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A guy I knew who was an engineer in Helmand told me a story about how some tank regiment rolled in, and all the local kids gathered round hoping for sweets or drinks or whatever. One of Are Brave Boys had a regular trick where he’d hand out water canteens to the kids, just to watch their reactions when they realised he’d actually filled them with diesel.
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OwlFancier posted:This is still just regime change 101 except this time we are definitely the good guys. You are manufacturing a pretext for invasion and then anyone who attacks the invading forces necessarily has to be counterrevolutionary because the alternative would be acknowledging that your extremely revolutionary invasion force are not actually liberators. Which invasion? No one invaded. I just said. Invasions are counterproductive unless you know you already have support on the ground.
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Aug 19, 2021 23:05
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Would "extraterritorial police action in defence of the revolution" be a preferred term for you?
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Aug 19, 2021 23:08
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Needs a catchy acronym
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Aug 19, 2021 23:10
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https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1428402736643575810 https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1428423839298605064 Humiliation for Loser Campbell.
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Aug 19, 2021 23:10
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I love how that's baiting him to say "aksherly we only killed 670k according to the Lancet"
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Aug 19, 2021 23:12
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OwlFancier posted:Would "extraterritorial police action in defence of the revolution" be a preferred term for you? theres some issues with the acronym but the british seem to be very enthusiastic, so
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Aug 19, 2021 23:13
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An invasion is an invasion, that nazi germany was bad enough that an invasion was preferable to allowing it to continue is not an endorsement of invasions as a concept. I find a much more helpful way to look at it is that invasions are simply incapable of improving a place 99% of the time unless, for example, that place is utilizing a massive portion of its state power to just kill people for fun and also to invade everywhere around them to find more people to kill. I also think it's worth noting that whether the left was pro or anti intervention in that war is irrelevant because everyone was anti intervention in that war up until germany declared war on them. So it's not even really a very good argument for interventionism because it wasn't an interventionist war. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Aug 19, 2021 23:14
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https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1428436128676425736
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Aug 19, 2021 23:16
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But no really my point is just that you can't only concern yourself with 'domestic' politics because that line is purely imaginary. If you live in a powerhouse socialist country and there's a weaker one governed by fascists you get rid of them. Smash the fash wherever they are, at home and abroad. Failing to do so is condemning people to suffer and die. That's proletariatian internationalism. Yes, there are complexities and you shouldn't ride roughshod over local cultures, but if I had the power I'd be damned if I'd ignore that poo poo on the other side of a fence because it's 'not my business to intervene'. Yes, if that means regime change then so be it. Again, not a defence of cynical western interventionism in case that wasn't extremely clear.
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Aug 19, 2021 23:18
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OwlFancier posted:An invasion is an invasion, that nazi germany was bad enough that an invasion was preferable to allowing it to continue is not an endorsement of invasions as a concept. Ah I'm no logicalician but I think it is?
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Aug 19, 2021 23:18
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Perhaps there is an alternative to conquering anywhere you feel is sufficiently counterrevolutionary. Perhaps if you are such a powerhouse country you could just open your borders.
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Aug 19, 2021 23:19
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OwlFancier posted:Perhaps there is an alternative to conquering anywhere you feel is sufficiently counterrevolutionary. Perhaps if you are such a powerhouse country you could just open your borders. Do both, whatever. If you're going to condemn any foreign interventionism whatsoever you're basically rejecting the whole tradition of internationalism and a hell of a lot of extremely cool people who did extremely cool things. That's fine, but we're not going to see eye to eye on the subject.
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Aug 19, 2021 23:22
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I specifically said I have no real objection to international brigades, what I object to is the idea that if the soviets invade somewhere that is simply good because they are painted red which means they are the good guys regardless of anything that might suggest that structurally they are just another conquering bunch of twats.
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Aug 19, 2021 23:24
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And I specially said that it would only be justified if it brought direct material benefits to the working class, not just cool red banners. Which, in practice, the USSR did more often than it didn't, but that's another argument entirely
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There’s a slight tendency to conflate Afghanistan and Iraq here. The invasion of Afghanistan wasn’t the US doing an imperialism out of nowhere like Iraq was, it was a reaction to a particularly devastating and traumatic terrorist attack; once the September 11 attacks happened, something like the invasion of Afghanistan was inevitable. As the US’s principal ally, the UK was also inevitably getting dragged into that. Despite how ineffective the invasion has been at achieving every other goal, I think it probably did work at reminding governments how scary the US is when it takes the mask off. This is how I understand how conciliatory the 2021 Taliban are being in public; it looks very much like they’re worried about being attacked again and trying to avoid that from happening.
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Aug 20, 2021 00:10
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Gonzo McFee posted:Afghanistan was one of those wars that kind of got forgotten after Iraq but we did just as many war crimes there as we did in Iraq to the point where people looked at us, looked at the Taliban and said "Maybe the Taliban aren't so bad". Yeah, I know a guy who was in Afghanistan and Iraq with the US army and one time he got talking about how they're all pedos over there and they just had to accept it, except he wrapped it up in 'political correctness gone mad' talking points about how they had to accept that as the culture rather than recognising that those were the ones the US had chosen to support and enable.
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Aug 20, 2021 00:40
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Having refused to take a phone call while on annual leave our whatever, is Dominic Raab now to the left of the Labour party?
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Aug 20, 2021 08:00
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I'd read a lot of defences about Raab that said it was OK because he got a deputy to make the call. I'm sure all of those people will be joining in on the condemnation now it turns out that actually no one could be bothered to make the call
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Aug 20, 2021 08:26
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So by next month a Green party could have ministerial roles for the first time ever in the UK. That might be good (or a disater for them). https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1428612873819938818
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Aug 20, 2021 09:23
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18 questions? Does Keith actually realise he's a politician not a barrister? https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1428436812037599232
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Aug 20, 2021 09:33
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Thought you said barista at first.
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Aug 20, 2021 09:40
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Why would anyone expect Raab to make a phone call anyway? Or want him to? He's thick as pigshit
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Aug 20, 2021 09:42
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peanut- posted:18 questions? Does Keith actually realise he's a politician not a barrister?
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Aug 20, 2021 09:45
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keep punching joe posted:So by next month a Green party could have ministerial roles for the first time ever in the UK. That might be good (or a disater for them). Doesn't it need to go to the members?
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Aug 20, 2021 09:52
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they’re going to try to start blaming a junior minister, which gives the impression it’s some 20 something intern on their first day but in reality it’s a 50 year old drunkard careerist
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Aug 20, 2021 09:53
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forkboy84 posted:Doesn't it need to go to the members? Deals is to be ANNOUNCED today, members expected to ratify it this weekend at an EGM (not a member so don't know the mechanics). keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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Aug 20, 2021 09:58
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keep punching joe posted:annonced Not a typo, this is actually how you get a ministerial position in the UK.
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Aug 20, 2021 10:00
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Commie posters being so gung ho on killing people and invading countries is why I only have communist thoughts not communist praxis Plus the dumb anarchists are right and the problem is inherent to States Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1428402736643575810 I don't actually think they care about this anymore. I think Iraq used to be shameful for them but they've only ever been rewarded for it and everyone is still just as pro war if not more than in 2003
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Aug 20, 2021 10:28
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lol, goddamn. https://twitter.com/aarjanistan/status/1428399789784420364?s=21
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Aug 20, 2021 10:30
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lmao 92% off this air-fryer, which now costs £4 and has free delivery. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08DHWW5ZN/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A3LIQKCSRXRK64&psc=1&tag=bb4bmlaura-21 limit 1 per transaction, but you can just repeat the transaction  suffice to say it's the #1 best seller right now. someone's made a baaad mistake.
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Aug 20, 2021 10:32
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:lmao drat it's £24 delivery to Ireland otherwise I'd buy 10. I already evangelise about airfryers to my mates anyway. Yes I'm a deeply sad oval office
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Aug 20, 2021 10:34
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:lmao Hit Buy Now, hopefully this works, thanks.
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Aug 20, 2021 10:34
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:lmao I imagine they'll just cancel all these orders but gently caress it I'll fry some air if I can.
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Aug 20, 2021 10:36
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I would assume somewhere between the first and 200th time this exact pricing mistake happened before with an expensive item amazon would have added a take-backsies option in its small print by now
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Aug 20, 2021 10:36
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In case you didn't know, a 'remaster' of Quake came out yesterday. It's a free update if you have the game on Steam, so if you feel like dying in higher resolution with Trent Reznor's original score serenading you as you ice skate around the maps, go for it.
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Aug 20, 2021 10:45
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Angepain posted:I would assume somewhere between the first and 200th time this exact pricing mistake happened before with an expensive item amazon would have added a take-backsies option in its small print by now You can keep thinking but I'm going to be having the last laugh when I'm frying up a g--  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  Ma... maybe my other 3 orders will go through..??
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Aug 20, 2021 10:46
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Jel Shaker posted:they’re going to try to start blaming a junior minister, which gives the impression it’s some 20 something intern on their first day but in reality it’s a 50 year old drunkard careerist Well its Zac Goldsmith who is absolutely as bad as anyone could have guessed, these idiots don't seem to understand that even if you do delegate a role and some wazzock fucks it up, it's still the responsibility of the person who did the delegating. But on this island England, Zac will put out a press release saying he delegated it to an even more junior person, so that we might finally have the head of the true culprit (the cleaning lady, perhaps). I did have a look on twitter, the bootlickers say it's not Raab's fault and it didn't matter anyway (I think it's clear they're saying the interpreters don't matter). Bonus points for the one dedicated account saying how hard Raab works, but I think they're satire. They do like ending their posts with clown smileys, hard to resist the urge to tell them to stop signing their tweets...
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Aug 20, 2021 10:58
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how do you expect her to girlboss on a meagre 80k p/a (+plus expenses in excess of 100k to run her offices)
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:You can keep thinking but I'm going to be having the last laugh when I'm frying up a g-- Mine's survived so far. Maybe it's just people who ordered more than one?
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