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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Uh, what is an effective strategy against half mech half airplane flyers that gain 8 evasion every turn and have 400 armor on 1 skull missions? The same thing as anything else in BTA early on: double sensor lock or BAP it, use that ability that adds +2 accuracy, then dump everything into it and close in with pulse or support weapons If you don't have a mortarmech or an lrm carrier you're probably hosed though
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I tried BTA, played 1 mission and deleted it. I liked most of the extra features in isolation, install was a breeze and it only crashed once, but it felt like the gameplay just dragged super hard compared to vanilla. It's maybe more true to table top but I didn't like actually playing it. Like yeah, I get you can use melee, high ground, sensor lock, etc. to make up for all the accuracy nerfs and semi permanent evasion to varying degrees, but it still just felt flatly worse to play.
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Yeah, LAMs are melee-proof until grounded. (I did see a claim that they can be DFAd, once, but I've never seen anyone confirming or denying it.) In RogueTech, you have a selection of weapons/ammo that's more effective as anti-air: anything that ignores evasion pips (pulse lasers, for example), LBX cluster ammo, Vulcan autocannon (only ever seen those as hardpoint weapons, so LAM equipment anyway), anti-air missiles, and Flak-mode artillery. (And if you have arty but no LoS, you can always just toss HE/Inferno indirect at the ground for splash damage). Vulcans also do tandem damage - hits do both armor and internal damage, and there's a bunch of important and fragile innards in a LAM. However, depending on what mod(s) you're using, and where you are in your career, y'all might be screwed. Do remember that those eight evasion pips come at the cost of all that movement, so their accuracy should be impaired. As well, default LAM builds are about as bad as most other default builds - from what I've seen in RT, they're actually worse due to available tonnage. (I usually strip all the weapons from newly-acquired LAMs, armor up, and only then try and give it some offense - half-armored center torso? gently caress you, mecha-industrial complex, I want *survivabilty*.) Based on the description, it's a Wasp - so, 30 tons, light on weapons and armor, but fast and agile. Be happy it's shooting and not doing melee attacks - it'll take self-damage, loss of evasion and lots of stab loss on a charge, but a good charge will usually inflict *stupid* amounts of damage and severe (if not knockdown) stab damage, (A charge attack from my melee-build Screamer will delete hardened/heavy turrets in one go, and rear attacks on mechs tend to destroy engines/center torsos.) 2 lances (one a LAM), turrets, and you're shepherding trainees? My own strategy would be to nope the gently caress out, and send Darius out the airlock to scrape space-barnacles for a while for not advising against that mission. (Actually, I have no qualms about reloading the last save pre-mission, and picking differently.) As for RT LAM stuff, last night I finally found a Mad Cat LAM! As a part of an allied lance I needed to protect.  Who immediately flew off in front of a Heavy Rocket Carrier.  RogueTech Wkiki posted:1x FCS Missile Accuracy HRL 20: oneshot, 20 rockets, 12 damage each AOE Rocket 20: as above, but AOE effect within 40 meters, 6 damage per rocket to all in AOE Tandem Rocket 20: as HRL, but 2 damage + 2 damage to internals per rocket Rocket Pack 20: five salvos, 20 rockets, 6 damage each MRM40: 40 missiles, 5 damage each, 5 salvos of ammo carried Mine Dispenser 15: oneshot, 15 rockets, 2 mines per, mines deploy withing 6 meters of impact, 44% mine detonation chance, 4 mine damage per (can't fire at flying targets) First salvo wiped about half the armor, inflicted 4.5 bars of stability, leaving the LAM to trundle off slowly. Second salvo obliterated it.  The good news is, I did find out that the flashpoint I'm heading for has... unique rewards in the lootbox. Possibly a MAD-ZOP LAM (75 tons), but apparently there's a chance for the Monster - 200 tons, and the only info I can find on it is a tabletop build from 2013 <!> giving it: 6 Defiance 1002 Light Particle Projector Cannons 4 Defiance Hammerfist Gauss Rifles 2 RAMTech 1500Z ER Medium Lasers 1 RAMTech 800P Medium Pulse Laser gently caress only knows if that's accurate. Both of these are coming up as Classified in the wiki, so no details unless I go dredge through JSONs. And apparently even though I have the superheavies disabled, it can still appear.  Kinda want both, now... Also RT news: Jaime Wolf, Salt Lord posted:Updates No longer coming to Nexus No idea for BEX, though - didn't see it listed at the new place, and forgot to check their Discord last night.
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BTA is very firmly for people who got tired of vanilla, then got tired of playing Vanilla Plus with BEXCE. I've played too much Battletech lolquote:In RogueTech, you have a selection of weapons/ammo that's more effective as anti-air: anything that ignores evasion pips (pulse lasers, for example), LBX cluster ammo, Vulcan autocannon (only ever seen those as hardpoint weapons, so LAM equipment anyway), anti-air missiles, and Flak-mode artillery. (And if you have arty but no LoS, you can always just toss HE/Inferno indirect at the ground for splash damage). Vulcans also do tandem damage - hits do both armor and internal damage, and there's a bunch of important and fragile innards in a LAM. That's all in BTA too, except maybe the Vulcans
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Gwaihir posted:Nexus did a thing where users were allowed to re- bundle or save past versions of mods to their Nexus profile or something (not sure the exact details) but it pissed pretty much all the mod authors off. I'm probably dense, but why is this such a big deal? Why would being able to preserve old versions of mods piss off literally everyone?
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RBA Starblade posted:BTA is very firmly for people who got tired of vanilla, then got tired of playing Vanilla Plus with BEXCE. I've played too much Battletech lol I'm in this camp. I got into battletech playing tabletop rules via megamek, so BTA is nice in that I've got some of those options again and god drat I love hitting stuff with artillery and just the sheer variety of stuff on offer. The lams aren't too bad in the low skull missions I've done, one mision had two of them and I just sensor locked and then SRM spammed them until they blew up. Organ Fiend posted:I'm probably dense, but why is this such a big deal? I pulled this from their discord: quote:Full Explanation: Essentially, Nexus Mods is rolling out a new feature called Collections that allow end-users to make modpacks with other users uploaded works. In order to prevent those users from breaking collections by deleting their mods, Nexus is no longer going to allow creators to delete their work for any reason, instead "securely" archiving it (ignoring the fact that finding an archived mod is piss-easy and has already been done). Creators already have limited rights with their work (once it's out there, anyone can do anything with it after all) and this removes one of the most important remaining controls creators have. Additionally, collections are tied closely to Nexus's paid subscription service, which makes collections vastly easier to work with than for free users. The implications are clear: Nexus is trying to monetize creators work without actually supporting creators themselves. This is a very bad move on their part. I cannot in good conscience support Nexus's behavior here and I've seen conversations where the owner of Nexus Mods has doubled down in the face of community backlash. It is clear to me that they are unlikely to change their minds on this and even if they do they've burned their goodwill and are no longer trustworthy. Because of this, I cannot risk leaving BTA somewhere that is disrespecting creators so strongly. So, it is moving to the BTA Wiki, which is owned and maintained by a BTA team member internally, which gives me security in the rights I have to the mod and our work as a team. Carcer fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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How do I get to the BEX discord? that's the one I like.
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Bubbacub posted:Oh wait the BEX discord link is the most recent version. What's the mod that spreads out flashpoints on the map? Its called VXI_FlashpointShift. The description from the mod.json: "Shifts DLC Flashpoints to spread all over the Inner Sphere and changes dialogue to match, includes weightings to increase chance of easier Flashpoints first."
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<crossposted from the TFR Games thread> I've been   Also, I can choose pilots but am locked to 4 LAMs - not my bitchin' birds, but some loadouts I'd never seen before. Enemies are all Ostscouts and Ostwars, allied forces are 3x Stinger LAMs and... a command vehicle? 200 tons. 5 ERPPCs, plus some other stuff. Jumpy. The Monster. Oh hey, two reinforcement drops listed as "kill teams". More Osties, and each drop has a MAD-ZOP. Marauder LAM. Did clear everything - one Marauder dropped from a headshot pilot kill, the other lost a torso and killed the pilot - by my CO went down with a broken arm when his stealthy bird got killed. And no mechs were lootable.  Next part is escorting vehicles, and will likely be as fighty. Apparently it's a 3-part FP, with a MAD-ZOP or (and?) the Monster as possible rewards. Fake edit: yuuuuup, anime as gently caress. https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Destroid_Monster Dammit, if you're going to do this, let me have Kei and Yuri, I'm pretty sure they'd not run perfectly good LAMs in mech-mode only, and I *know* they'd be better at blowing poo poo up. Fake edit 2: yeah, I never watched that particular giant robbit cartoon, so I didn't recognize this stuff immediately. Caught an assortment of "robot animals that join together to make a bigger robot with a team of specific-archetype-teens piloting" ones on Showtime instead. <mutter> Five parts of Marauder LAMs in the first battle, they owe me one of those on top of the lootbox, minimum. <growl> Oh, did I mention it was a 4-skull difficulty fight I took on with two skulls of mechs?
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Ygolonac posted:<crossposted from the TFR Games thread> Please tell me that the pilot of the enemy Marauder LAM was named Khyron. EDIT: ZOP = Zentradi Officers Pod https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Glaug EDIT 2: See the following for all of the OST variants: https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Regult https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Regult_Light_Missile_Carrier https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Regult_Heavy_Missile_Carrier https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Regult_Tactical_Scout Organ Fiend fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Organ Fiend posted:Please tell me that the pilot of the enemy Marauder LAM was named Khyron. I think they were just listed by rank, maybe, even the random "you're all DOOMED!" radio message (text, no voice anything so far) was made by someone unnamed. Two MAD-ZOPs, and I expect at least one in the next fight. Luckily it's not a consecutive deployment, might do some extra jobs while waiting for Smash to heal up. Maybe more refits/reassembly/scrapping, since it looks like I'll only have components from the loot for rest of the FP, and won't really need my own robbits.
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Rogue-O-tech update. So, it's a convoy escort mission. My mechs are all LAMs again, designated Ajax VFH10. (Actual LAMs, not chopper or VTOLs.) ER Med Laser x2, medium pulse of some sort, couple of Pirate ATM launchers with HE (AOE), ECM (Haywire, fucks up movement/cooling/targeting) and standard missile, with the option to switch into Streak mode. Oh, and FASCAM bombs that never got used. Initial enamies are 4x Brboid, which are "Bioroids" I guess - lasers, missiles, AMS and a handheld Clan ER Large Laser - which has a 20% misfire chance, mitigated by gunnery. Said skill apparently fairly low, becase I kept seeing "misfire - pilot injured" results the whole battle. However, AI gonna AI, so they *loved* jumping and alphas, so they were overheating all over the place. On the Brboids were also LAMs, and they actually stayed in flight mode. Until they shut down from overheating. Or fell down from stab loss. Cue "zoom into rear arcs, maul like a grizzly versus a camper hiding in a sleeping bag". Four down, activate convoy, zoom around at sprint to keep evasion while looking for Enemy. Convoy into extract point, enemies drop... and are immediately blocked from LoS on the convoy due to their dropship arriving. Four more Bullshitroids, four more LAMs becoming team target - except now I have 3x APCs and a helicopter shooting at them too. Convoy extracts without even getting shot at. Enemy LAMs "extract" via ejection because panic, heat shutdown and crash, crash because of ammo explosion causing entire mech to glow and die, and crash because legit pilot or mech kill. And again, no mech parts to loot afterwards. Two whole picks, which I used on LAM components (because those are hard to find). Did not get one single Saturday Night Spacegun, and I think I'm cool with that, even though my pilots can tap-rack-bang giant robbit guns just fine. Part 3 tonight - which should be the conclusion - and from the post-mission babble this sounds like it's gonna be *weird*. Did some missions before this part of the flashpoint, to give my commander time to heal. Ended up facing 2x Crosscut loggermechs in two different battles, so now I have extra regular and heavy chainsaws. YANG! Take that pile of extra omnimech arms and hands, and get welding! I want six chainsaw arms on the jumpy Grasshopper! LOL, now I kinda want to make my Waneta, pinnacle of Blakist LAM technology, into a brutal psychopathic melee boat.
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Ygolonac posted:<crossposted from the TFR Games thread> lmao that's pretty good If you weren't aware, Macross is the source of a number of the old mech designs that were licensed rather than original to BT. That and fang of the sun Dougram make up the better part of the classic 3025 roster.
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Nexus introduced the idea of "collections", so user can slap together their own collections of mods. Part of this is now mod creators can't delete things they upload. Also, to some extent collections are paywalled. Which has caused a bit of "trying to monetize our work without supporting us" backlash.
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Sometimes the RNG is kind. Ran across a Cataphract 0X on a consecutive deployment with only 2 salvage, headshot it while aiming for its legs, and was given all three pieces. Makes up for a surprise 4x heavy reinforcement lance destroying the Archer 2S I scrimped and saved for a few missions ago.
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Rogue-O-Tech report - Part 3 of the Derelict flashpoint. Seems simple, destroy the base. Enemies are 3x Fleas, 1x Crab, all with goofy anime names. Base is on top of a hill with good sightlines, but there's 4 turrets - Light LRM, each with 3x LRm launchers, and when they run out of standard ammo, they have Inferno mines. (hey. that's *MY* signature! ) Get close enough, get sensor locked... also get close enough, reinforcment lance spawns - same makup as the first.But hoo-boy, I should get some awesome LAMs or something for this! No. Battle armor. C Rider. Converts into a vehicle for more speed. Model is a lil' red ninjabike, with a red-jumpsuited rider and white full-face helmet. It's got jumpjets, and Harjel, so ATGATT I guess. 5x Clan PA lasers, 5x Clan PA SRMs - SRM2, 2 salvos per. Ooooh, and Boarding Claws for melee, but apparently you lose the ability to sprint after melee attacks, so meh. Fleas were fairly easy, keep sprinting and you'll avoid most of the LRMs. However, that fully-armored Crab kept mauling me. OH NO A TECHNICAL GLITCH GODMODE ENABLED EVERYTHING MURDERED Just because I'd tried and gotten mauled twice, and wanted to see what happened after killing the enemies and buildings... mission over, lootbox time! Got a Robotech Stinger LAM. One of those Blrb LAMs. and a Robotech Ostscout. Meh. So, I used the save editor to give me the Monster and a couple MAD-ZOPs (as parts, due to the way it handles mechs). Rebuilding the Monster was a little spendy, and that's without a bunch of gear I don't have in inventory. Just 30 days. $23 million. I'm going to go back and beat it legit, but now I'm curious as to what the Monster might do in duels...
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Ygolonac posted:Rogue-O-Tech report - Part 3 of the Derelict flashpoint. https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Invid_Scout https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Invid_Soldier https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Cyclone
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4 separate starts in different areas and difficulties in BTA, 4 times I'm facing 3 lances right off the get-go. If this is standard poo poo, this is going to be a real short review.
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If the mission doesn't call for fighting those extra lances, just bail. You still collect a small fee because your contract provided bad Intel.
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The problem is every time they've been between me and my objective or basically hitting my people at the same time. If the mod designers' idea of new and interesting is just turning up the difficulty to Turbofuck, nah not interested
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I just started a new career and did every half skull and one skull mission on the first planet and didn't get more than 6 units in any of them. Seems like just luck? I like the difficulty jacked up but if you hate it just turn off mission control's extra lances for anything under 3 skulls or something. Also, buy a tank or two to start. An LRM carrier is cheap and brings a shitload of firepower against crappy lights.
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GD_American posted:. If the mod designers' idea of new and interesting is just turning up the difficulty to Turbofuck, nah not interested I have news for you about mod design in every game ever
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GD_American posted:4 separate starts in different areas and difficulties in BTA, 4 times I'm facing 3 lances right off the get-go. If this is standard poo poo, this is going to be a real short review. I've had a similar experience. Sometimes the skull ratings are just straight up lies, on purpose. The mod justifies it by saying it's "bad Intel". YMMV on whether you think that's interesting or just dumb. Had a 1 skull battle mission against 3 lances, one of which had 3 heavies. One of the other lances had an LAM, which has permanent 8 evasion and can rear alpha one mech per round. It was so absurd I just had to laugh.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I've had a similar experience. Sometimes the skull ratings are just straight up lies, on purpose. The mod justifies it by saying it's "bad Intel". YMMV on whether you think that's interesting or just dumb. "The skulls are a lie" is literally a vanilla mechanic. Internally the game has 1-10 difficulty levels, and for any given skull rating it can pick +-2 difficulty lances. I'm on mobile ATM but I have posts earlier in the thread about what to edit in mission control to turn down extra enemy lances if it's not your cup of tea. It's just turning off one setting, very easy.
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Organ Fiend posted:https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Invid_Scout Given the profile of the Crab, it was probably a Trooper or Shock Trooper, not a Warrior. https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Invid_Trooper https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Invid_Shocktrooper
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OK so the LRM carrier advice helped a ton. Got me through the first few missions. I hate grinding through poverty so I jacked up the sell price to 0.5.
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Just set contracts to generous, and honestly after you play a bit you can just sell engines. I've got sell price at 15% and its like ~150k a pop for these engines I'm doing nothing with.
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GD_American posted:OK so the LRM carrier advice helped a ton. Got me through the first few missions. It's kinda funny how well it ends up demonstrating "wait you mean instead of this pile of poo poo locust or wasp I could just have a pile of *carriers with 20x the firepower?!?!" as the superior option for most random missions, vs the "Mechs are the best!!!!" In universe attitude.
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2 questions, both for BTA 1. are there any flying vehicles like helicopters that can be used for mobile scouting? There's the LAMs but I find them extremely stupid looking and the constant jet engine sound they make is super annoying 2. I'm having real trouble locating mech salvage for anything over 35 tons. Can you not buy mechs / mech parts on the market? I've tried 6-7 planets and all they have are vehicles and the little battle suits,
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Generally, you have to be friendly+to buy better things like Mechs from stores. You don't have to be all the way to an alliance with the faction, but the group who owns the planet has to like you. The best way is to focus on one faction first to rep up with and Ally with them, because faction stores are amazing, and have a full selection of guaranteed Mechs and gear. I like Steiner to start because heavy gauss owns and magshots are my favorite support weapon. I don't think there are generic scout VTOLS available, but I'd just use a mech there instead. Even without touching LAMs, there's plenty of good very fast 35 tonners to stuff a full tactics build pilot in.
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^^^ Thanks! I hadn't even considered that faction rep plays a part. Cool feature that makes a lot of sense. Does the selection in a given planet's store have anything to do with the Skull rating of the planet? Are bigger, badder mechs more likely to be at 5 skull locations?
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