Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

!Klams posted:

Craig Mazin (of Chernobyl fame) makes a case that screenwriting is actually the hardest job in the world. Not like the most important, or highest risk, but just the most difficult to get right. And, I don't know that I'd disagree.

gonna take a guess and say that doing something like trying to save someone while they're dying on the operating table is harder than screenwriting

e: actually thinking about it, he literally made a show about the people who had to contain chernobyl and still said that. dude must be a colossal dipshit

site fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 23, 2021

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

i mean, most operations are successful and most tv shows and movies suck rear end so maybe he has a point

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

People who have done screenwriting: this is hard to get right, and if you do it wrong, there's no way to fix it

Everyone else: excuse me, have you tried doing sometjing as hard as scanning a box twice while someone yells at you??

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




why cant it be fixed is your backspace key not working or something

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

I haven't played the Mass Effect games before and I'm up to 3 and its barely an rpg anymore, its just a dated shootyman game with annoying shield guys

First one is the best btw

DrPossum
May 15, 2004

i am not a surgeon

Caesar Saladin posted:

I haven't played the Mass Effect games before and I'm up to 3 and its barely an rpg anymore, its just a dated shootyman game with annoying shield guys

First one is the best btw

Preach

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




I only ever played half of the first one and I liked what I played, but I never hear anyone talk about how Mass Effect is just Star Control 2 but in 3d.

You fly through the galaxy, stick your unwanted human nose in interstellar conflicts, sometimes you tool around the surface of planets in an armoured moon buggy shooting wildlife and mining resources, you go through a hundred dialogue trees where the wrong response can make enemies, there's a thousand pages of lore you can safely ignore, it's just Star Control.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
The best mass effect game is Andromeda

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

fridge corn posted:

The best mass effect game is Andromeda

i played like 2 hours of that and it was boring, and then they tried to make me do sudoku to open a door and i quit and never looked back

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

fridge corn posted:

The best mass effect game is Andromeda

https://i.gifer.com/77SP.mp4

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

I mean, say what you wan about Andromeda, but it definitely has the most expressive characters in gaming. They never express anything close to what the devs intended, but still

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

steinrokkan posted:

I mean, say what you wan about Andromeda, but it definitely has the most expressive characters in gaming. They never express anything close to what the devs intended, but still

That's part of what makes it so great tbh

!Klams
Dec 25, 2005

Squid Squad

Caesar Saladin posted:

i mean, most operations are successful and most tv shows and movies suck rear end so maybe he has a point

I mean, exactly this. Obviously an operation is more important and more stressful. But it isn't harder to get right, I don't think.

There's a saying "if your third act isn't working, there's a problem with your first act". And that's like, SUPER insightful, helpful advice borne of years of experience. That's as close as it gets to someone telling you how to solve your problem.

Imagine someone going "I've done this all my life: If theres blood coming out the ears, there's a problem on the inside" and the doctor going "AHHHHHhhhhh, that's pretty revelatory, thanks, this will really help!"

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Uhh... any job is going to look simple and less complex than the one you do for a living. You know all the detailed intricacies of your job but other stuff your knowledge is surface level at best.

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

Caesar Saladin posted:

I haven't played the Mass Effect games before and I'm up to 3 and its barely an rpg anymore, its just a dated shootyman game with annoying shield guys

First one is the best btw

absolutely

ME2 loving sucked rear end and most of the crew's issues being slight variations of "I HATE MY DAD!!!! :mad:" was pathetic and it's sad that people hold up that loving game like it has good writing

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Caesar Saladin posted:

I haven't played the Mass Effect games before and I'm up to 3 and its barely an rpg anymore, its just a dated shootyman game with annoying shield guys

First one is the best btw

ive only played the first one and it was boring af. never understood the appeal of that whole series. the action is bad and the "rpg" part seems to consist of navigating very badly written dialogue trees. when i see fans talk about this series they spend a lot of time talking about characters "romancing" other characters and i dont get it because all of the characters are so unappealing and wooden, also thats such a weirdly stilted way to talk about sex.

it was like a "space soap opera" written by someone who's never even seen an actual soap opera and doesn't understand how drama works (nor ever played a fun space video game for that matter)

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Aug 23, 2021

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
none of my Bioware characters have ever hosed and they never will

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

none of my Bioware characters have ever hosed and they never will

This is the only way to prevent more Bioware characters.

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
i actually play as the biggest rear end in a top hat possible in every bioware game

i don't really in other RPGs. just Bioware.

KonvexKonkav
Mar 5, 2014

!Klams posted:

I mean, exactly this. Obviously an operation is more important and more stressful. But it isn't harder to get right, I don't think.

There's a saying "if your third act isn't working, there's a problem with your first act". And that's like, SUPER insightful, helpful advice borne of years of experience. That's as close as it gets to someone telling you how to solve your problem.

Imagine someone going "I've done this all my life: If theres blood coming out the ears, there's a problem on the inside" and the doctor going "AHHHHHhhhhh, that's pretty revelatory, thanks, this will really help!"

:goonsay: performing surgery is not as hard as writing the script for the newest marvel movie

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
surgeons are just plumbers who have to pay more attention to washing up

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

KonvexKonkav posted:

:goonsay: performing surgery is not as hard as writing the script for the newest marvel movie

honestly i bet i could take an appendix out with like, a year of practice but i doubt i could ever write a movie that people would like

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

part of the issue with this dumb comparison is that no one is even working with a consistent or objective definition of what "getting it right" means when it comes to writing a screenplay or any other kind of art

like if a pilot "gets it right" the airplane takes off and lands again with everybody still alive and uninjured and the plane undamaged. what does it mean for a screenwriter to "get it right"? does every member of the audience have to like the movie? does every member of the audience have to be emotionally moved by it in some way? or does the movie just have to do well enough to earn more than was spent on it?

those are very different metrics of what success mean; a lovely movie can still be financially successful and a good one might struggle to find its audience. and if we aren't talking about financial success then its down to subjective taste and emotional experiences of the audience, which vary over space and time for a huge number of reasons.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Aug 23, 2021

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
My posts suck but you must understand that posting is very difficult

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




I think I'm coming around on it actually

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Just keep at it and eventually shitposting will come effortlessly

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Caesar Saladin posted:

honestly i bet i could take an appendix out with like, a year of practice but i doubt i could ever write a movie that people would like

Porn scripts are not that complex.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Good soup! posted:

absolutely

ME2 loving sucked rear end and most of the crew's issues being slight variations of "I HATE MY DAD!!!! :mad:" was pathetic and it's sad that people hold up that loving game like it has good writing

2 has some good moments but dear lord do people gloss over so much awfulness. The entire core plot, the thing not tied into any of the side content, is downright insane. I'm always boggled when people act like ME3's crap came totally out of nowhere.

KonvexKonkav
Mar 5, 2014

Zil posted:

Porn scripts are not that complex.

You need to be a true artist to come up with exchanges like "but I poop from there"- "not right now you don't!"

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

KonvexKonkav posted:

You need to be a true artist to come up with exchanges like "but I poop from there"- "not right now you don't!"

Yeah honestly, the guy who wrote that knew what he was doing. That is both funny and sexy.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Rutibex posted:

surgeons are just plumbers who have to pay more attention to washing up

Sure thing, Mario

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Sure thing, Mario

Mario was a Doctor too. drat it's all starting to make sense.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

John Murdoch posted:

2 has some good moments but dear lord do people gloss over so much awfulness. The entire core plot, the thing not tied into any of the side content, is downright insane. I'm always boggled when people act like ME3's crap came totally out of nowhere.

You are a resurrected messiah figure assembling a group of extremely thirsty followers to go and perform an abortion on a giant human-robot hybrid, what's so hard to understand about that

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
I feel like that summary isn't complete without mention of the space nazis vs. the bug men.

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




That's my favourite aquabats album

itry
Aug 23, 2019




QuarkJets posted:

You are a resurrected messiah figure assembling a group of extremely thirsty followers to go and perform an abortion on a giant human-robot hybrid, what's so hard to understand about that

Sounds like a jRPG when you put it like that

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

QuarkJets posted:

You are a resurrected messiah figure assembling a group of extremely thirsty followers to go and perform an abortion on a giant human-robot hybrid, what's so hard to understand about that

i loved xenogears

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

flavor.flv posted:

That's my favourite aquabats album

Same

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

site posted:

gonna take a guess and say that doing something like trying to save someone while they're dying on the operating table is harder than screenwriting
Okay, but imagine if the hospital administrators kept making you start the surgery over because they just got some marketing data about what organs are "hot" and will "pop" this year.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

site posted:

gonna take a guess and say that doing something like trying to save someone while they're dying on the operating table is harder than screenwriting
If you look at it from a standpoint of successes per attempts, screenwriting definitely appears harder. Success is a lot rarer in screenwriting than in the operating room.

Granted, there's a higher bar to becoming a doctor than becoming a screenwriter. But that high bar doesn't exactly select for the best and brightest doctors.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply