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repiv posted:Silicon wise the A4000 is equivalent to the 3070 more or less, but with its TDP throttled down to 140W it won't perform as well It would still be quite a good upgrade from a 1080ti tho, right? The more I read about it, the more interesting it seems, and they seem to be more readily available here…
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Zoran posted:I see an awful lot of performance problems reported by people with AMD cards, at least with specific titles. 3DS emulation can be bottlenecked by your CPU. Moving to a 6 core 3600 from a 4 core 3770k (old but running at 4.4GHz) meant I could run MH4U, one of the more demanding games for 3DS emu, smoothly on the same GPU (a heavily modded RX 5700). It doesn't seem to be GPU bound necessarily. Same for emulating BotW, the Wii U version. That 3600 + 5700 combo ran it smoothly at 3440x1440 whereas the 3770k couldn't really do much with the same GPU.
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v1ld posted:3DS emulation can be bottlenecked by your CPU. Moving to a 6 core 3600 from a 4 core 3770k (old but running at 4.4GHz) meant I could run MH4U, one of the more demanding games for 3DS emu, smoothly on the same GPU (a heavily modded RX 5700). It doesn't seem to be GPU bound necessarily. It is pretty CPU dependent, which is why it was a nice upgrade for me last fall going to a 3600x from my i5 whatever from 2013… but I know that my current GeForce GTX 760 gets performance comparable to or even better than what people report with AMD graphics cards from within the last 2 years. I want a new GPU so I can play other modern games, but I think it needs to be nVidia because I’m expecting to do stuff with higher-end upscaling and the like on Citra and potentially Yuzu, and I don’t want to jeopardize that with AMD’s OpenGL drivers.
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I ran Citra with no problems with this RX 5700 and a 7970 before that, if that helps any with your decision. E: no problems doesn't include MH4U which came out late in the N3DS cycle I think and didn't emulate well until I got that 3600. v1ld fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 24, 2021 |
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:It would still be quite a good upgrade from a 1080ti tho, right? I wouldn't expect it to be a very big upgrade, actually. You may be able to go up one additional graphical preset with one, and you would be able to make use of DLSS and ray tracing, but it's not going to be as dramatic of an upgrade as you'd expect when going up two generations. It may be worth it if you can find one for cheap, but my impression is that these things are priced higher than consumer GPUs typically due to them being meant for businesses.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I wouldn't expect it to be a very big upgrade, actually. You may be able to go up one additional graphical preset with one, and you would be able to make use of DLSS and ray tracing, but it's not going to be as dramatic of an upgrade as you'd expect when going up two generations. It may be worth it if you can find one for cheap, but my impression is that these things are priced higher than consumer GPUs typically due to them being meant for businesses. Thank you, I actually found one at MSRP but reading more about it, seems closer to a 3060 in actual performance https://magazine.renderosity.com/article/6428/review-nvidias-new-rtx-a4000-professional-graphics-card Apparently they're more stable and ISV certified and so on, definitely meant for design work In short: Not great, not terrible
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Card finally shipped It should be here by 7pm tomorrow. Seriously can't wait. I'm so happy to finally have a 'complete' new computer. Also unrelated but I have a NZXT X61 that I'm using with my 3600x at the moment, but I saw that NZXT came out with a product called the "G12" that allows you to use an AIO cooler with a video card. https://nzxt.com/product/kraken-g12 Has anyone tried this out? It's only like $30 on Amazon and it seems like it would be pretty good if you're looking to overclock your card. The G12 supports AIO coolers made by other brands as well. The 'rear fan' space in my case is still unused and I was thinking about getting a 120mm radiator for the video card. Would this be a worthwhile move do the 5700xt cards ship pretty close to their maximum output like the Ryzen chips?
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64bit_Dophins posted:Card finally shipped I don't know if I'd trust those kinds of one-size-fits-all solutions. How does the VRAM get cooled here? edit: I'm reading their manual, and it seems like they're just relying on the fan to blow air directly onto the exposed memory modules and VRMs to cool them. I'm not sure that's if good enough for a lot of cards though... Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Aug 24, 2021 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I don't know if I'd trust those kinds of one-size-fits-all solutions. How does the VRAM get cooled here? NZXT actually doesn't list any Ampere GPUs as compatible with the G12 so I guess the answer is "it doesn't cool the VRAM well enough to handle spicy GDDR6X" repiv fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Aug 24, 2021 |
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Yeah, I checked the manual and you're just blowing air onto exposed memory modules and VRMs. Seems iffy. Might work for the 6700 XT, but it also strikes me as very unnecessary.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Yeah, I checked the manual and you're just blowing air onto exposed memory modules and VRMs. Seems iffy. Might work for the 6700 XT, but it also strikes me as very unnecessary. I've seen people benching OC'd 2080 supers claim that temps peak at 71c but I would imagine newer cards probably push 80? There are several guides for the 6700xt with the g12 because apparently it takes very well to overclocking. I'm not going to bother for now honestly, after looking at OC benchmarks for the ASRock card I bought I'm confident that the included cooling solution is more than beefy enough to handle it.
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There's a whole lotta stuff in the next newegg shuffle, including a $599 3070 Ti (MSRP, in 2021?) You know the GPU market is in a weird place when a Ti card is cheaper than a non-Ti card from the same brand. Can't tell if this is a pricing error or what.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:It would still be quite a good upgrade from a 1080ti tho, right? FWIW, I'm planning an upgrade to that with an Accelero cooler from my 1080. I do lots of CAD for work, though, so I get benefits from SOLIDWORKS and similar software, especially on the VRAM side for whacky poo poo like 3D scanning. Long term, though, plonking in for the $1k engineering card and not having to worry about crypto bullshit is nice for my video games as well.
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Biowarfare posted:LHR related maybe? Yeah you can't mine with ampere ti cards very well so sometimes they can be found cheaper. Crypto was a mistake.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Yeah you can't mine with ampere ti cards very well so sometimes they can be found cheaper. Crypto was a mistake. Every new ampere card being sold now is LHR I believe, including both of those in that image. It's been this way for a couple months now. edit: besides the 3090 I think, which is still not LHR. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Aug 24, 2021 |
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I know it fits the polygonal design theme here, but doesn't the angular bends in the fan blades hamper its cooling and noise efficiency? https://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/hof/geforce-rtx-3080ti-hof.html
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In case anyone wants to pay the premium for a 3080Ti or 3090 there are a few combos in stock at Newegg right now where the combo'ed item isn't terribly expensive: MSI 3080 Ti ($1,769.99) + some random RAM ($74.99): https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4331513 https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4331514 Gigabyte 3090 Vision OC ($2,149.99) + some cheap motherboard ($77.99): https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4334143 (I think if you're going to splash that much cash you might as well go for the 24GB 3090 over the 12GB 3080Ti though.)
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good interview by DF with Intel reps on Arc and XeSS https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ange-the-market interesting bit to me quote:Now, when you think about how do you run that XeSS algorithm? The initial ones we've talked about are the XMX engines, which are systolic that's kind of the traditional method of doing fast inference on a GPU. And the other method is DP4A, which is another kind of simpler form that can be more broadly adopted across multiple different architectures. So I think of it as, on hardware platforms from Intel that support the core engine, we expect to make XeSS available on that device. So that's, that's pretty cool, right? You kind of say, we have multiple backends that all plug in underneath a common API. And that is, to me, the most important thing is that ISVs are looking for these common APIs. So they can do one integration. shrike82 fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Aug 24, 2021 |
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shrike82 posted:https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1429736615379881986 Genuinely looking forward to this. Likely going to be a big step up for integrated graphics gaming performance, and also, AM5 systems all having integrated graphics will add some nice additional options for extra displays with ryzen systems.
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They might learn something from providing APUs to both current gen consoles too
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:They might learn something from providing APUs to both current gen consoles too I mean that did that for last gen consoles too and i wouldn't say they learned anything significant?
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NewFatMike posted:FWIW, I'm planning an upgrade to that with an Accelero cooler from my 1080. I do lots of CAD for work, though, so I get benefits from SOLIDWORKS and similar software, especially on the VRAM side for whacky poo poo like 3D scanning. If you do end up getting it, I’d love some benchmarks or any comments about it, most benchmarks I’ve seen measure for Vray or machine learning stuff, but I’m curious how it performs on regular games I’ve been reading a little more about the RTX A series, they’re not a bad idea if you do 3d stuff. While the A4000 is a little underwhelming, the A5000 seems like the sweet spot, equivalent to a 3090 in performance (the A6000 is like 5k for slightly better numbers, so hard pass). Lots of vram too, a very nice plus in any graphics app MSRP of 2,300 for an A5000 is not THAT crazy compared to a 3090 in 2021, and they seem much more available. You can stack a bunch of them too, if you got tons of gold For now, just idle reading, while I decide if I’m better off waiting for the regular RTX 4000 series. I don’t *need* an upgrade but it would be nice. And not having to hunt for it is a nice plus
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shrike82 posted:good interview by DF with Intel reps on Arc and XeSS Another detail I missed before is they are offloading BVH traversal to the RT units, mirroring how Nvidia does it (as opposed to AMD who traverse on the shader cores)
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I have a question: if you had to get a GPU for professional work, say, Adobe Premier and Photoshop, but the professional-level cards are outside of what corporate would approve for the budget, what would be the lowest-grade consumer card that would be acceptable? alternatively, if I'd need more information to be able to make a decision between, say, getting 3060s or 3070s, what would I do to gather data? how would I measure that?
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gradenko_2000 posted:I have a question: if you had to get a GPU for professional work, say, Adobe Premier and Photoshop, but the professional-level cards are outside of what corporate would approve for the budget, what would be the lowest-grade consumer card that would be acceptable? What kind of work? Photoshop mainly relies on CPU processing and rarely uses GPU acceleration from what I've seen (though I don't use it for video or 3D work)
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:If you do end up getting it, I’d love some benchmarks or any comments about it, most benchmarks I’ve seen measure for Vray or machine learning stuff, but I’m curious how it performs on regular games makes less sense for 3080 and above since the consumer cards have G6X and the pro cards don't - there'll be a bigger perf gap
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https://wccftech.com/intel-xess-interview-karthik-vaidyanathan Some more info on XeSS. Confirms the fast path won't use NVs tensor cores (at least not until there's some more API standardization around matrix ops) and names Turing and RDNA2 as the baseline for running the slower path on non-Intel hardware.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:If you do end up getting it, I’d love some benchmarks or any comments about it, most benchmarks I’ve seen measure for Vray or machine learning stuff, but I’m curious how it performs on regular games Absolutely! It'll be a bit, mostly contingent on getting a new job in the field that allows me to actually pay down my credit cards in a timely manner, but this is something I'm super interested in doing for folks. I think there's probably an emerging section of folks who can really utilize an engineering card and want to play video games.
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Oh poo poo, EVGA notified me that the 3060 ti I reserved in December is available to buy
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😳 👉👈 This 3080 ti is insane, I wish you all the best of luck
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I just got my 3080ti as well! I got the bundle from ANTonline that was posted last week. Came with the GPU, PSU, and a silly EVGA gaming keyboard that I may or may not use. I need a new keyboard and I’ll try it out but not sure I’ll use it going forward. Dummy thicc!!! Won’t be able to do my new build till Saturday when the rest of my components ship in.
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I priced out the cost of the bundle individually and kinda figured that Antonline was charging an extra $100 - $150 “gently caress YOU PAY ME” fee for the bundle. Oh well, at least they’re not a scalper or reseller and my GPU is brand new.
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Stupid question as I was the goon complaining about fan noise a while back, after I realised that the actual noise that I could hear was coil whine. Current system is a 5900x with a new corsair 750w platinum psu and pretty much under any gpu load I can hear coil whine. I ran the same card (3080ti fe) in my old system for a bit which has a 750w evga psu and never noticed it. So I'm wondering if the new psu I bought just isn't up to the task maybe? I kinda hate it anyway as it has caps in the cables which make cable management a huge pain. I know the obvious thing is to try the old psu out in the new system or just shove the gpu into the old one to see if it's definitely that. Have people warrantied a gpu because of coil whine? I mean I probably wouldn't care if it wasn't a grands worth of card, but well it's a grands worth of gpu. Edit: Thinking about it I even ran the card in the old build with the sidepanel off the case because I was worried about airflow and never noticed any coil whine.
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Got my ASRock Challenger D 6700xt today. This thing is totally cool and good. Resident Evil Village looks drat near real life this is completely crazy. I have a 750w EVGA gold power supply and everything is fine so far. I've had this power supply for about two years so it probably wouldn't hurt to invest in a new one soon.
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64bit_Dophins posted:Got my ASRock Challenger D 6700xt today. Good power supplies can last for a decade before needing replacement.
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64bit_Dophins posted:I've had this power supply for about two years so it probably wouldn't hurt to invest in a new one soon. What? Why? The PSU scaremongering I've seen a little of in this thread has put some weird ideas into people's heads.
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