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Cowcaster posted:wasn’t there one where spearman beat tanks yes exactly that's why they developed the horse paste
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How are u posted:If the CCP wants to dispel the lab leak theory then maybe they should, I dunno, let the world in to prove it wrong. Even assuming they're completely innocent and want to cooperate, I don't think there's anything they could do to definitively prove it didn't leak from a lab. Trying to prove a negative is hard even when conspiracies aren't involved. A lot of people would continue to assume they're hiding something no matter what they share. It also doesn't matter. Even if we had a smoking gun, what then? A bit of sabre rattling and finger pointing, but ultimately nothing changes. We already should assume every advanced country has similar labs and there's always a small risk of an oopsie because humans will find a way to gently caress up even the most well thought out safety protocols. Natural evolution is also pumping out novel viruses all the time. So it's not like the threat landscape suddenly changes. If there's anything to learn, it's not how to prevent the next covid-level virus from ever existing in the wild -- it's how to detect and respond to it when it happens again.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:As a scientist and academic who frequently works in public policy and who has spent that last year and a half working on COVID-19 and meeting research groups to adapt policy at a city, county and state level, and whom is married to an epidemiologist who has literally spent the last year studying and publishing on COVID-19 and who is also on these same policy boards, and who went to graduate school with and am still close friends with people working in the federal response to COVID-19, my advice to you is to not take any advice from a bunch of random people on SomethingAwful.com when it comes to anything related to COVID-19. You're not wrong but even just "ask your doctor" really sucks when regular doctors mostly just fall back on CDC and FDA recommendations. CDC and FDA have been so slow, getting an appointment to talk to a doctor is so slow, there's no way to really have a dialogue with them. My friend's doctor told him back in March of 2020 to go ahead and take a trip to Florida. I told him he was insane and Florida was a probable hotbed of covid. By the time he was on his way back he was worried about an interstate lockdown being imposed and had to navigate through an airport filled with people who'd just been kicked off cruise ships. My point isn't that my friend should listen to me instead of his doctor regarding medical advice, but that regular doctors are going to be wrong a LOT especially if they follow the CDC and FDA. It just creates a lovely situation because the experts regular people have access to have been wrong so much and so often. My doctor refuses to do televisits and I'm very uncomfortable going to his poorly ventilated office. I'm not about to take covid advice from a guy who is operating like that. But finding a new doctor sucks too. edit: I'll add that I have friends who buy into ivermectin and they are incredibly frustrated with the "ask your doctor" approach too because they feel like they've done their research (which they presented to the doc) and were roundly ignored. It's pretty clear to me that horse paste is a scam but I have another friend who asked their doctor about booster shots a month ago and got a brush off as well. Only now, booster shots are about to be public policy. So like, it's easy to see how trust in experts is eroded because doctors can't possibly keep up with this stuff, are wrong so often when you ask them things, and don't have the time to patiently explain rationale for treatment decisions until patients are satisfied. Dren fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Aug 27, 2021 |
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Aug 27, 2021 22:47
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Nobody is safe until everyone is safe Mandatory international travel restrictions and quarantines, forever. There will always be another novel virus around the corner, and long quarantines are the proven effective way to stop diseases from spreading internationally.
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 It's time! Time for another animal -> human mutated jump!
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Aug 27, 2021 23:47
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low key sex master posted:
It more likely means that since COVID-19 can use large, common game like deers as a reserve, it will never go completely away anywhere on the planet. Even if we put all of the "muh rights"-people into a concentration camp or do mandatory vaccinations.
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Dren posted:You're not wrong but even just "ask your doctor" really sucks when regular doctors mostly just fall back on CDC and FDA recommendations. Yeah I don't think I've gotten a single useful/actionable piece of advice from any of the 3-4 doctors I've talked to since the start of the pandemic. One of them had a mask hanging around his neck when he came into the room. Regular GP's or specialists in stuff other than infectious diseases have no special insight and probably no time to look carefully enough into your situation (if your situation is unique for medical reasons). The best anyone has done is suggested a N95 might be a good option for me if I'm worried... while I was already wearing an N95. Even the doctor that prescribed me immunosupressant drugs showed zero interest in doing antibody testing on me. When I ask them or my GP about what I'm supposed to do when COVID lasts another 3+ years due to antivax dipshits I just get a shrug.
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I thought we'd been seen SARS-CoV-2 in deer populations? Maybe this is just the first time it's been seen in Ohio?
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Aug 28, 2021 00:32
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Dren posted:You're not wrong but even just "ask your doctor" really sucks when regular doctors mostly just fall back on CDC and FDA recommendations. CDC and FDA have been so slow, getting an appointment to talk to a doctor is so slow, there's no way to really have a dialogue with them.
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Aug 28, 2021 00:33
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Aug 28, 2021 00:34
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I think something that just got announced that people need to be aware of is that the new guidance is that you don't have to space out flu and covid vaccinations by 3 weeks anymore. I know people who got burned by that in the early parts of this year, where they decided to get a flu shot and then were turned down for a covid shot that became available.
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Aug 28, 2021 00:38
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Zugzwang posted:I'm a scientist myself -- not an epidemiologist, but adjacent to covid -- and I have to say that I still find this situation bewildering. How can we trust the CDC when they took ages to promote mask usage or acknowledge community spread/airborne transmission? Or most recently, when they committed the disastrous blunder of saying that the vaccinated may go maskless indoors? What the hell did they think the unvaccinated (many of whom were anti-mask/anti-NPI to begin with) were going to do? While I realize that scientific information is ever-evolving and that we need to keep modifying our beliefs in accordance with new evidence, I keep seeing recommendations being made that violate the precautionary principle, and it's all very Stickman posted:I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'm a public health statistician, but I work primarily with social and behavioral determinants of health and while I have done work with vaccinations I haven't worked directly with COVID. My partner is an epidemiologist in a CDC/state research position who works with infectious diseases but not COVID. I feel reasonably qualified to at least assess the veracity of COVID-related evidence, models, and messaging. Watching the CDC's continual missteps, "white lie" messaging, misuse of statistics, mismanagement of surveillance, and sidelining of the precautionary principle has been horrifying. I understand that politic structures and pressure make it nearly impossible to construct unified and effective pandemic responses in the US, but it's been beyond even that. I'm not sure being truthful and treating the public as thinking adults would been any better. poo poo masks work? How many do I need? All of them? Okay buying all of them. What do you mean healthcare workers are unable to work? LAZY! CDC says not to eat horse dewormer? What's this about horse dewormer? Oh gently caress I need to get me some. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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Zugzwang posted:My mom is immunosuppressed due to a transplant, and I suggested that she should get a 3rd shot due to the data from Israel and publications showing improved antibody titers in transplant recipients. She checked with her transplant doctor and received a detailed email reply explaining why it was a dumb idea. A few days later, the CDC officially recommended it. lol Some transplant teams are unhelpful as poo poo and worry more about reducing their workload than helping their patients I've been really disappointed with our new one Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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Aug 28, 2021 02:51
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Duck and Cover posted:I'm not sure being truthful and treating the public as thinking adults would been any better. poo poo masks work? How many do I need? All of them? Okay buying all of them. What do you mean healthcare workers are unable to work? LAZY! Nah, by initially telling the public not to wear masks, they didn't actually stop people from panic buying masks -- they were still sold out and hard to find in early 2020. But they did successfully hurt their own credibility. I still have family who love to point out Fauci said not to wear masks, then changed his story, so he's a liar and you can't trust him. Of course, they're all antimask chuds who are looking for any possible reason to avoid personal responsibility, but still, health officials being deceitful does nothing but supply them with fuel for the disinformation machine. It's better for officials to just be as honest as possible than to try to be puppet masters or use reverse psychology to trick people into doing the right thing. They're not competent enough for that to work, and it only takes a small percentage of people being unconvinced to hoard the entire world's retail supply of toliet paper, n95 masks, or  .
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They specifically said that wearing a mask was worse than not wearing one. It was not just telling people not to wear them.
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Zugzwang posted:I'm a scientist myself -- not an epidemiologist, but adjacent to covid -- and I have to say that I still find this situation bewildering. How can we trust the CDC when they took ages to promote mask usage or acknowledge community spread/airborne transmission? Or most recently, when they committed the disastrous blunder of saying that the vaccinated may go maskless indoors? What the hell did they think the unvaccinated (many of whom were anti-mask/anti-NPI to begin with) were going to do? While I realize that scientific information is ever-evolving and that we need to keep modifying our beliefs in accordance with new evidence, I keep seeing recommendations being made that violate the precautionary principle, and it's all very The bolded part above is what led me to be more skeptical of the CDC at this point. I was skeptical when Trump was at the helm, but I had hoped for better after he was gone. Instead we got a practical blanket lifting of mask mandates mid-week in mid-May, and it was off to the loving races. I talked poo poo about that at the time, and it's one of those "I told you so" things that I wish I had been wrong about.
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Tunicate posted:They specifically said that wearing a mask was worse than not wearing one. It was not just telling people not to wear them. My dad still claims this is true and argues with people who ask him to wear one, because the mask acts like a fisherman's net for covid particles and draws them into your mouth. But also, if you tell him that masks are to prevent you from spewing your covid cloud to other people, he will immediately pivot to the holes in masks being too big to capture covid particles. He has a PhD in a science (physics). It's really depressing coming to the slow realization that the parents you once thought were super smart are, and probably always have been, amazingly stupid.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:The bolded part above is what led me to be more skeptical of the CDC at this point. I was skeptical when Trump was at the helm, but I had hoped for better after he was gone. Instead we got a practical blanket lifting of mask mandates mid-week in mid-May, and it was off to the loving races. I talked poo poo about that at the time, and it's one of those "I told you so" things that I wish I had been wrong about. For p much everyone who's stance was "democrats only care about this pandemic for political leverage as the out of power party and will immediately flip when Biden is at the helm" it was the neon sign that they were right, politics suck, and you can in fact not get off mr bone's wild ride.
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Imagine hospitals just sending folks with Covid home if they aren’t vaccinated by choice.
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Bad Purchase posted:Nah, by initially telling the public not to wear masks, they didn't actually stop people from panic buying masks -- they were still sold out and hard to find in early 2020. But they did successfully hurt their own credibility. I still have family who love to point out Fauci said not to wear masks, then changed his story, so he's a liar and you can't trust him. Of course, they're all antimask chuds who are looking for any possible reason to avoid personal responsibility, but still, health officials being deceitful does nothing but supply them with fuel for the disinformation machine. It's easy to go "whelp that didn't work" after the fact while being unable to tell if it would have been worse had they suggested buying masks. I of course bought masks, I'm not an idiot and I care more about myself and my family then I do about the healthcare worker I'll never know. I prefer whatever is the most effective, and while I suspect in the long term eroding trust in the CDC is worse in the short term it might have been the right move. Tunicate posted:They specifically said that wearing a mask was worse than not wearing one. It was not just telling people not to wear them. I'm going to need a source on this. edit: Actually I didn't order n95s until 11/4/20 but we did already have some before all this started so whatever and I had a respirator as well. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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Some doctors were arguing that masks were worse than no masks because they’d encourage excess face-touching, and face-touching is what everyone was obsessed with at the time. I don’t remember if the CDC was saying that though.CaptainSarcastic posted:The bolded part above is what led me to be more skeptical of the CDC at this point. I was skeptical when Trump was at the helm, but I had hoped for better after he was gone. Instead we got a practical blanket lifting of mask mandates mid-week in mid-May, and it was off to the loving races. I talked poo poo about that at the time, and it's one of those "I told you so" things that I wish I had been wrong about.
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Faustian Bargain posted:Imagine hospitals just sending folks with Covid home if they aren’t vaccinated by choice. 
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Duck and Cover posted:I'm going to need a source on this. I remember lots of posts in this thread being "normal people can't use masks properly and will touch their face and mask too much and it will be worse than no mask" at the start of 2020. No official source though
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Duck and Cover posted:I'm going to need a source on this. the surgeon general, multiple times on fox & friends lol https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/surgeon-general-against-masks/
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ymgve posted:I remember lots of posts in this thread being "normal people can't use masks properly and will touch their face and mask too much and it will be worse than no mask" at the start of 2020. No official source though Oh absolutely I remember posts being like masks are super difficult to put on properly and if you don't put them on properly they are worthless. I'm not a super genius but gently caress people are dumb. Inept posted:the surgeon general, multiple times on fox & friends Not CDC, but that's just me nitpicking, close enough. Thanks. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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Anonymous Zebra posted:As a scientist and academic who frequently works in public policy and who has spent that last year and a half working on COVID-19 and meeting research groups to adapt policy at a city, county and state level, and whom is married to an epidemiologist who has literally spent the last year studying and publishing on COVID-19 and who is also on these same policy boards, and who went to graduate school with and am still close friends with people working in the federal response to COVID-19, my advice to you is to not take any advice from a bunch of random people on SomethingAwful.com when it comes to anything related to COVID-19. you sure mastered the academic art of the run on sentence
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Faustian Bargain posted:Imagine hospitals just sending folks with Covid home if they aren’t vaccinated by choice. Wait So hospitals heal you, that's where you go when you can't breathe But also the same people want to vaccinate you, but you don't want that 
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Zugzwang posted:Some doctors were arguing that masks were worse than no masks because they’d encourage excess face-touching, and face-touching is what everyone was obsessed with at the time. I don’t remember if the CDC was saying that though. Yeah, Dr. Fauci was spreading that early on. He later came out and said that he only said that so people wouldn't buy up all the masks that medical people needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaZ5l1X7cTo&t=345s
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Did we seriously have some fuckwit here yammering about kids being sent to school as no problem because of the CDC recommendations? When the places where this is the worst, the spread is the most uncontrolled and people are dying the fastest are places that literally make it their business to not follow any of those recommendations? There's disingenuous, and then there's just plain, rank stupidity. Dunning Kruger at it's finest. That, and it really is a loving death cult, top to bottom.
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US outbreaks force early reversals on in-person learningquote:“We just couldn’t manage it with that much staff out, having to cover classes and the spread so rapid,” said Eddie Morris, superintendent of the 1,050-student Johnson County district in Georgia. With 40% of students in quarantine or isolation, the district shifted last week to online instruction until Sept. 13. quote:In Georgia, more than 68,000 students — over 4% of the state’s 1.7 million in public schools — are affected by shutdowns so far. Many superintendents said they have already recorded more cases and quarantines than during all of last year, when most rural districts held in-person classes for most students. Don’t worry. There’s a solution. quote:The onslaught is driving changes in mask policies. Weeks before school started, only a handful of large districts covering fewer than a quarter of students across Georgia were requiring face coverings. Now, mask mandates cover more than half of students.
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spacetoaster posted:He later came out and said that he only said that so people wouldn't buy up all the masks that medical people needed. Platystemon posted:Don’t worry. There’s a solution.
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Zugzwang posted:If only Tmrpu wasn’t president then, we could have done something like have the feds buy them all and distribute them as needed. And ensure adequate supply beyond that. And… This awful Massachusetts study co‐authored by thread favorite health economist Emily Oster
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Platystemon posted:This awful Massachusetts study co‐authored by thread favorite health economist Emily Oster Imagine taking health advice from an academic version of Malcolm Gladwell who’s backed by right-wing billionaires. You don’t have to imagine it, because tons of people are doing just that!!
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This New York Times article has context.quote:The new guidance emphasizes that good air flow and ventilation in school buildings is a critical component of maintaining a safe environment, and continues to stress multiple layers of preventive behaviors including universal masking, hand washing, cleaning buildings and doing contact tracing, combined with isolation and quarantine. They never learn. quote:In announcing the change, the C.D.C. director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, cited findings from studies in several states. “We are following the science,” she said.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:As a scientist and academic who frequently works in public policy and who has spent that last year and a half working on COVID-19 and meeting research groups to adapt policy at a city, county and state level, and whom is married to an epidemiologist who has literally spent the last year studying and publishing on COVID-19 and who is also on these same policy boards, and who went to graduate school with and am still close friends with people working in the federal response to COVID-19, my advice to you is to not take any advice from a bunch of random people on SomethingAwful.com when it comes to anything related to COVID-19. Stickman posted:Please consider posting more in COVID threads. Be the change and all that. So is working at least 40 hours a week towards 'the change' not enough for you or?
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Duck and Cover posted:I'm going to need a source on this. So during the 2019 fires health officials specifically recommended against wearing a mask indoors for this reason.
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Sanctum posted:I know in California during the 2018 fires we had elderly people dying because they were wearing properly-fitted N95 masks at all times and already suffered from difficulty breathing. Wait, what were they dying of?
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