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I have been diagnosed with Ocular-Vestibular dysfunction. It's purely physical assessment testing for diagnosis, there is really nothing pathological to look at since, from what I understand, it's a nervous system/brain thing. It was through a highly regarded concussion/sports medicine specialty clinic. They do the work for the university level and semi-pro teams in my area. She (my specialist) has a high degree of confidence in the diagnosis. I did have an MRI a couple weeks ago and there was nothing remarkable. The testing was very similar to my testing for vertigo but she also put me through some physical activity and tested me both during and after which I hadn't done before. She said the testing after the activity made the diagnosis quite obvious to her and she's seen it several times before. It also explains why the vertigo treatments somewhat helped but not completely. The treatment is very similar to gaze treatments for vertigo but with the addition of activities at the same time. In my instance, playing catch while doing gaze treatments which will supposedly get my brain and vestibular system to play nice with each other. Hopefully after 2 weeks of at-home physio she expects I should have some noticeable improvement. She also strongly recommends I continue the somewhat intense physical activity so I will continue to train, as I have been.
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slidebite posted:I have been diagnosed with Ocular-Vestibular dysfunction. Interesting. I noticed that some time after my concussion, doing things that involve rapid transitions between rotational speeds for my head would make me dizzy much faster than before. Before, say it would take me 10 spins of dizzy bat to get nice and spinny. Now probably 2 spins and stopping really fast could get me that dizzy. The more obvious symptom is that when I was doing shrimping drills for judo, I would be completely dizzy by halfway down the mats. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5umBWsf_NA&t=78s I demonstrated that exact thing to my neurologist and referred ENT, and neither made anything of it. The spinning chair test said my eyes came back normal, MRI was fine, CAT and hearing test for ears were good. So they said that with the 3 legs of the tripod -- eyes, brain, ear -- all checked out, I couldn't go any further with testing.
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Well, it might be something to check into maybe? So her diagnosis testing involved a lot of stuff like sobriety tests. Follow a point with your eyes, then with your head, up down, back forth, etc. I passed most of those except standing on 1 leg with my eyes closed. I had a tough time with that. I could only do it for a few seconds. There was also some cognitive tests, but I think that was more for diagnosing a concussion. IE: she threw out a bunch of numbers and I had to repeat them. And also remember some words from the beginning and repeat it at the end. THEN she put me on a treadmill. As I was running I had to read out letters on a couple of separate charts - like top row, top row, going back and forth. And then cognitive testing as well while running, in my case say every 2nd month in reverse. Going through the alphabet say an animal that begins with each letter, like Aardvark, Beaver, Cheetah, etc.). I think I did well on all those. "I" was a bugger though she said Iguana is a good one. She said I was the first ever to say Echidna lol. Then, after the running she did another quasi-field sobriety testing. Follow a point with eyes only, then keep eyes straight and move head. Up down, side-side, back, forth. Well, I guess I failed that. My movements on the treadmill provoked it. She said that made it pretty apparent to her and started me on some physio to do at home for the next 2 weeks 2x per day. It's basically putting up what is the equiv of 2 optometrists eye charts immediately to my left and right (picture standing in a hallway with the charts at eye level on bot sides) and going back and forth, reading the letters while playing catch with a partner at the same time. She's optimistic I can recover from it. And I think the physio is actually doing something because I feel a little uneasy doing it, which tbh I think is a good thing. I can't speak for your situation obviously, but might be worth going to a sport/athlete specialty concussion clinic if you haven't? Or call one and see if they can diagnose that condition? It doesn't sound incredibly rare but it's certainly not super common either. She says it's often missed or misdiagnosed, which is what happened to me... assuming she actually is correct of course.
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slidebite posted:She says it's often missed or misdiagnosed, which is what happened to me... assuming she actually is correct of course. quote:So her diagnosis testing involved a lot of stuff like sobriety tests. Follow a point with your eyes, then with your head, up down, back forth, etc. I passed most of those except standing on 1 leg with my eyes closed. I had a tough time with that. I could only do it for a few seconds. I went to a private PT right before the pandemic to treat my elbow, and she gave me one exercise for the eyes which seems somewhat related -- hold out a brightly colored object in your hand with arm straight out, look at it, and swivel your head side to side, going to one foot as a progression. I can barely do it when standing on one foot, and she said recruiting my senses together to do that might help with the dizziness. Unfortunately, she shut down her practice before our next scheduled session cuz of the pandemic, and I dropped off on trying that drill. I guess I could do it at any point...
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kimbo305 posted:That part isn't surprising at all, given how relatively hard it is to give a descriptive account of how some of it feels. quote:I'm pretty sure the ENT brought up ocular vestibular dysfunction to look into. I got the first set of visual tests, but not the treadmill, only being tipped over while seated on the exam table and then trying again. I feel you though man, this kind of thing blows.
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slidebite posted:Oh god, right? I don't feel "right" ... my mind feels like everything is "fuzzy" but only sometimes... that would drive me nuts trying to diagnose that. There's one symptom that I tried describing to all the docs and they all looked at me like I was crazy -- sometimes if I look rapidly all the way to the left or upper left, I can hear this... swishing or hissing behind my eyes... I guess in my inner ear? Eye muscles? So a seemingly clearcut thing, but nothing that they'd heard of. The brain fog from hitting my head I'd only gotten one time, not from sparring but from flopping back onto a couch at work, not realizing the top of the sofa back was just wood, so rabbit punched myself pretty good. I remember really having trouble thinking well enough to type or do anything at the computer.
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Well your vestibular system is super close to behind your eyes so  slidebite fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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slidebite posted:No concussion - so yay me I guess? I do have a tentative diagnosis though, not standard vertigo. The good news is it should be treatable and they've given me some totally different physio to try at home. Thanks! We do the same thing, with the lower student dictating the intensity, but also new green belts are supposed to *not* make contact for the first few weeks and instead attempt to get within an inch or 2 of the target. The logic being that "the most dangerous person to spar with is a new greenbelt." I'm not sure if that's common logic at other schools, but it makes sense to me. Yes, I did just get yellow in spring. This undoubtedly a product of Tiger Rock being a McDojo, but I think their plan is to sort of just rush through the white and yellow basics and get to green so we're live sparring instead of beating up a Wavemaster 3 times a week. I'm not sure exactly how you're referring to "stripes" but we have sort of 2 versions of this. For accomplishing something small or notable in class, they'll award you with a stripe for your existing belt. In my son's class, they have paragraphs to recite and that sort of thing, and they get them for that, but also doing boardbreaking or nailing a form during an impromptu test. We also have 3 "levels" for belts beyond yellow, so once you attain a green, you're technically "green level 1" and then have to test into green level 2, then 3, which gets progressively more difficult. We call those "stripes" since you have a distinct belt for each one, with level one having a white stripe, 2 having no stripe, and 3 having a black stripe. This DOES slow down advancement though.
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So the "stripes" for us are a legit ranks, just like a full belt, only difference is there is some repetition for the testing on the pre-arranged aspect. The tournaments I've been to where there are ITF schools (we're traditional) seem similar, but no idea with others. TKD is such a gongshow with sub-disciplines. We have had some Tae-Soo-Do guys have trained with us and their belts almost look like swatch from the fabric store. One older dude who I was pretty sure was a dan of some sort was actually a really dark blue belt with about 5 or so stripes on it in different colors. No clue what they meant and he stopped training before I had a chance to ask. I briefly went through our rank system before, but I'll copy/paste it here: slidebite posted:Every rank has a new pattern and sparring as part of the testing. Additionally, every full rank/belt change throws in another set of techniques called "pre-arranged" or "step" sparring. These are at their core are a prearranged set of moves which have both an attacker component and a corresponding defensive set of moves for the other person. These serve several purposes but really help the students judge distance and help to learn making changes on the fly. The absolute fastest you could possibly progress a rank (belt to stripe, or stripe to belt) is 3 months, but other than maybe the odd white->yellow that almost never happens. Actually, that's a lie. If you test exceptionally well and have a boatload of talent, a virtually perfect belt test could potentially result in a double promotion... but that is exceptionally rare and a total double edged sword, because you have 2x as much to learn because you still have to perfect the rank you "skipped." Typically 6 months to a year is the norm for an early/jr rank increase. As you get to green, ~9 months to a year-ish is typical for someone that is reasonably committed and then black stripe to black (be it Jr for teens or 1Dan for adults) is 1-2 years on "average" with a 9 month contract period. Someone who only trains 1-2 per week may take 2-3 years before they test for a new rank. We, as a school, certainly don't rush people. It is either personal ambition or maybe you feel a bit peer pressure if your friends are testing you might want to as well. The masters/instructors may ask you what your intentions are for testing but won't pressure you to test if you don't want to. Alternatively, they will absolute refuse testing if they don't think you've trained enough or simply don't think you are ready. That certainly happens, especially with younger members. e: Our belts are like below except the yellow stripe (9th kup). Years ago, before my time we used to do it but we made the yellow testing encompass something larger than that so it just got rolled into 8th. slidebite fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah, that looks a bit similar to us, but we have 15 levels (not counting black as that's a separate thing).
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Anyone have experience getting back into martial arts after a back injury? I've been real unlucky the past couple of years and got rear-ended twice, and it's led to several neck and lower back herniations. I miss judo like crazy, but just imagining rolling or loading someone onto my back for a throw makes me feel like it's not going to be okay. I'm starting to consider maybe switching over to something easier on the body, like karate or aikido. Even with BJJ, I'm kind of worried that all the ways your neck can get contorted during ground work might be beyond what I can handle.
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Cephas posted:Anyone have experience getting back into martial arts after a back injury? I've been real unlucky the past couple of years and got rear-ended twice, and it's led to several neck and lower back herniations. I miss judo like crazy, but just imagining rolling or loading someone onto my back for a throw makes me feel like it's not going to be okay. I'm starting to consider maybe switching over to something easier on the body, like karate or aikido. Even with BJJ, I'm kind of worried that all the ways your neck can get contorted during ground work might be beyond what I can handle. Will depend on the nature of your injury, your body and all that stuff. I hurt my back badly deadlifting. There was an impingement on a nerve in my spine. I did phyisio for a few months which really helped, but what helped even more was this great yoga instructor. His classes were quite demanding and led to me getting stronger in some interesting ways. While I was attending his classes I did my first BJJ class back. That wrecked me for a few weeks but my 2nd wasn't nearly so bad. Now 3 years later I'm training 4 times a week. I do strongly recommend yoga; the movements do wonders for a variety of ailments. I wouldn't go straight into judo until you feel more comfortable with your body-- if you're scared of getting hurt you'll be more tense and more likely to land badly.
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Cephas posted:Anyone have experience getting back into martial arts after a back injury? I've been real unlucky the past couple of years and got rear-ended twice, and it's led to several neck and lower back herniations. I miss judo like crazy, but just imagining rolling or loading someone onto my back for a throw makes me feel like it's not going to be okay. I'm starting to consider maybe switching over to something easier on the body, like karate or aikido. Even with BJJ, I'm kind of worried that all the ways your neck can get contorted during ground work might be beyond what I can handle. Find a sports physio, who understands your injury and your movement requirements. He/she will have a much better idea of what you can and cannot do and how far you can take it.
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As someone with back issues (and shoulder, head, etc) I also think a sports PT would be a good first stop. That said, and you may have thought of this already, but you could always try to ease your way in, like yoga or something and see how the body reacts.
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Gonna second the recommendation of yoga as an excellent form of mobility and conditioning for Judo and BJJ. It does wonders for flexibility and strength. However I would recommend against hot yoga (Bikram). It’s more expensive and kind of gimmicky in my experience. Look for vinyasa flow classes.
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Yeah avoid bikram. I tore my rotator cuff worse in a bikram class than I ever have in a BJJ class - the heat gives you an artificial sense of mobility. Plus it's a licensed thing with extremely expensive training and the founder is a(n alleged) sex pest. Any other yoga class - eg hatha, flow, yin - will be good.
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Sorry, Facebook post. Somebody colorized a video of some Swedish guys doing “jiu-jitsu” back in 1919 and it’s a fun watch. https://fb.watch/7E11gXMryP/
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Thirteen Orphans posted:Sorry, Facebook post. Somebody colorized a video of some Swedish guys doing “jiu-jitsu” back in 1919 and it’s a fun watch. https://fb.watch/7E11gXMryP/ that throw at the end was sick. The first shot made me think he was going to go into ashi and I thought it was a joke.
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We really should be training in sack clothe cut into suits. Gis are really just cultural appropriation.
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So I am officially in the black-belt program for my school. Had an interview with our master that runs the program and he accepted me into it. It's a 9 month contract so I will be testing in June 2022 (approx 40 weeks) assuming all goes well and Covid doesn't throw another wrench into it. It is formalized and there is an actual contract we sign to get into the program. Candidate commitments: Attend an "average" of 3 classes times per week over the 9 months. 3 per week doesn't sound like much, BUT, if you miss some days/weeks you need to make that up to get the average back. Basically if you get sick/injured, holidays, whatever it needs to be made up. We close for Holidays and Xmas/New Years every year, but the average still needs to be maintained. Most people try to front end load it to give a cushion as "in case" and then carry on, which is a good idea. If you have an excess of hours as you get close to testing (ideally you will) you can hopefully dial it back a little for some recovery for the last week or so. It is very easy to get on the bubble with your hours in if you take 2-3 weeks of holidays and get injured or a couple of colds. I've know a few candidates that have literally had to do every single adult class, including going to satellite branch schools, for more than a month to make their hours because they realized they were going to be short. E: Spoke to master last night and he actually mentioned they're going to change this illness part. He doesn't want people to come in if they're not feeling great (IE: risk covid) and doesn't want to "punish" because of it. Fitness testing. 3 tests, one early in the contract, one mid-way and another about a month before official testing. Basically we are run through a fairly gruelling course that is heavy on cardio with some strength, especially core, exercises. The results are based on time. The masters want to ensure you are keeping up with fitness and physical improvement. They do not want obese or out of shape black belts. Periodically attending advanced development team classes over the course of the contract. These are the classes that our national sparring team develops on. Very fast, high intensity classes with a bunch of cardio/endurance interspersed with practical sparring and sparring techniques. This happens immediately after the last adult class on Weds so it's a double-header if you want to pull that off. I did last night and I was sucking swamp water after about 30 minutes in. You stay after classes with the BB program staff for additional one on one training and work. This is probably 2-3x per month (in addition to 1-1 during normal class). Basically, work your rear end off for 9 months. It's more than notch up from what most students do for "normal" training. All BB and candidates need to do this. Regardless if you are 16 or 65 going for your 5th. There is a fee for this. Its basically for you to put skin in the game. In exchange, the senior instructors commit to you as well. They take a lot of time out of their personal lives to assist over and above regular classes, so they want to make sure you are serious and they don't want to waste their time either. It's not much money so it's not really a big deal for mature adults... it's more for the younger members (say, 16-late 20s) that might otherwise decide to flake because of ~reasons~. You also get a sweet hand made black belt which is made by some old Korean lady who also translates/embroiders your name into Korean (assuming you pass, of course). How do the other disciplines do it? Is it treated basically like another color belt test? Is there a formal process somewhat similar to ours? I'd be curious to hear about it. slidebite fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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Man, that's awesome; good luck! Again, I'm a sort of McDojo guy, so take this for what it is: Our program isn't nearly as restrictive as that from what I've seen, but it's definitely not the same as normal belt testing. Once you're a red, you still go to the normal classes, but there are separate classes as well. If you're a teenager, there are "leadership" classes where they mix in some personal development with the martial arts aspect. Both teens and adults are both expected to then assist with classes for either the children's classes or the adults as they have time. I'm not sure if there are a set number of required times you have to do this or not, but there are always red and black belts assisting my son's classes in addition to the instructor. Once you're a black belt, you're free to still attend the regular classes but then there are also black belt only classes as well. The testing itself to move from red 3 to black takes place during the normal testing, but as far as I know, moving up the ranks in black slows down tremendously and I *think* can only be done at larger tournaments or when a "Grand Master" is attending testing.
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slidebite posted:How do the other disciplines do it? Is it treated basically like another color belt test? Is there a formal process somewhat similar to ours? I'd be curious to hear about it. My gym doesn't have belts, we just train
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slidebite posted:How do the other disciplines do it? Is it treated basically like another color belt test? Is there a formal process somewhat similar to ours? I'd be curious to hear about it. Kendo tests the same for every rank: 2x90 seconds matches, except for 8th dan: Then it's 2 x 90 seconds for preliminary testing, with a second round of 2 x 90 seconds. About 0.5% pass rate for 8th dan. (In comparison 7th dan has a pass rate of ~15%). This is an older, but pretty good documentary about 2 people trying for 8th dan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPDAFqN74A
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Tried a local jiu jitsu school (Sheridan bjj in New Jersey) but found I didn't really enjoy it. The students were young and kind of aggressive, and when drilling would often spaz out and didn't make very good drilling partners. The spazzing worried me most, where people would wrench hard during drills. I have never felt so sure I was going to get injured in any other martial arts school I've been to. The instructors didn't encourage this behavior, but they didn't do much to discourage it either. When they explained techniques for drilling they would explain the entire sequence at once rather than breaking it down, which I didn't appreciate. They also had a lack of knowledge when it came to modifying maneuvers for people with different body types. Like I'm small and have relatively short limbs, so I might need some modification for certain moves. One answer I received was "I probably wouldn't do this move if I were you", with no further modification or adjustment, making my drilling for the day feel kind of wasted. They also require you to buy their gi ($100) when you sign up, which I didn't appreciate since I have my own gis, and they're branded heavily so you can't really wear it elsewhere. There was also a general attitude in the gym that I didn't like. Coming from Kano martial arts in Manhattan really set my standards high, where they teach everything in a step-by-step method and by the end of class you feel confident with the technique you were working on. The instructors also have a seemingly infinite well of knowledge to draw from, and the students were generally cool and chill. I've since quit the BJJ school and started up at a hung ga school nearby. The sifu is enthusiastic and has been practicing for 30 years, and it's a much better atmosphere. It's very different from what I'm used to, but I'm enjoying it a lot so far.
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Kano is on my radar for when we are ordered fo go back to office sometime next year. Are you able to share what their tuition options and covid protocols are (vax requirements etc)? They are in a p good location and have a p good schedule for what I’m looking for so trying to weigh options.
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butros posted:Kano is on my radar for when we are ordered fo go back to office sometime next year. Are you able to share what their tuition options and covid protocols are (vax requirements etc)? They are in a p good location and have a p good schedule for what I’m looking for so trying to weigh options. I haven’t been there since covid started, so I wouldn’t be able to say what their covid protocols are. It was around $150/month for unlimited classes last I paid.
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Verisimilidude posted:I haven’t been there since covid started, so I wouldn’t be able to say what their covid protocols are. It was around $150/month for unlimited classes last I paid. Awesome, very useful thanks.
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E: also I knew I recognized Sheridan BJJ from somewhere, I competed against one of their guys and wiped the floor with him.
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I think this is in the spirt of the thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xDANla3L24 side_burned fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Oct 16, 2021 |
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I've been training every day of the week, sometimes back-back double classes and I can't sustain it. I think I need to settle into a ~4-5 average with a couple of recovery days. My legs hurt, my arms hurt, the bottom of my feet hurt, heel and ball. And I'm still not sleeping worth a poo poo.  I'm lucky if I get a 2-3 hour stretch before tossing and turning for another hour trying to get another 2-3 hours Spent a bit of time on punching drills. Basic jab/cross stuff, stance switches, etc. He said my right is an absolute hammer but my left lacks. When I try to make up for it my instinct is to pull it back a bit instead of a nice straight quick "pop". I'm pretty balanced physically (not a huge difference between left/right) and I do know my right is decent. I seem to have a bit of trouble getting some decent technique in muscle memory for my left even though I do it properly with my dominant right.
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slidebite posted:
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No, very right dominant. I try to make a point of using my left side more, but it's lacking.
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slidebite posted:No, very right dominant. I try to make a point of using my left side more, but it's lacking. So mainly the cross? Sight unseen, you probably need to use your legs and hips more, because everyone needs to use their legs and hips more when generating power. Think of how someone pushes off the back leg and rotates their whole body when swinging a baseball bat. You're doing the same thing but you're using it to drive your fist forward. By the time the muscles in your arm are involved most of the work should already done. Xand_Man fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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Mostly the left jab actually. My left cross isn't too bad but I'm sure could improve. Hip movement is pretty important in TKD so it's drilled into us pretty hard. So a cross with your hips moving and your back foot pivoting is happening. It's just "popping" off the jab off well is what I need to work on. Well, mostly... there is plenty I need to work on.
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Did my first fitness test last night. It was probably one of the hardest workouts I've ever done. Consisted of: 5x Wind Sprints up/down the length of the gym (approx 45-50' each way?) 1x Bear Crawl up/down length of gym 10x Jumping squats (the kind where you jump up onto a platform after the squat) 10x jumping switch lunges 10x burpees 10x tricep dips with chairs 10x push ups 1x agility ladder - Lateral in/out seal/zombie crawl to next ladder (no feet, dragging your body) approx 10-15' 1x agility ladder - Forward in/out 10x ab rollouts 2 min break - repeat for total of 5 times. It doesn't sound insane but repeating over and over again was not fun. By the 3rd go around the burpees were exhausting my triceps were on fire for the push ups right after the dips. The teenagers who are in awesome shape had zero problems but us who are 3x their age with abused bodies certainly worked our asses off. I was exhausted, but I completed it so I'll take it as a personal win. Now the baseline is down and I need to try to improve it, at least a bit which shouldn't be too hard. I needed to take the last week off due to developing plantar fasciitis in my right foot and I could feel my cardio, which I've always wanted to improve, was not quite there as much as I would like. Have to do it 2 more times, Feb and May.
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Man, I hurt my knee in class a couple of weeks ago and that sounds like absolute MURDER for me right now.
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Hah, yeah, I was quite worried about my foot with fasciitis, but wearing shoes helped a ton (as opposed to barefoot like training). Ironically, I feel stiffer today than yesterday Whelp, going to train tonight, will see how that goes I guess.
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slidebite posted:Hah, yeah, I was quite worried about my foot with fasciitis, but wearing shoes helped a ton (as opposed to barefoot like training). Ah poo poo man; good luck with that. Other news: I'm competing in my first tournament in like 10 days. Pretty excited; pretty scared, lol
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Being older and a color belt it might be slimmer pickings for your class/division, but I suspect you'll have guys like you in it and they're probably having the exact same thoughts you are. Is it an open tournament? Do you know how many other schools are participating? It's a fun way to meet people. I still get nervous for competing or hell, even testing. My BB test in June is going to make me a basket case.
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