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cruft posted:'Round these parts, farmers drive combine harvesters down the road to get from one field to the next, and people deal with it. Anybody claiming that's unsafe gets laughed out of the room. Nobody's trying to merge a combine onto the interstate, or at least I hope not.
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borkencode posted:Nobody's trying to merge a combine onto the interstate, or at least I hope not. That's why interstates have a minimum speed of 45. Slow vehicles need to stick to the two-lanes.
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NJ Deac posted:I went to see and sat in an e-tron GT today. It's a very pretty car. Assuming I can wrap my head around the idea of dropping an unreasonable amount of money on a car, I could use some advice processing some unusual stuff the dealer told me. Not 100% clear what you're asking - is it whether the car can have has any faults at all pre delivery? I suspect that EVs are sufficiently complicated machines that a few errors while they're setting it up is not abnormal. I don't think those would appear as warranty repairs, but no real idea tbh. My car has been back to the garage for a couple of updates and I wouldn't consider it any kind of red flag for that to have happened.
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Fame Douglas posted:I don't get the obsession with acceleration; I've never once needed my car to accelerate fast, and it's uncomfortable for passengers when you're not driving alone. Fast acceleration is entirely superfluous, I'm not driving on a racetrack.  Anyway speaking of race tracks, I bought a cute snell SA2020 helmet and got in touch with a local racing group. Ya girl is headed to Laguna Seca  gonna show up to one of their novice days to learn the ropes.
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knox_harrington posted:Not 100% clear what you're asking - is it whether the car can have has any faults at all pre delivery? Mostly whether an non-specific drivetrain fault right off the boat is something I should be very worried about, a little worried about, not worried at all about, or which I should get documentation about before deciding whether I care. Right now I'm leaning toward not especially worried because of the manufacturer warranty, but thought I'd ask for a second opinion since I don't know what I don't know here.
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NJ Deac posted:Mostly whether an non-specific drivetrain fault right off the boat is something I should be very worried about, a little worried about, not worried at all about, or which I should get documentation about before deciding whether I care. I think it depends entirely on what that fault was. There have been some reports of Taycans giving 4WD faults which were addressed in a software update. But as the GT is so new I don't know how comparable they are, and I don't think anyone does yet. Personally I would be very cautious, it's an expensive bit of kit. I wouldn't buy one that has a drivetrain fault until I was sure it's fixed.
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It's pretty common for a new car to have some sort of issue.
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Vegetable posted:Watch my man Doug's O face here. A sentence that will forever haunt my nightmares. Just...... NO Speleothing posted:TBH I would definitely be in favor of geofencing top acceleration to only be on racetracks and airstrips. Anything faster than a 4s 0-60 is unnecessary. One day I'll complete the car project where a Forester with a 12 sec 0-100kpm time gets engine swapped to be able to do under 4. Also monkeys might fly out my rear end
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Guido Merkens posted:2,634 mi in 2+ years? Yeah I'm a loser who stays at home most of the time with 4 others who own cars, so yeah mine doesn't see much use. I really shouldn't own it but it's not like that money would be better used. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Fame Douglas posted:I don't get the obsession with acceleration; I've never once needed my car to accelerate fast, and it's uncomfortable for passengers when you're not driving alone. Fast acceleration is entirely superfluous, I'm not driving on a racetrack. It’s useful for getting on freeways.
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Fame Douglas posted:I don't get the obsession with acceleration; I've never once needed my car to accelerate fast, and it's uncomfortable for passengers when you're not driving alone. Fast acceleration is entirely superfluous, I'm not driving on a racetrack. It's not, in many cases being able to accelerate quickly is a safety feature. Look around where you're posting. Most people here don't want cars that are appliances and cars are allowed to be fun for no really good reason. Also, my kid loves empty highway merges, she'll ask me to take the highway home from a park we go to even though it's longer so we can do a fun merge from 20-75. There's nothing more fun than a fast car and even my 4 year old knows it.
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You say it’s safety but immediately give an example of fun. Cool. To expand on my quasi pointless point. Wouldn’t the actual safety feature that leads to faster acceleration be the regenerative braking since that should also be pretty fast in terms of slowing / stopping the car (assuming you’re not driving like a madman)
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Aug 25, 2021 12:47
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:You say it’s safety but immediately give an example of fun. Cool. Well... outside of a few select highways most country roads where I live are single carriageway and overtaking a B-Double crawling along means being on the wrong side of the road. What would you rather, 15 seconds crawling past the 40 meter long truck or a five second blast that gets you out of the danger zone rapidly? Okay yes, being able to throttle up and go is also a shitload of fun. Still, I'd rather have loads of overtaking power. It's less frustrating and more relaxing to not be forced to dwadle beind a truck or a caravan because you havent got the power to overtake.
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Friction braking is the safety feature, regen is an efficiency feature. Acceleration isn't a safety feature unless it's so slow that it's a hazard in itself. But that's not really a feature in the same way that the absence of poison barbs on the steering wheel isn't a safety feature. It's definitely nice to have when darting into gaps, doing so without good acceleration could be hazardous but then the safe way of driving is simply to wait for a bigger gap. Calling it an actual safety feature is something you do tongue-in-cheek to justify the purchase to significant others or similar.
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I feel like everybody was singing a different tune about safety when it was the 4½ ton hummer EV that was going 0-60 in 4 seconds.
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I believe it’s 3.
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Even "appliance" EVs like the Volt/Bolt have pretty good punch overtaking at highway speeds because they don't have to worry about a downshift.
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Yes, even the stupid 2017 Leaf can really tear rear end compared to the 255in³ 9MPG land yacht I had in high school.
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knox_harrington posted:Not 100% clear what you're asking - is it whether the car can have has any faults at all pre delivery? Any ~$100k car gets a pretty extensive and model-specific PDI at the dealer that will inevitably (you hope) find and fix a series of faults. I'd also consider this to be normal.
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 We have working dispensers!
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Having just driven for 7 hours on the 401 this weekend in Ontario I can confidently say that it would have been nice if my 4 cylinder Subaru Legacy had better acceleration so I could actually get out of slow lanes without risking my entire family.
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Jimong5 posted:Even "appliance" EVs like the Volt/Bolt have pretty good punch overtaking at highway speeds because they don't have to worry about a downshift. Absolutely. Like it's fine if you find high acceleration fun, most people seem to but let's not pretend after a certain point it's still a safety feature. People don't need Tesla acceleration.
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EngineerJoe posted:Having just driven for 7 hours on the 401 this weekend in Ontario I can confidently say that it would have been nice if my 4 cylinder Subaru Legacy had better acceleration so I could actually get out of slow lanes without risking my entire family. In San Diego and Los Angeles I am often faced with merging into a freeway with traffic running at 75mph or higher.
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Everyone who is saying that acceleration is just for fun should go take a motorcycle safety course. There are 4 directions out of any hazardous situation, and brakes only enable one of those. Especially when you’re already moving at relatively high speed, stopping to avoid a hazard may not be an option, and around/past is your best choice. Acceleration is also very fun. I bought an EV for the latter reason.
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Sonic Dude posted:Everyone who is saying that acceleration is just for fun should go take a motorcycle safety course. I believe the argument on the floor is that 0-60 in 3 seconds isn't a safety feature.
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Sonic Dude posted:Everyone who is saying that acceleration is just for fun should go take a motorcycle safety course. There are 4 directions out of any hazardous situation, and brakes only enable one of those. cruft posted:I believe the argument on the floor is that 0-60 in 3 seconds isn't a safety feature. Where to draw the line between useful and just there for fun is obviously subjective, but some people here are acting like no one has ever floored the accelerator for reasons other than their own entertainment.
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I bought a dragy and it arrived yesterday might go out and do some safety related acceleration testing later today.
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Sonic Dude posted:Everyone who is saying that acceleration is just for fun should go take a motorcycle safety course. There are 4 directions out of any hazardous situation, and brakes only enable one of those. Especially when you’re already moving at relatively high speed, stopping to avoid a hazard may not be an option, and around/past is your best choice. I ride as well and the number of people who get injured because they buy a bike that’s too powerful for them is much higher than the number of people saved by buying a bike more powerful than a 300. It’s a terrible example, like claiming that guns are for safety because they could save your life in a very rare situation. At least with motorcycles those people are generally only maiming or killing themselves though. Anyway, acceleration is fun, and that’s why people like it, there’s no need to try and invent a more sensible reason like the need to escape an 18 wheeler with no brakes barreling down on you like your life is constantly turning into a Crash Bandicoot game.
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Acceleration antidote. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lE7rcN4EnE I want one, in the most Austin Powers paint and fabric they can do.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:
That's a very smart looking charger right there. You should be proud! Also the print on that truck is badass and I kind of want it.
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wolrah posted:Exactly. There are a few clips out there of people avoiding getting rear ended while stopped due to traffic by using EV acceleration to get on the shoulder or otherwise get out of the way. I'm sure that ability is even more important to two-wheelers when some dipshit doesn't see them. Okay but the original topic in which "safety" was raised wasn't about acceleration in general, which is high across the board for EVs. It was in the context of nerds comparing 0-60 acceleration stats and being like "well this car is better because it can reach 60 mph 0.2 seconds faster than this other car" and constantly slamming hard on the accelerator regardless of whether it's safe or reasonable to do so No one's saying that EVs need to have their acceleration decreased or whatever, someone was just making light-hearted fun out of car bros
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I was saying just that.
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Speleothing posted:I was saying just that. Sorry I meant to say no one *who counts* was saying that. That opinion is dumb as hell so you don't get a vote QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Sonic Dude posted:Everyone who is saying that acceleration is just for fun should go take a motorcycle safety course. There are 4 directions out of any hazardous situation, and brakes only enable one of those. Especially when you’re already moving at relatively high speed, stopping to avoid a hazard may not be an option, and around/past is your best choice. This is as dumb in this discussion as it is in a motorcycle discussion. Everyone who says "oh man my motorcycle is too slow for the highway" are just poo poo riders. If you've put yourself in a situation where the ONLY way out is quickly accelerating, you've failed already and need to figure out why you ended up there so it doesn't happen again. Generally you shouldn't be adding speed to any hazardous situation. wolrah posted:Exactly. There are a few clips out there of people avoiding getting rear ended while stopped due to traffic by using EV acceleration to get on the shoulder or otherwise get out of the way. I'm sure that ability is even more important to two-wheelers when some dipshit doesn't see them. Most drivers aren't even aware of being in traffic much less checking their mirrors for getting rear ended. This is an extremely out there example. You could perform it in a regular car as well if that's something you're used to checking for (ie you're probably a motorcycle rider).
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DoomTrainPhD posted:
Is it one cable per stand?
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Charles posted:Is it one cable per stand? It sure is! Standard CCS.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:It sure is! Standard CCS. Looks nice! No screen, just plug and play? Pretty easy. Are you gonna have dual cable models or will they all be individual? Does that mean they each get their own cabinet? Edit: if you're allowed to tell.
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cruft posted:I feel like everybody was singing a different tune about safety when it was the 4½ ton hummer EV that was going 0-60 in 4 seconds. We were but to be fair a hummer has almost 2.5x the kinetic energy of an rear end in a top hat in a mustang showboating in front of his friends at the same speed and we know how dangerous that is. The real issue with the hummer isn’t how fast it is but how much mass it’s moving at that speed. That and the fact that road wear rises exponentially with weight.
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