. White Hat to continue contributing to security advancement in the blockchain world together with Poly Network, we cordially invite Mr. White Hat to be the Chief Security Advisor of Poly Network.

quote:

Poly Network previously promised to reward Mr. White Hat with a $500,000 bug bounty, but he did not accept it and has publicly stated that he has considered offering it to the technical community who have made contributions to blockchain security. We fully respect Mr. White Hat’s thoughts, and to express our gratitude, we will still transfer this $500,000 bounty to a wallet address approved by Mr. White Hat for him to use it at his own discretion for the cause of cybersecurity and supporting more projects and individuals.

Ha ha! You got us! This is totally not a ransom payment, just a bug bounty. Come work for us!''

EDIT: lmfao

quote:

Again, it is important to reiterate that Poly Network has no intention of holding Mr. White Hat legally responsible, as we are confident that Mr. White Hat will promptly return full control of the assets to Poly Network and its users.

Gomez Chamberlain fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Aug 19, 2021

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Wait wait wait

Are they calling the hacker mr white hat?

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
If you check my earlier post, there's a twitter post showing the exchanges between the hacker and well, everyone else via the blockchain explorer. Mr White Hat seems to be the term that the hacker came up with when negotiating with PolyNetwork over how to reference him and how to protect him from prosecution while the hacker returns back the money he stole

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Alan Smithee posted:

Are they calling the hacker mr white hat?

Mods, name change please

tia

aeiou
Jul 12, 2006

It's cold in here...
Just kidding! It's to
fool enemies..

That's always a trap isn't it? I believe that's how they arrested the guy who leaked the HL2 source, luring him over for an interview and then having him arrested. I feel there's at least another incident where a hacker was arrested this way, but I can't remember.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

drk posted:

Mods, name change please

tia



+

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

aeiou posted:

That's always a trap isn't it? I believe that's how they arrested the guy who leaked the HL2 source, luring him over for an interview and then having him arrested. I feel there's at least another incident where a hacker was arrested this way, but I can't remember.

That was the plan, but the guy was arrested in his home country before he had the chance to travel into the trap

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-21-the-boy-who-stole-half-life-2-article

Prurient Squid
Jul 21, 2008

Tiddy cat Buddha improving your day.

KinkyJohn posted:

Has anybody said Nonce Cents yet?

We need to listen to people when they start talking nonce sense.

Gomez Chamberlain
Mar 22, 2005

Subakh ul kuhar!

Kill All Cops posted:

If you check my earlier post, there's a twitter post showing the exchanges between the hacker and well, everyone else via the blockchain explorer. Mr White Hat seems to be the term that the hacker came up with when negotiating with PolyNetwork over how to reference him and how to protect him from prosecution while the hacker returns back the money he stole

And specifically because he couldn't use it lmao

They are literally kissing his rear end for basically stealing their exit strategy.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Somfin posted:

MLM is really, really hard to divorce from the idea of capitalistically starting your own business and getting ahead with grit and determination, one of the foundational psychoses of American culture

Crypto is letting your computer burn down California so that it can solve sudokus faster, it's really hard to explain that as anything other than what it is, wasted power and time that occasionally takes down a state government website

Crypto has a really solid emotional foundation. It's libertarian goldbug-ism WITH ALGORITHMS. Goldbugs have been around for ages, and scams related to gold and silver have also been around for ages. Crypto takes those old ideas and makes them new again by burning thousands of tons of coal to solve pointless sudoku puzzles.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


golden bubble posted:

Crypto has a really solid emotional foundation. It's libertarian goldbug-ism WITH ALGORITHMS. Goldbugs have been around for ages, and scams related to gold and silver have also been around for ages. Crypto takes those old ideas and makes them new again by burning thousands of tons of coal to solve pointless sudoku puzzles.

How many more years before coiners adopt the goldbug argument of "it's been around for X years, so how can it lose?"

Papa Was A Video Toaster
Jan 9, 2011





Space Fish posted:

How many more years before coiners adopt the goldbug argument of "it's been around for X years, so how can it lose?"

-5 years

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

KinkyJohn posted:

Has anybody said Nonce Cents yet?

thank you for reminding me that a startup crypto exchange(? "bank"? idk) literally called itself Nonce Finance

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Alan Smithee posted:

Wait wait wait

Are they calling the hacker mr white hat?

That's a term long used for certain type of hackers.

https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-emerging-threats-what-is-the-difference-between-black-white-and-grey-hat-hackers.html

Way back from the 60s/70s,

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Snowden laying down the sick burns


https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1428489410274906113

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.






eh sounds like he's pro-bitcoin and just doesn't want to hear pitches from new cryptocurrencies

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Strong Sauce posted:

eh sounds like he's pro-bitcoin and just doesn't want to hear pitches from new cryptocurrencies

yeah, it's this

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
I don't get that whole thing. Payment processors are okay with regular porn sites, so what's the difference with Onlyfans? Is it because they are not explicitly a porn site and try to front their family-friendly section?

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


It's not really to do with payment processors, it's because the founders want big VC money to invest so they can cash out and live on island time permanently

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Party Boat posted:

It's not really to do with payment processors, it's because the founders want big VC money to invest so they can cash out and live on island time permanently
It can be both. Venture capitalists asking for it expecting they are on disadvantaged terms with payment processors because of the overhead like well to do family man husband's asking for chargebacks on their foot fetish sub because obviously they are not in the business of jacking it to feet and titties.

It's still weird because how does anyone look at OnlyFans and see a financial future for it that does not involve feet and titties.

Bitcoin remains a half solution because while no chargebacks, everyone can see Mr Family Man's Bitcoin go to the foot fetish wallet.

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.
OF is still going to have plenty of feet and almost certainly titties, dont worry

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


zedprime posted:

It can be both. Venture capitalists asking for it expecting they are on disadvantaged terms with payment processors because of the overhead like well to do family man husband's asking for chargebacks on their foot fetish sub because obviously they are not in the business of jacking it to feet and titties.

It's still weird because how does anyone look at OnlyFans and see a financial future for it that does not involve feet and titties.

Bitcoin remains a half solution because while no chargebacks, everyone can see Mr Family Man's Bitcoin go to the foot fetish wallet.

Apparently I'm completely wrong on this one and MasterCard is actually bringing in new rules from 1 October about adult content to verify all users and content before posting which OF does not seem prepared to do. There's a long and depressing thread about it here:
https://twitter.com/PostCultRev/status/1428584131835748359?s=19

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Remember that time someone tried pitching bitcoin to camgirls and they shot down everything with basic questions immediately and the person probably ran to bitcointalk.org to complain about how :females: don't understand money

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

EorayMel posted:

Remember that time someone tried pitching bitcoin to camgirls and they shot down everything with basic questions immediately and the person probably ran to bitcointalk.org to complain about how :females: don't understand money

:sickos: It was awesome! IIRC he tried to “pretend” he was a female new to the business who happened to hear about crypto and how great it was for payments.

I don’t really spend much time in the “war” between the sexes, but even I could feel the condescension and outright misogyny as the chat progressed. It was glorious!

Karia
Mar 27, 2013

Self-portrait, Snake on a Plane
Oil painting, c. 1482-1484
Leonardo DaVinci (1452-1591)

Party Boat posted:

Apparently I'm completely wrong on this one and MasterCard is actually bringing in new rules from 1 October about adult content to verify all users and content before posting which OF does not seem prepared to do. There's a long and depressing thread about it here:
https://twitter.com/PostCultRev/status/1428584131835748359?s=19

Yeah, here's another good thread on just what the implications are. This isn't finding a different payment processor, this is OF potentially getting blacklisted from the entire credit card and potentially banking system. They flat-out do not have a choice: they either cave, or Mastercard/Visa shut them down entirely. poo poo's bad.

https://twitter.com/rahaeli/status/1428442523001831425

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Bitcoin and credit cards are both bad but for wildly different reasons!

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Karia posted:

Yeah, here's another good thread on just what the implications are. This isn't finding a different payment processor, this is OF potentially getting blacklisted from the entire credit card and potentially banking system. They flat-out do not have a choice: they either cave, or Mastercard/Visa shut them down entirely. poo poo's bad.

https://twitter.com/rahaeli/status/1428442523001831425

Well, that's depressing. I already knew FOSTA/SESTA was garbage legislation, but this poo poo really drives the point home.

The Sausages
Sep 30, 2012

What do you want to do? Who do you want to be?
"White Hat" may be a reference to his very light grey hair

Pac and Cheese
Oct 29, 2010

gotta walk fast

KinkyJohn posted:

Has anybody said Nonce Cents yet?

poo poo that's how i've been paying for all my illicit porn, is there something wrong with it?

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?

Karia posted:

Yeah, here's another good thread on just what the implications are. This isn't finding a different payment processor, this is OF potentially getting blacklisted from the entire credit card and potentially banking system. They flat-out do not have a choice: they either cave, or Mastercard/Visa shut them down entirely. poo poo's bad.

https://twitter.com/rahaeli/status/1428442523001831425

this model runs her own site and said she's already compliant to MC new requirements, it's just OF not willing to do the extra work

Sinecure
Sep 10, 2011

Vesi posted:

OF not willing to do the extra work

True, but per that Twitter thread above the extra requirements include things like live monitoring of ongoing streams. Probably a single person can do that for themselves, the scale is a bit different for a site serving tens or hundreds of thousands of those at once.

It really does seem to boil down to 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for anyone to legally put nudity online'.

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
A corporate entity not willing to do paperwork for it's workers at the cusp of a multi-billion exit scam?

Y'all must be out of your minds.

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Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Visa/MC/AmEx just needs to sit down, shut up and get regulated under Common Carrier law. PayPal too.

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