Rad Russian posted:

When server meshing gets released and does nothing Tony Z will release a video saying "well obviously right now it's a Tier 0 implementation of server meshing YOU DUMB FUCKS, we're pushing for full functionality in Tier 4". Then the hoard of citizens will get released into the various forums saying it's clearly a tier 0 implementation in an alpha, and no one has said any features were ever promised. The rest of the year will be spent releasing various toilet texture updates until everyone forgets about the server meshing release.

skeletors_condom posted:

peter gabriel posted:

Coming soon to uplay, answer the call

Nalin posted:

So, this is actually pretty funny. I know this thread will love it. See, CIG's trading system currently works on "Supply" and "Demand". A trade terminal will have a supply of resources it sells and a demand of resources it will buy. It will sell X amount and buy Y amount. The trading server keeps track of this for all servers and the supply/demand are supposedly split or something for that terminal between all the servers. Every 2 minutes the server will allocate more supply/demand to each trade terminal.

So, what this means is if a bunch of people start buying diamond across all the servers at a POI, eventually all the terminals will be sold out of diamond. Conversely, if you are trying to sell your materials, you might not be able to offload everything at once as the POI might only buy a handful at a time. Because more supply and demand slots are created every 2 minutes or so, it means you can be at a terminal clicking sell for half an hour until your cargo is depleted.

Now, everybody knows CIG probably hosed this up somehow, which they most definitely have done. When a server 30K's and crashes and a new server is brought online, most POIs start with only 30% of their supply stock. So immediately that server pulls the missing 70% stock from the global trade server to fill its terminals, causing the available supply across all servers to plummet. This means that when servers are being buggy, you can't buy anything as the servers themselves are depleting all the supply. The server crashes and all of its supply vanishes, then the new server eats up even more.

CIG then did a stupid thing and consolidated all the regional trade servers into one global server. USA and EU used to have separated economies, but not anymore. But when CIG merged them, they didn't bother to increase the supply/demand. So now you had multiple regions of players fighting over the same supply/demand that used to serve a single region.

Then CIG introduced refining. Miners used to be able to sell their raw ore for money, but now they have to turn it into normal commodities. The same ore commodities that traders used to buy and sell. That means that miners are now selling their ore and depleting the demand, which means you can only sell a couple ores at a time because the POI won't let you sell as much as you want. Both traders and miners are fighting over the available demand slots to sell.

All of this completely destroyed the trading economy. Because they are too lazy to triple some supply/demand values, trading is an exercise in frustration as nobody can buy or sell anything.

This has all culminated in the Nine Tails Lockdown mission. This is their fancy new dynamic event that they created in the 3.14 patch. They actually tied this event into the trading system. You have to haul "Medical Supplies" to the locked down station. But the hilarious twist to this? Medical Supplies actually spawn at 0% supply for new servers (instead of 30%). This means that as servers crash, Medical Supplies are constantly eaten up by new servers coming online. And, additionally, the supply refresh is low, so every 2 minutes you might only get a tiny handful of medical supplies. Players are supposed to trade these items, but these items just don't exist.

So GG CIG, your new event is trash because you have refused to change a couple numbers for the past 2 years despite countless people begging you to fix the problem.

Rad Russian posted:

When server meshing gets released and does nothing Tony Z will release a video saying "well obviously right now it's a Tier 0 implementation of server meshing YOU DUMB FUCKS, we're pushing for full functionality in Tier 4". Then the hoard of citizens will get released into the various forums saying it's clearly a tier 0 implementation in an alpha, and no one has said any features were ever promised. The rest of the year will be spent releasing various toilet texture updates until everyone forgets about the server meshing release.

trucutru posted:

know-how

Solarin posted:

Most importantly publishers know how to cancel a failed project

Nalin posted:

CIG's trading system

L. Ron Hoover posted:

So I recently played Returnal and it's equipment screen shows readouts of several things like oxygen, radiation, atmosphere and pressure. They're little meters that go back and forth. It's so pathetic that they probably just faked those meters and decided to focus on making all this gameplay and stuff. And there isn't even a loving argon rating. What a piece of poo poo.

I Greyhound posted:

The gently caress is the Quanta system?

Tippis posted:

You know how Sim City and Cities Skylines (and the X series and… oh… almost every game with a dynamic economy ever) works, with a network of producers, refiners, and end-users, and an agent-based sim that looks at how quickly and easily, and in what quantities, you can move goods from one to the next? And if there's a break in your infrastructure design, the agents get backed up and stuff don't go where they're needed so you end up with ripping and interconnected supply/demand imbalances? And other agents may affect (or be spawned by) what happens along the route?

It's that.
Except less complex.
And poorly not at all done.

But since it has never been done before, and since you can't use the word “agent” or “network” because that would suggest that it's the same thing as those other things it's the same as, they called it “quanta”. Because what other word would you use to describe a collection of individual agents interacting?

Floob posted:

I remember seeing this thread, and thought the game looked like it would never happen... I am also barely aware of this game, but I knew someone who was pretty hyped up about it a few years back, and I just spoke to him over the weekend. Apparently he has over $60,000 into ships and other assorted poo poo and can't wait for it's release...

Is this like a cult or something? Is he delusional? Is there still a launch plan? When he told me how much real money he had into this, I didn't know if I should laugh, cry, or call his next of kin. That is a crazy amount of money to sink into anything virtual, neverminded a game that hasn't even launched.

Solarin posted:

Thanks for sharing this info. I guess game systems that lets players make lots of credits reliably aren't a priority for cig for some reason

BluesShaman posted:

I was going to put a down payment on a house, but I bought some jpegs instead.

Fidelitious posted:

It's costing us less than that guys jpegs to fence and landscape our backyard and put in a 14 x 15 foot pergola. And that's with still inflated prices of lumber.
I'll admit that my backyard cannot transport me through virtual space though.

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

It transports you through real space, since Earth and Solar system and our galaxy are in constant movement, though. Whoooooo!

Scruffpuff posted:

But what are the argon levels?

Fidelitious posted:

It's costing us less than that guys jpegs to fence and landscape our backyard and put in a 14 x 15 foot pergola. And that's with still inflated prices of lumber.
I'll admit that my backyard cannot transport me through virtual space though.

smellmycheese posted:

How long is The Agent going to blue ball the thread? This is getting into Derek territory

quote:

I keep pointing out that we are focusing on PvE more than PvP. No one else here seems to care that the majority of players want things skewed heavily toward PvP. Players want robust networks of faction controlled areas and they want conflict between those areas. This is how you build a perfect sandbox for your players. You give them a few toys and a few rules and they can make their own fun in the game.

I know this is what most of the players want. However, the designers and executives and press people want us all to focus on PvE. Quests! Dress-up! Crew-mates you can romance! Stats you can raise! What a load of pig poo poo nonsense. Our players do not want their hands held from theme-park style ride to theme-park style ride. Players want to feel that adventurous sense of wonder stepping out into unknown territory or going dark to avoid another player's scan. That is fun. That is Star Citizen. It is not currently what our focus is and that's stupid.

When we have ideas from some idiots I work with like putting exclamation identifiers over quest-giver's heads, I speak up. I am told by the care-bear committee that this is what other games are doing. I say that Star Citizen isn't other games. I say that is why we should focus on being different. The looks I get from these idiots. It's because they don't play the game. Their own game. They don't talk to the players. They don't really care because the hope is that after another eighteen months building their theme-park a big AAA shark is going to come along and nibble them up.

Why are we gambling on that as a team? Why did our focus shift so abruptly right before our never-ending lockdowns? Is Chris really saying that we need to focus more on questing and NPC interaction? I think that is pig poo poo because all I hear that from is the guys at Turbulent.

Turbulent, Turbulent, Turbulent. All I hear. They want this. Focus more on this. The max player count doesn't matter because this isn't a PvP game. What the gently caress? Not a PvP game when the core of everything that is Star Citizen is PvP. That's the game we are. Our soul. Now we are making a game for teenagers? We have a dedicated person testing new button schemes and layouts with console controllers to make it feel good on them. People here are looking past what made Star Citizen unique and great and are trying to make it palatable for the larger gaming community.

It is about money and new jobs. They want to release something and if that something is full-up of of dumb things they don't care. They want to pad their CV and get some cushy job where they can gently caress-up even more. You went from Star Citizen to Assassin's Creed! Wow. What a step up. Oh you want to get hired by EA, good for you. You get to move to Commiefornia! Great. All of this performative nonsense makes my blood boil.

They get the player counts okay enough to crew a ship and they want all sorts of things happening on that ship. All scripted. Nothing organic. The power coupler is bad you need an engineer to fix it. Oh no, an enemy scout! They are hailing us. They want to trade? Wow. How powerful. All completely fake and dumb. You might as well put us on the same quest treadmill as Guild Wars 2. Go here, do this. Unlock powerful weapon!

I keep going back and talking about crafting. They don't want to hear it. I say that crafting will bring the players together and make them fight and we need it in the game now. You can have battles over resources and the land those resources are on too. And that's how you should get powerful weapons and god-tier crafters will be known throughout the Verse. Not because some WoW rejected NPC hands it to you for giving him ten Xi'an butts.

We are abandoning our core concepts to whatever pig poo poo nonsense these idiots come up with and I'm sick of it.

TheAgent posted:

hello (finally)

the guy is a real gem obviously

DaysBefore posted:

Wait one of the devs wrote that embarrassing nerd rant? That's amazing

Popete posted:

To be fair TheAgents' hello posts are the Star Citizen equivalent of QAnon.

TheAgent posted:

hello (finally)

Popete posted:

To be fair TheAgents' hello posts are the Star Citizen equivalent of QAnon.

TheAgent posted:

hello (finally)

the guy is a real gem obviously

TheAgent posted:

hello (finally)

the guy is a real gem obviously

TheAgent posted:

hello (finally)

the guy is a real gem obviously

Flared Basic Bitch posted:

I want to say this is fake, but there’s a certain breed of software dev that thinks and acts just like this. I want to believe.

TheAgent posted:

hello (finally)

the guy is a real gem obviously